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DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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What does Steam have to do with if a game is worth playing?

Looks to me like Bethsoft is testing the waters to see if they can do their own in-house store ala Origin to move all their content off Steam (eventually). I wouldn't have a problem with that if Bethsoft intended to run a fully-functional marketplace that would compete directly with Steam, instead of just creating a company store that sold only their games. Same basic problem I have with Origin.

If people don't want Steam to be a monopoly in the online gaming marketplace, they need to compete directly with them. Even GOG is doing it. Why can't EA or Bethsoft do it? Or Blizzard for that matter?
 

Mopetar

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Jan 31, 2011
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Looks to me like Bethsoft is testing the waters to see if they can do their own in-house store ala Origin to move all their content off Steam (eventually). I wouldn't have a problem with that if Bethsoft intended to run a fully-functional marketplace that would compete directly with Steam, instead of just creating a company store that sold only their games. Same basic problem I have with Origin.

If Bethesda’s game platform were anything like their games, no one would use it. They are not good programmers and can’t write solid code worth a damn. Steam wasn't always as good as it is now, but it’s hard to compete with now because it works well.
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
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New Vegas was marked down 40 percent on Steams Thanksgiving sale, but as I recall it debuted in July or August. Not as many people were ticked off.

Also, with the ridiculous amount of negative reviews, I think I could probably wait a whole year to try it.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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If Bethesda’s game platform were anything like their games, no one would use it. They are not good programmers and can’t write solid code worth a damn. Steam wasn't always as good as it is now, but it’s hard to compete with now because it works well.


Valve has done most of the trailblazing, though. Maybe Bethsoft/EA/Blizzard would have problems copying the better parts of the back-end. I think the major publishers that have used Steam previously (and still use it) would have a lot of valuable input should any of the aforementioned publishers decide to go the store route.

Hell Origin is running along just fine now, selling . . . only EA games. And nothing else. Really disappointing.

I'm with the "wait and see" crowd, if Fallout76 is already $40 today, where will it be in 6 months? I can wait.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Less hoops to jump through for some as having to have multiple game accounts can be an issue.
Yes, it's merely due to convenience for me. That said, I do have accounts on good old games and blizzard, but, really hate all the bloatware of bnet, and dislike having to maintain lots of accounts.
 
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ibex333

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Personally, I still find the game fun, due to loot and exploration, but the lack of NPCs really is a huge annoyance. Also, quests are really lame and uninspired.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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Wow, this must be the worst selling fallout in history if its down that cheap in first few week of sales.

Probably not. The old Black Isle games sold in very small quantity compared to what Bethsoft has managed in sales numbers. Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel was the nail in the coffin for the "old" series. It sold like crap.

They should have done "Steam: Early Access" where they could work out their bugs

At least then it would be on Steam, right?
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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At least then it would be on Steam, right?
More importantly, they could say "this game is still under development, of course it's not done yet", when everybody who reviews it says "this game is incomplete, they still haven't added the NPCs."
 

Mopetar

Diamond Member
Jan 31, 2011
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Probably not. The old Black Isle games sold in very small quantity compared to what Bethsoft has managed in sales numbers. Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel was the nail in the coffin for the "old" series. It sold like crap.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people have since bought the original games on Steam or GOG, especially when they go on sale for cheap. It probably doesn't compare to your regular AAA launch, but given how much of a discount Fallout 76 is getting, the sales really could be that poor, where the original game has actually sold more.
 

DrunkenSano

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Most people realize this isn't a brand new game and most people won't pay $60 for a multiplayer DLC to Fallout4. I'll wait until it's $20 and even then may only get it if friends get it.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people have since bought the original games on Steam or GOG, especially when they go on sale for cheap. It probably doesn't compare to your regular AAA launch, but given how much of a discount Fallout 76 is getting, the sales really could be that poor, where the original game has actually sold more.

Near as I can tell, the top-selling pre-Bethsoft Fallout was the original Fallout, with estimated sales of 144k by 2000. Fallout 2 sold less (maybe 100k?) while Fallout Tactics: BoS sold maybe in the range of 12k copies, though it's hard to find data on that. Fallout: BoS apparently didn't sell that well either.

