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GoodRevrnd

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No balance/overhaul mods is pretty weak. Bethesda has historically done a horrible job in this area. Although I guess the Fallouts weren't as bad as the Elder Scrolls.
 
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Chaotic42

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I wasn't impressed, but we'll see how it looks at launch. As long as I just put the name "Fallout" out of my mind, I should be able to control my bitterness over what they've done to the franchise.
 

ArenCordial

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Sep 18, 2012
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Fallout to me is all about interesting quests and stories.

Its not base building or pvp.

Sure they say you can play solo, but there is a big difference between playing solo and playing solo being ganked by someone who wants to pvp when I want to quest. Or logging off and getting my base destroyed because I go to work.

I'm not trying to tank interest on this but Bethesda really make it clear just how this game will play before I'll get too excited. Hopefully they will do so soon.
 
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DeathReborn

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to be fair, they killed the paid mods on Steam Workshop about one day after they launched it, because customers complained.

Yet paid mods exist to this day for FO4 and Skyrim, they relaunched them in a subtler way and without any fanfare but with future games it will become more paid, less free. It's all about the money and they want more of it. The paid mods on Steam Workshop was a combination of no QC from Beth/Valve and that "horse armor" issue.

So no they didn't kill it, it died a deserved death despite their wishes and has been frankensteined into their current and future products via other more controlled delivery systems.
 

DigDog

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Jun 3, 2011
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We dont know that it will be a moneygrab MMO yet .. we dont know anything yet, really.
Theres rumours of it having an online component which could be anything from Bethesda sending your cliet a time-limited quest, to having arenas where you can pvp. Lets not panic just yet.
 

EXCellR8

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Ugh, it's like they knew I'd buy the most expensive version if they included a wearable helmet... well played.

As for the game itself, might be fun with a buddy or two. I didn't like the base building aspect of Fallout 4 but as a separate thing it might work better for me. Of course I'd rather a new single player game but considering that I still have to finish the last one and Far Harbor I don't mind the alternative concept.

I agree, let's not freak out yet. And, if it turns out to be a microtransaction factory, don't play it.
 
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pontifex

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Dec 5, 2000
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So it's an online survival game "but you can play it solo". They showed video where the other players can attack you for no reason. so you can play it solo, but be attacked by other players who can grief you?

Also the nuke site thing seems ridiculous. So any player(s) can get the nuke keys and nuke anything they want? I hope this is incredibly difficult to do.
it also seems to ruin the story as fallout is about many years after the nuclear war and you won't be able to build on a site that was hit by a nuke. is that area permanently destroyed or does it return to normal after a certain amount of game time? cool idea, but putting it in this kind of game seems flawed.
 

sswingle

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I remain optimistic that it will play well. He did make a point to say you will be playing with "dozens, not hundreds or thousands" of other people. With a map 4x as big as FO4 thats a nice big area for people to be spread around and not constantly being thrown into a PvP fight.
My concern is what happens if you are doing something quest related and someone launches a nuke in your vicinity.
 

tygeezy

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Aug 28, 2012
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No balance/overhaul mods is pretty weak. Bethesda has historically done a horrible job in this area. Although I guess the Fallouts weren't as bad as the Elder Scrolls.
You can't allow balance or overhaul mods for a game that is online. Now, what im curious about is if this is more like Dying Light or borderlands as far as online goes? So, more of a co-op game that is just fine as a single player game with quests and such, or is this more like rust and day-z where you join a persistent server and there is always the threat of pvp?

The problem I have with survival games is they are soooo boring in the beginning. It takes forever to do anything fun because you can't craft certain items, and you're always hungry, or need to take a crap or something.
 

Feneant2

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And I'm out... this takes 2 of the things I hate the most about gaming and stick them together so I see no way for me to enjoy this. No doubt it'll sells for millions and people will love it but as far as I'm concerned, it's just not Fallout.
 

SteveGrabowski

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Oct 20, 2014
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This game looks like such shit, which kills me since I loved all of the mainline Fallout games (eg 1,2,3,NV,4). Bethesda is dead to me after turning one of the truly great single player story franchises into another crap shooter. Everyone you see now is a real person? You make your own stories? Bullshit, you make the story Bethesda, that's why I would have been paying you $60 (probably more like $90 since I would have bought the season pass too if this was a real Fallout game). That was the most disappointing E3 moment I have ever seen. And after all that talk about how Bethesda was still dedicated to single player gaming.
 
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GoodRevrnd

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Dec 27, 2001
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You can't allow balance or overhaul mods for a game that is online.
Yes I realize that, but mods that changed game mechanics are the actual fun mods. There's nothing particularly interesting about adding 31 new flavors of worple sword, and I can count on one hand the number of quality story mods that have been produced since Oblivion.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Yes I realize that, but mods that changed game mechanics are the actual fun mods. There's nothing particularly interesting about adding 31 new flavors of worple sword, and I can count on one hand the number of quality story mods that have been produced since Oblivion.
Exactly. For me, I find Fallout to be pretty much meh without Modern Firearms. Todd Howard gave an interview today where he spelled it out: No NPCs, no games without other players, no turning off PvP, no quests (other than seeking nuclear launch codes to grief each other.) Give the man his due, he’s straight up honest about it. This is the game he wanted to make, and while I don’t understand it, at least he didn’t try to lead on people like me in the hopes that we might find some element we don’t absolutely hate. It’s a straight up griefer fest with dress-up and decorating micro transactions. At least I now know that I can safely avoid anything Fallout related for at least the next three to seven years.
 
