Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Skoorb
The point being, why not, it doesn't matter anyway, it's all just chemicals. A true atheist would never bother with life because it holds no meaning for them. When they are gone their family may cry but their family will die eventually and they will be forgotten and meaningless, as meaningless as an ant in a hill.
Your logic here is invalid. It seems to me that you are implying that in order to place value & meaning on things, there has to be some objective omnipotent/omniscient force called god. This is a big non sequitur. Even without god, for the time that we are alive, we certainly can place localized value & meaning on things and events on Earth (or the universe). Meaning & value can only come from sentient beings, and that is what we are.
Additionally, if there was an omnipotent/omniscient force out there, the events and affairs of Earth would be quite meaningless in comparison to the knowledge/power of that entity. We would be far less than ants in an ant hill. As far as cosmology is concerned, Earth is out in the middle of Bumfuck Nowhere, and our actions here have only the most minuscule effect on other things in the universe. However, what is worse is that quantum mechanics seems to point to a reality that consists of mere waves of probabilities, and of course we consist of this quantum static. Macro events are the culminating result of this static, reflecting the probability distributions thereof.
False.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Yes.ou are implying that in order to place value & meaning on things, there has to be some objective omnipotent/omniscient force called god.
Bees and cats are sentient.Why only sentient? To my cat it's important she sleeps 20 hours/day. To a bee it's important a flower is there.we certainly can place localized value & meaning on things and events on Earth (or the universe). Meaning & value can only come from sentient beings, and that is what we are.
Non-sequitur.Without God you are merely a more evolved version of a bee, so what is important to you is no more relevant than what is important to the bee.
So?100 years from now you're both dead anyway
Why should we believe what any such being allegedly says, even if we were to imagine that it exists?Unless that being specifically said that they weren't, I agree.the events and affairs of Earth would be quite meaningless in comparison to the knowledge/power of that entity.
Probably not but I'm pretty sure that the so called God you worship is nothing more than a bunch of BollocksOriginally posted by: Skoorb
I think perhaps you're not as sure of things as you would like to think you are.Until now I never realized that you were an idiot. Man am I shocked.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Perhaps you aren't sentient. Life has absolutely no meaning at all just as Skoorb said. I think what you've done is try to invent a new religion. What the fuck does it mean that sentience creates meaning. Hog shit if it does. There is no meaning, no meaning at all. That's just ego.
Because they are too stupid to know any better. They are merely a chemical computer going through the motions, reacting upon the variables fed into them. They have some imprint in the code that tells them they ought to continue to live and avoid dying, and so they do. A human, able to think upon their state, has this natural imprint, too, but if they really believe what they say as an atheist they ought to realize how pitiful it makes them to be subservient to it, living for hedonism.So why don't the cat and the bee kill themselves? Why do they bother with life?
Is it not? Is it worth no more than a bee's? Go and play in traffic, when a car hits you and die wen can just say it meant nothing more than when I ran over a squirrel on my bicycle. Get over yourself.It's funny how arrogant humans are. For some reason our existence is so much more important than that of a monkey. Get over yourself.
You should be more than pretty sure. If you're wrong, you made a boo boo, and if you're right being right doesn't matter anyway because you'll be dust soon enough and nothing you touched upon during several decades of life will remember it. In fact, doing anything in this thread or even eating has no long lasting merit, so why bother?Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Probably not but I'm pretty sure that the so called God you worship is nothing more than a bunch of BollocksOriginally posted by: Skoorb
I think perhaps you're not as sure of things as you would like to think you are.Until now I never realized that you were an idiot. Man am I shocked.
Slightly off-topic: We are not a "more evolved version of a bee." Organisms will not eventually become humans if they evolve long enough. Yours is a typically arrogant and desperately wrong theistic belief that humans are "pinnacles" of development to which every organism is inevitably destined with enough time.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Without God you are merely a more evolved version of a bee.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I'd say the best atheists in this thread are the barbarians mentioned earlier in the Sudan. Now those people who propagate that truly have an atheistic view of the world, one in which a human life holds no meaning at all.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Because they are too stupid to know any better. They are merely a chemical computer going through the motions, reacting upon the variables fed into them. They have some imprint in the code that tells them they ought to continue to live and avoid dying, and so they do. A human, able to think upon their state, has this natural imprint, too, but if they really believe what they say as an atheist they ought to realize how pitiful it makes them to be subservient to it, living for hedonism.So why don't the cat and the bee kill themselves? Why do they bother with life?
