On Atheism vs. Christianity

[Modelworks]

This site explains the views better than I think anyone here has:
http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Edit: I asked a nun who taught a class I was in: How tall was Jesus?. She quickly answered "Jesus was 6' tall exactly AND no one will ever be exactly 6' tall... he was unique."

Wouldn't it be 6 cubits tall?

Edit: BTW 6 cubits would be about 9'

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
This site explains the views better than I think anyone here has:
http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/

Not a bad site, but all of its listed arguments for the existence of god are logically invalid.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Modelworks
This site explains the views better than I think anyone here has:
http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/

Not a bad site, but all of its listed arguments for the existence of god are logically invalid.

yep.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
The thing many people miss is that nowhere does God claim to be omnipotent or perfect. Those are all titles man gave to him. I think anyone who reads the bible objectively can see that a being who knew everything was going to happen wouldn't bother to have created man in the first place . If he knew Lucifer would rebel he would have just wiped him out before creating man. I think the church has put the slant on things to make it seem like God is all knowing to keep control. And so the bible ends with the outcome the church would like it to be rather than what it will be. The church and the way they control things is the reason I do not believe the book of revelations should be in the bible. Anyone who researches where the book came from can see that it is not in line with the rest of what the bible teaches.

I read the bible, but any events in it that are written to have taken place or are to take place after the death of Christ I do not believe. I find it silly that things like the mark of the beast, rapture, etc were so unimportant that rather than Christ himself telling us about them, he left some nut on an island to write about them.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." ~Galileo Galelei

 

[Schmide]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
This site explains the views better than I think anyone here has:
http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/

I got a little confused in the Arguments for Atheism. Atheists have nothing to prove. Literally by definition.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
This site explains the views better than I think anyone here has:
http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/

Well, geese. It don't have the 'Imprimatur' so how can us Catholics read that. It might be filled with stuff that goes against Catholic doctrine. They could have gotten a bishop to sign off on it (only two were over ridden to my knowledge) and we'd be able to see what God is all about as they see it. We'll have to stay in the dark regarding that site, I guess. Besides who knows better than the Pope.
You see, once you become attached to a particular philosophy you get sorta brain washed but not in a bad way but in their way. Each here in their own way seeks to explain, define, defend and examine God or the lack thereof.
It is not at all about what others say but, rather, what we as individuals know is real, truth and complete.
I think.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A omniscent god and free will is a contradiction, if what will happen is foretold then you have only the choice that is already chosen.

Omnipotency is another problem since it means that god can in fact do whatever he wants and as i say to my men in my first speech after they come under my command, to stand by while evil takes its course is as bad as being the one who commits the evil acts.

So either God is evil and free will does not exist or God is not perfect (a perfect being requires Omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscense).

I'm sure holy rollers have a way to explain away reality even in this case, but if you need to... think about it.

That is NOT to say i look down on people with faith, if it helps you through the day, more power to you.

And for the record, I don't look down on folks who get through the day without faith in a God.
I don't know why we've decided to assign all this Omni... stuff but assume it goes along with what we need God to be in order for him to be God. At the same time what is all this logic being applied to a God who you don't believe exists and no one can prove does? Seems a defense to a position that justifies an unbelief. I prefer to simply say that God is what ever he is or wants to be and the folks who wrote the stories about him and about the Christ used terms to inspire. I presume they had no editors to counsel them but they did have an intended audience. I have no idea who wrote the last book of the new testament and doubt anyone knows for sure but there it is.
I suppose this free will stuff comes about because anyone can tell folks do evil stuff so.. it must exist. God created the universe maybe others too and if he did he must be beyond belief in the power he has... he must be.... Omnipotent and all the other ones.. heck, over 8 feet tall probably.

Edit: I asked a nun who taught a class I was in: How tall was Jesus?. She quickly answered "Jesus was 6' tall exactly AND no one will ever be exactly 6' tall... he was unique." I've no idea where that came from and it was really a question to lead into another question.. which was: Why do you suppose they'd have measured him. No where does it indicate he was exactly any height?... etc.. (I was a wise ass)
Why would she not say simply "I've no idea." I somehow knew she was compelled to give an answer and one she had heard or read or made up... but I knew I'd get some kind of height as a response.