It also looks like the Fallout: Anthology (containing all the old games) has sold another 200k copies through 2018. Compare this to Fallout 3 which sold over 8 million copies and Fallout 4 which apparently holds the record for most copies of a Bethsoft title sold to date (yes, it beat Skyrim). Some are saying Fallout76 is selling maybe 82% 18% of what Fallout4 sold. That still puts Fallout76 ahead of the entire Fallout series pre-Bethsoft, so it's not THAT bad.
 
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EXCellR8

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Game got absolutely smashed in reviews but I'm still having a ton of fun with it both solo and with my buds. Played a few hours last night and found some really nice stuff; swapped a lot of gear.

It's a trade off you see... instead of full single player experience with NPC's and decision making you get to take your friends along. I mean, the chatter between 2 or 3 of my buddies vs. some NPC's that always need my help is typically more enjoyable and entertaining and/or memorable. Having said that this game is more like a Borderlands title than the previous Fallout games where RPG elements were more prevalent. I do miss trying to persuade people to give me higher cap amounts for mundane tasks but you can still find ways to have fun in this game, despite the many flaws.

Almost level 20 and I've seen plenty of players close to and exceeding 100, so it's obvious that the right people are enjoying the game.
 

Mopetar

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Some are saying Fallout76 is selling maybe 82% of what Fallout4 sold.

Did you mean 18%, because I can't see any company deeply discounting their new game so soon if it's only selling 82% of what it's best selling title did.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
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Did you mean 18%, because I can't see any company deeply discounting their new game so soon if it's only selling 82% of what it's best selling title did.

Yeah sorry, I left out the word "less" ha ha. Yeah 18%.
 

Artorias

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They've always relied on the community to fix their games except this time they cant.

This was a long time coming.

Aside from creating good world design Bethesda isn't that competent of a developer, all they've been doing is gutting the Fallout RPG franchise since FO3 and continuing to milk that dated engine for quick cash.

Based on how FO4 turned out and completely ignoring player feedback the next ES is in major trouble.
 
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Borealis7

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Oct 19, 2006
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i've been following the FO76 ShitShow on youtube since the game launched and it really astounds me but i'm also happy the global "gaming community" caught on to the epic failure that this game is.
One major criticism about FO76 is that it is a cash grab orchestrated by financial managers (from Zenimax probably) and basically an "asset flip" of FO4.
and as time goes on more evidence to that is stacking up. the microtransactions for cosmetic items that were free in FO4, the pre-order packages that didnt include the game (??!!), releasing a BETA 3 weeks before launch, and then the refund debacle:

At first, Bethesda announced there were not going to be any refunds whatsoever. Later, they said they were considering offering refunds on PC. Then people started demanding refunds, and they said that people who downloaded the game are not eligible.
but...there are no physical copies of the game! downloading the client is the only way to play it.

and now a lawfirm in DC is jumping on the opportunity to file a class action lawsuit against Bethesda/Zenimax.

this epic disaster will forever be remembered in the history of gaming.
 
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KMFJD

Lifer
Aug 11, 2005
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Just got to level 26 , have been playing mostly solo and having a lot of fun
 

DigDog

Lifer
Jun 3, 2011
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I dont know if you all remember, but i was very critical of F3/F4 when they released. It only looks to me that now that there are no quests or storyline, these faults become evident to everyone.
Sure, it's a F4 asset flip; so? The game was bad already. There is no story?? But obviously, it's a MMO.
I agree that Beth should allow refunds, but people are crying about something that was super-obvious from day 1. As for the buggy-ness, i cant say, i do not have hands-on experience with 76.
 

Borealis7

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Oct 19, 2006
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you don't need hands-on experience, just open YouTube its filled with clips about FO76 bugs.
or watch the AngryJoe review, he outlines everything that's wrong with the game. (i.e. open mic chat, that can't be turned off, from character creation)

that being said, the outrage on Youtube is perhaps hyperbole and exaggerated. maybe 70% of it is sincere outrage, but the everyone and their dog is trying to cash in (get views) on the FO76 fail-train.
 
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