I'd say the best atheists in this thread are the barbarians mentioned earlier in the Sudan. Now those people who propagate that truly have an atheistic view of the world, one in which a human life holds no meaning at all.Is it not? Is it worth no more than a bee's? Go and play in traffic, when a car hits you and die wen can just say it meant nothing more than when I ran over a squirrel on my bicycle. Get over yourself.It's funny how arrogant humans are. For some reason our existence is so much more important than that of a monkey. Get over yourself.
Minutiae. I'm well aware that evolutionary theory does not hold that everything will end up in the same state, thanks.Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Slightly off-topic: We are not a "more evolved version of a bee." Organisms will not eventually become humans if they evolve long enough. Yours is a typically arrogant and desperately wrong theistic belief that humans are "pinnacles" of development to which every organism is inevitably destined with enough time.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Without God you are merely a more evolved version of a bee.
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Perhaps you aren't sentient. Life has absolutely no meaning at all just as Skoorb said. I think what you've done is try to invent a new religion. What the fuck does it mean that sentience creates meaning. Hog shit if it does. There is no meaning, no meaning at all. That's just ego.
Sentience doesn't create objective meaning, only localized and subjective self-created meaning. Music may have meaning to me, but not to the guy down the street etc.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
You should be more than pretty sure. If you're wrong, you made a boo boo, and if you're right being right doesn't matter anyway because you'll be dust soon enough and nothing you touched upon during several decades of life will remember it. In fact, doing anything in this thread or even eating has no long lasting merit, so why bother?
Holy shit you did not just submit Pascal's wager, did you? You are an idiot.Originally posted by: Skoorb
You should be more than pretty sure. If you're wrong, you made a boo boo, and if you're right being right doesn't matter anyway because you'll be dust soon enough and nothing you touched upon during several decades of life will remember it.
Because I want to. I don't need someone else to validate my desires. Obviously you are less capable and independent.In fact, doing anything in this thread or even eating has no long lasting merit, so why bother?
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Because they are too stupid to know any better. They are merely a chemical computer going through the motions, reacting upon the variables fed into them. They have some imprint in the code that tells them they ought to continue to live and avoid dying, and so they do. A human, able to think upon their state, has this natural imprint, too, but if they really believe what they say as an atheist they ought to realize how pitiful it makes them to be subservient to it, living for hedonism.So why don't the cat and the bee kill themselves? Why do they bother with life?
I'd say the best atheists in this thread are the barbarians mentioned earlier in the Sudan. Now those people who propagate that truly have an atheistic view of the world, one in which a human life holds no meaning at all.Is it not? Is it worth no more than a bee's? Go and play in traffic, when a car hits you and die wen can just say it meant nothing more than when I ran over a squirrel on my bicycle. Get over yourself.It's funny how arrogant humans are. For some reason our existence is so much more important than that of a monkey. Get over yourself.
It doesnt seem you were aware of it when you said the opposite. Try thinking before you post.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Minutiae. I'm well aware that evolutionary theory does not hold that everything will end up in the same state, thanks.Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Slightly off-topic: We are not a "more evolved version of a bee." Organisms will not eventually become humans if they evolve long enough. Yours is a typically arrogant and desperately wrong theistic belief that humans are "pinnacles" of development to which every organism is inevitably destined with enough time.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Without God you are merely a more evolved version of a bee.
From the guy who runs up $100-200/month in overdraft fees, I'll take this with a grain of salt.Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Because they are too stupid to know any better. They are merely a chemical computer going through the motions, reacting upon the variables fed into them. They have some imprint in the code that tells them they ought to continue to live and avoid dying, and so they do. A human, able to think upon their state, has this natural imprint, too, but if they really believe what they say as an atheist they ought to realize how pitiful it makes them to be subservient to it, living for hedonism.So why don't the cat and the bee kill themselves? Why do they bother with life?
I'd say the best atheists in this thread are the barbarians mentioned earlier in the Sudan. Now those people who propagate that truly have an atheistic view of the world, one in which a human life holds no meaning at all.Is it not? Is it worth no more than a bee's? Go and play in traffic, when a car hits you and die wen can just say it meant nothing more than when I ran over a squirrel on my bicycle. Get over yourself.It's funny how arrogant humans are. For some reason our existence is so much more important than that of a monkey. Get over yourself.
hopefully this thread shows the rest of the forum just how stupid you are.