Hehehe, You have no idea...............Hahahahhahaha

She saw you coming a mile away!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: Modelworks
The thing many people miss is that nowhere does God claim to be omnipotent or perfect. Those are all titles man gave to him. I think anyone who reads the bible objectively can see that a being who knew everything was going to happen wouldn't bother to have created man in the first place . If he knew Lucifer would rebel he would have just wiped him out before creating man. I think the church has put the slant on things to make it seem like God is all knowing to keep control. And so the bible ends with the outcome the church would like it to be rather than what it will be. The church and the way they control things is the reason I do not believe the book of revelations should be in the bible. Anyone who researches where the book came from can see that it is not in line with the rest of what the bible teaches.

I read the bible, but any events in it that are written to have taken place or are to take place after the death of Christ I do not believe. I find it silly that things like the mark of the beast, rapture, etc were so unimportant that rather than Christ himself telling us about them, he left some nut on an island to write about them.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." ~Galileo Galelei

Exactly and their use isn't to prove or disprove the existence of God. God can neither be proved or disproved. A logical person does not bring logic to that question.

God is know by entering a God conscious state, if such a thing is possible. You will know if you have entered such a state, wouldn't you think.

You can never experience the conscious state of another person, only your own so you have a 1 in 5 billion or so chance of knowing all the states possible to all people.

 

[Hajpoj]

There's only happy people and unhappy people.

The unhappy are the ones with their mouths wide open, "Christians" & "Atheists" are comical secondary labels.

If your mouth has something to release, you're not happy. When you release yourself into another mouth, THEN you are happy!!!!

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

You can never experience the conscious state of another person, only your own so you have a 1 in 5 billion or so chance of knowing all the states possible to all people.

Say what?

 

[blahblah99]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: actuarial

Originally posted by: Atreus21
The purpose of this topic is to point out the fallacy I think is inherent in challenging Christians on the basis that pain implies something meaner than a loving God.

It seems to me that pain and pleasure must play by the same rules. That is, if pleasure is part of evolution, then pain must be too. Yet many atheists only question the significance of pain, and typically ignore pleasure.

In other words, if pain is proof that God, even if he exists, is not a nice guy, then what is pleasure proof of?

Again, this is not so much a discussion seeking to establish God's existence. It's meant to debunk the Pain argument. (Hey, at least I'm honest.) Ultimately, I don't think pain or pleasure can be used to establish anything conclusively indicating God's existence or non-existence.

You're missing the point. Why would pain and pleasure play by the same rules in front of a BENEVOLENT god? The word benevolent is one sided. If you want to claim god is indifferent, then I'd be more inclined to humour your thought experiment (which is what I consider religion).

Pain/pleasure cannot be used to establish anything conclusive with relation to an existence of a god. It can be used to debunk the dogma which surrounds the belief that if a god exists they are all powerful, all knowing, and benevolent.

Because a benevolent God, as Christians see Him, is seen as a father-figure. A father causes his children both pain and pleasure, all with the purpose of helping them grow into what he wants them to become, and all while loving them.

Only you cause pain and pleasures to yourself. Others just simply facilitate those feelings.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A omniscent god and free will is a contradiction, if what will happen is foretold then you have only the choice that is already chosen.

Omnipotency is another problem since it means that god can in fact do whatever he wants and as i say to my men in my first speech after they come under my command, to stand by while evil takes its course is as bad as being the one who commits the evil acts.

So either God is evil and free will does not exist or God is not perfect (a perfect being requires Omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscense).

I'm sure holy rollers have a way to explain away reality even in this case, but if you need to... think about it.

That is NOT to say i look down on people with faith, if it helps you through the day, more power to you.

