LunarRay
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Moonbeam said
"I often think I killed God because He was killing me."
In your mind you confuse the road with the objective... or the notion of someone else's God notion forced upon you... You and only you are you...
The approach to finding your God... belief as it were, may have been the result of the conditions you found yourself in as you begun the quest to find reality... you simply discarded someone else's notions and sought your own... I think that is human. To each the approach is different or very similar but it is based on lots of stuff that is totally individual... I think...
I'm quite at ease with my belief cuz it is mine...
I think the place I came from was simply too dark to contain a faith when challenged by the pain I saw that darkness produce. The God question for me was a matter of life and death. I descended into a black cave on a rope that could not bear my weight. It just wouldn't go up in the sky. I tried to cross the abyss on a broken bridge. I wanted to bring along a million tons of cabbage. I wanted there to be meaning. I was the deaf arguing with the dumb instead of the blind man carrying a sighted man with no legs. Like an arrow shot too hastily from a bow, I didn't fly very far.
"When one door closes another may be opening."
"New organs of perception appear with need. Oh man, increase your need." Sufi sayings.
I see the existence of God as having two impacts on people... One occurs when a person is no longer contained in their human shell and the other is from birth until death. The former is simple enough and I expect for each a similar event. For the latter I sorta see it as like a Communistic scenario. 'To each according to their needs and from each according to their ability' but that bit is internal to the individual and don't have any divine intervention or miracle or anything... it is the person who has the need and A solution is before them. A mind in turmoil has much work to do but the reward (in this existence) is great... Someone like me who simply discarded what aspects or constraints or demands that people like Popes and Priests etc. put on the faith result in much less of a change or state of utopia...
And I rather suspect that folks who have not one bit of need for the existence of God reject that notion and move on. It is all about the human mind and what that individual mind via what ever conditions exist therein needs or is predisposed to need that ultimately seeks what it needs until sated..
The Sufi sayings are lines of hope... as I see it... Never give up if you find you need then search. You will be given (you already have it but 'given' removes the doubt that it exists or will) the means to the end.
I imagine there exist minds so out of sync chemically or functional aspects so disorganized that the process of getting that mind to any reasonable sentient state is best left to the mind professionals who the person can accept as the organizer but also can provide the approach to the end objective regardless of what that may be. It seems to me... IT has to make sense to the mind of the person for IT to have viability...These folks search for that organizer sometimes all their life... some find them in seemingly divinely controlled situations... You seem to depict you as having been subject to this scenario...
In my mind it is like settled law... all this God exists or don't stuff... I know that folks who have no need to know a God exists don't and they will argue their case based on their mind's rationalization. They will scoff at the notion that anyone could believe God exists cuz it just ain't logical... hehehehehheheeh To them..
Science trying to determine the action of 'heavenly' bodies saw that dang... this is doing this and should do that... regarding gravity... So they added stuff they couldn't see... Dark Energy and matter... Yeah.. that does it... We can't see it but it must be there... Just like God.. I guess...