Pretty pathetic that you need an imaginary god to justify your own existence.
Fuck it, I'm gonna go kill myself now because some whackjob says I have no purpose Buawhahahaha.Originally posted by: Skoorb
You should be more than pretty sure. If you're wrong, you made a boo boo, and if you're right being right doesn't matter anyway because you'll be dust soon enough and nothing you touched upon during several decades of life will remember it. In fact, doing anything in this thread or even eating has no long lasting merit, so why bother?Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Probably not but I'm pretty sure that the so called God you worship is nothing more than a bunch of BollocksOriginally posted by: Skoorb
I think perhaps you're not as sure of things as you would like to think you are.Until now I never realized that you were an idiot. Man am I shocked.
Originally posted by: Skoorb
From the guy who runs up $100-200/month in overdraft fees, I'll take this with a grain of salt.Originally posted by: miketheidiot
hopefully this thread shows the rest of the forum just how stupid you are.
Pretty pathetic that you need an imaginary god to justify your own existence.
It's no surprise why so many people avoid these threads. At least so far the professed atheists have been the least tolerant...
Why should we tolerate claims that are demonstrably false?Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's no surprise why so many people avoid these threads. At least so far the professed atheists have been the least tolerant...
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Because they are too stupid to know any better. They are merely a chemical computer going through the motions, reacting upon the variables fed into them. They have some imprint in the code that tells them they ought to continue to live and avoid dying, and so they do. A human, able to think upon their state, has this natural imprint, too, but if they really believe what they say as an atheist they ought to realize how pitiful it makes them to be subservient to it, living for hedonism.So why don't the cat and the bee kill themselves? Why do they bother with life?
I'd say the best atheists in this thread are the barbarians mentioned earlier in the Sudan. Now those people who propagate that truly have an atheistic view of the world, one in which a human life holds no meaning at all.Is it not? Is it worth no more than a bee's? Go and play in traffic, when a car hits you and die wen can just say it meant nothing more than when I ran over a squirrel on my bicycle. Get over yourself.It's funny how arrogant humans are. For some reason our existence is so much more important than that of a monkey. Get over yourself.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Ah, I see, sentience creates the illusion of meaning and everything is relative. Then I suppose you won't mind those who create the illusion of God and create thereby for themselves, absolute truth. Their illusion should surely be just as good as yours, no?
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Why should we tolerate claims that are demonstrably false?Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's no surprise why so many people avoid these threads. At least so far the professed atheists have been the least tolerant...
Originally posted by: Skoorb
From the guy who runs up $100-200/month in overdraft fees, I'll take this with a grain of salt.Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Because they are too stupid to know any better. They are merely a chemical computer going through the motions, reacting upon the variables fed into them. They have some imprint in the code that tells them they ought to continue to live and avoid dying, and so they do. A human, able to think upon their state, has this natural imprint, too, but if they really believe what they say as an atheist they ought to realize how pitiful it makes them to be subservient to it, living for hedonism.So why don't the cat and the bee kill themselves? Why do they bother with life?
I'd say the best atheists in this thread are the barbarians mentioned earlier in the Sudan. Now those people who propagate that truly have an atheistic view of the world, one in which a human life holds no meaning at all.Is it not? Is it worth no more than a bee's? Go and play in traffic, when a car hits you and die wen can just say it meant nothing more than when I ran over a squirrel on my bicycle. Get over yourself.It's funny how arrogant humans are. For some reason our existence is so much more important than that of a monkey. Get over yourself.
hopefully this thread shows the rest of the forum just how stupid you are.
Pretty pathetic that you need an imaginary god to justify your own existence.
It's no surprise why so many people avoid these threads. At least so far the professed atheists have been the least tolerant...
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt
Why should we tolerate claims that are demonstrably false?Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's no surprise why so many people avoid these threads. At least so far the professed atheists have been the least tolerant...
Why would we not. They are meaningless.
I never said you have no purpose; your reading comprehension needs a little work.Fuck it, I'm gonna go kill myself now because some whackjob says I have no purpose Buawhahahaha.