And for the record, I don't look down on folks who get through the day without faith in a God.
I don't know why we've decided to assign all this Omni... stuff but assume it goes along with what we need God to be in order for him to be God. At the same time what is all this logic being applied to a God who you don't believe exists and no one can prove does? Seems a defense to a position that justifies an unbelief. I prefer to simply say that God is what ever he is or wants to be and the folks who wrote the stories about him and about the Christ used terms to inspire. I presume they had no editors to counsel them but they did have an intended audience. I have no idea who wrote the last book of the new testament and doubt anyone knows for sure but there it is.
I suppose this free will stuff comes about because anyone can tell folks do evil stuff so.. it must exist. God created the universe maybe others too and if he did he must be beyond belief in the power he has... he must be.... Omnipotent and all the other ones.. heck, over 8 feet tall probably.

Edit: I asked a nun who taught a class I was in: How tall was Jesus?. She quickly answered "Jesus was 6' tall exactly AND no one will ever be exactly 6' tall... he was unique." I've no idea where that came from and it was really a question to lead into another question.. which was: Why do you suppose they'd have measured him. No where does it indicate he was exactly any height?... etc.. (I was a wise ass)
Why would she not say simply "I've no idea." I somehow knew she was compelled to give an answer and one she had heard or read or made up... but I knew I'd get some kind of height as a response.

If personal faith was the standard i really couldn't care less, the problem is that there are people who want others to adhere to rules set by religion whether they want to or not, they use the perfection of God as an argument to do so.

I'm not only talking about the UK but also people like Karzai in Afghanistan, these ideas are several millenia old and are used to make women slaves in the name of God, whichever god you prefer and there are people arguing that it should be law that the man is above the woman as it says in the bible or koran or whatever archaic laws they want to refer to that were set forth by an all mighty perfect supernatural being.

I usually like your posts, you've got a lot of good information when it comes to laws and usually you have common sense, that is what i am talking about, good people like yourself just blow your common sense away when it comes to God.

I honestly think it's fucking pathetic that you have to give up your brain and usual sharpness of your mind to accept something you could not accept if you had actually used your brain.

I don't know if that offends you, if it does, tough tits, this is a religion thread and if you put forth an argument devoid of any kind of sense i'll fucking tell you about it.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A omniscent god and free will is a contradiction, if what will happen is foretold then you have only the choice that is already chosen.

Omnipotency is another problem since it means that god can in fact do whatever he wants and as i say to my men in my first speech after they come under my command, to stand by while evil takes its course is as bad as being the one who commits the evil acts.

So either God is evil and free will does not exist or God is not perfect (a perfect being requires Omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscense).

I'm sure holy rollers have a way to explain away reality even in this case, but if you need to... think about it.

That is NOT to say i look down on people with faith, if it helps you through the day, more power to you.

And for the record, I don't look down on folks who get through the day without faith in a God.
I don't know why we've decided to assign all this Omni... stuff but assume it goes along with what we need God to be in order for him to be God. At the same time what is all this logic being applied to a God who you don't believe exists and no one can prove does? Seems a defense to a position that justifies an unbelief. I prefer to simply say that God is what ever he is or wants to be and the folks who wrote the stories about him and about the Christ used terms to inspire. I presume they had no editors to counsel them but they did have an intended audience. I have no idea who wrote the last book of the new testament and doubt anyone knows for sure but there it is.
I suppose this free will stuff comes about because anyone can tell folks do evil stuff so.. it must exist. God created the universe maybe others too and if he did he must be beyond belief in the power he has... he must be.... Omnipotent and all the other ones.. heck, over 8 feet tall probably.

Edit: I asked a nun who taught a class I was in: How tall was Jesus?. She quickly answered "Jesus was 6' tall exactly AND no one will ever be exactly 6' tall... he was unique." I've no idea where that came from and it was really a question to lead into another question.. which was: Why do you suppose they'd have measured him. No where does it indicate he was exactly any height?... etc.. (I was a wise ass)
Why would she not say simply "I've no idea." I somehow knew she was compelled to give an answer and one she had heard or read or made up... but I knew I'd get some kind of height as a response.

Hehehe, You have no idea...............Hahahahhahaha

She saw you coming a mile away!