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ArenCordial

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Exactly. For me, I find Fallout to be pretty much meh without Modern Firearms. Todd Howard gave an interview today where he spelled it out: No NPCs, no games without other players, no turning off PvP, no quests (other than seeking nuclear launch codes to grief each other.) Give the man his due, he’s straight up honest about it. This is the game he wanted to make, and while I don’t understand it, at least he didn’t try to lead on people like me in the hopes that we might find some element we don’t absolutely hate. It’s a straight up griefer fest with dress-up and decorating micro transactions. At least I now know that I can safely avoid anything Fallout related for at least the next three to seven years.

Thanks for this. I'm of the same mind. Its sad to think it will probably be a decade before there's a Fallout game I'll have an interest in, considering Starfield and ESVI are due up before a Fallout 5. Still as you say I can respect they are straight with us and at least lets me know this is a game that will have zero appeal to me.
 

GoodRevrnd

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I think Fallout is a super fun environment for that type of game... BUT a massive part of the charm for Fallout is the narrative, characters, and dialogue (less so in the Bethesda games). So as appealing as 76 is for what it is, I think it's gonna feel pretty flat compared to what most people expect.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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This game looks like such shit, which kills me since I loved all of the mainline Fallout games (eg 1,2,3,NV,4). Bethesda is dead to me after turning one of the truly great single player story franchises into another crap shooter. Everyone you see now is a real person? You make your own stories? Bullshit, you make the story Bethesda, that's why I would have been paying you $60 (probably more like $90 since I would have bought the season pass too if this was a real Fallout game). That was the most disappointing E3 moment I have ever seen. And after all that talk about how Bethesda was still dedicated to single player gaming.

It's a very good point:

"YOU make the story!" is merely a euphemism for "We gave up on writing, so go grind some crap and don't bother pretending that there is anything to care about here."
 
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SMOGZINN

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It’s a straight up griefer fest with dress-up and decorating micro transactions. At least I now know that I can safely avoid anything Fallout related for at least the next three to seven years.

Sounds like it is going to be a battle royale game? They are hot right now and I guess Bethesda wants to cash in.
 

DrunkenSano

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Sounds like they are saving a ton of money making Fallout 76. Story mostly gutted, not as much content needed. Just a bit of an update in graphics. Let the online players write the story for you. At this time, it looks like a $20 bargain deal for me before I buy if.
 

Rifter

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Exactly. For me, I find Fallout to be pretty much meh without Modern Firearms. Todd Howard gave an interview today where he spelled it out: No NPCs, no games without other players, no turning off PvP, no quests (other than seeking nuclear launch codes to grief each other.) Give the man his due, he’s straight up honest about it. This is the game he wanted to make, and while I don’t understand it, at least he didn’t try to lead on people like me in the hopes that we might find some element we don’t absolutely hate. It’s a straight up griefer fest with dress-up and decorating micro transactions. At least I now know that I can safely avoid anything Fallout related for at least the next three to seven years.

Yeah this will for sure be the first fallout game i dont purchase. And i hesitate to even call it a fallout game.
 
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GoodRevrnd

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Sounds like they are saving a ton of money making Fallout 76. Story mostly gutted, not as much content needed. Just a bit of an update in graphics. Let the online players write the story for you. At this time, it looks like a $20 bargain deal for me before I buy if.
You know, the write your own story thing would have a place if a dev would actually competently build a sandbox. I've yet to see anyone put the thought and development resources into giving the players the depth of tools needed for good emergent gameplay. A lot of people complain oh these games are a griefer fest... well there's literally nothing else to do. It's either KOS everything, virtual chatroom, or barbie dreamhouse. And frankly why not just play barbie dreamhouse in creative mode where I don't have to grind all the materials? There's never enough environmental challenge to force players to cooperate and too many games let people do everything so they don't need to work together.
 

DaveSimmons

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Todd Howard gave an interview today where he spelled it out: No NPCs, no games without other players, no turning off PvP, no quests (other than seeking nuclear launch codes to grief each other.) Give the man his due, he’s straight up honest about it. This is the game he wanted to make, and while I don’t understand it, at least he didn’t try to lead on people like me in the hopes that we might find some element we don’t absolutely hate. It’s a straight up griefer fest with dress-up and decorating micro transactions. At least I now know that I can safely avoid anything Fallout related for at least the next three to seven years.

Everything I don't want in a Fallout game in one package -- quite the accomplishment.

Even Fallout Tactics had voice acting (R. Lee Ermey!), quests, cutscenes and a real story with the classic "consequences of your choices" ending.

War. War never changes ... until now
 
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Zenoth

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Wait, so... "no games without other players".

So why did he say during the conference that it's playable solo? If there's no game (or 'server') without the presence of at least one other player, and on top of that if PvP is always enabled and free-for-all then not only is proper "group play" impossible on a technical level but solo play effectively does not - actually - exist.

Does anyone have a link to the interview or whatever it was where Todd gave that information? I absolutely need to know if they really lost their mind, or if it was just Todd making a very bad attempt at joking.
 
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