So you assume, but i'd say you are wrong, those kind of people who claim to have knowledge of God are all making him up in their own minds, they know the exact specs according to their own imaginations.

But you wouldn't understand things like rationality or logic, nor would you understand concepts like pain and reality, you pretend to be wise but you're not, the walking around the issue stunt you pull every single time you answer someone is getting mighty old and the "defeat them with a post so long and filled with nothing what so ever" schtick is even older by now.

So why don't you just stick to the fucking subject and answer in a consise way instead of dancing around like a fucking squirrel on meth? Too advanced for your bleak mind?

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Schmide

Originally posted by: Modelworks
This site explains the views better than I think anyone here has:
http://www.philosophyofreligion.info/

I got a little confused in the Arguments for Atheism. Atheists have nothing to prove. Literally by definition.

Most Christians are incapable of understanding that. They lost the ability to understand that faith is not synonymous with fact. So in order to be an atheist you have to "disbelieve" there is no God, they don't accept "lack of belief".

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
So why don't you just stick to the fucking subject and answer in a consise way instead of dancing around like a fucking squirrel on meth? Too advanced for your bleak mind?

I do not know what the spirit of a philosopher could more wish to be than a good dancer. For the dance is his ideal, also his fine art, finally also the only kind of piety he knows, his ''divine service.''
-Nietzche

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
snip

So you assume, but i'd say you are wrong, those kind of people who claim to have knowledge of God are all making him up in their own minds, they know the exact specs according to their own imaginations.

But you wouldn't understand things like rationality or logic, nor would you understand concepts like pain and reality, you pretend to be wise but you're not, the walking around the issue stunt you pull every single time you answer someone is getting mighty old and the "defeat them with a post so long and filled with nothing what so ever" schtick is even older by now.

So why don't you just stick to the fucking subject and answer in a consise way instead of dancing around like a fucking squirrel on meth? Too advanced for your bleak mind?

:thumbsup:

I agree the dude's schtick is getting old by now.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A omniscent god and free will is a contradiction, if what will happen is foretold then you have only the choice that is already chosen.

Omnipotency is another problem since it means that god can in fact do whatever he wants and as i say to my men in my first speech after they come under my command, to stand by while evil takes its course is as bad as being the one who commits the evil acts.

So either God is evil and free will does not exist or God is not perfect (a perfect being requires Omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscense).

I'm sure holy rollers have a way to explain away reality even in this case, but if you need to... think about it.

That is NOT to say i look down on people with faith, if it helps you through the day, more power to you.

And for the record, I don't look down on folks who get through the day without faith in a God.
I don't know why we've decided to assign all this Omni... stuff but assume it goes along with what we need God to be in order for him to be God. At the same time what is all this logic being applied to a God who you don't believe exists and no one can prove does? Seems a defense to a position that justifies an unbelief. I prefer to simply say that God is what ever he is or wants to be and the folks who wrote the stories about him and about the Christ used terms to inspire. I presume they had no editors to counsel them but they did have an intended audience. I have no idea who wrote the last book of the new testament and doubt anyone knows for sure but there it is.
I suppose this free will stuff comes about because anyone can tell folks do evil stuff so.. it must exist. God created the universe maybe others too and if he did he must be beyond belief in the power he has... he must be.... Omnipotent and all the other ones.. heck, over 8 feet tall probably.

Edit: I asked a nun who taught a class I was in: How tall was Jesus?. She quickly answered "Jesus was 6' tall exactly AND no one will ever be exactly 6' tall... he was unique." I've no idea where that came from and it was really a question to lead into another question.. which was: Why do you suppose they'd have measured him. No where does it indicate he was exactly any height?... etc.. (I was a wise ass)
Why would she not say simply "I've no idea." I somehow knew she was compelled to give an answer and one she had heard or read or made up... but I knew I'd get some kind of height as a response.

If personal faith was the standard i really couldn't care less, the problem is that there are people who want others to adhere to rules set by religion whether they want to or not, they use the perfection of God as an argument to do so.

I'm not only talking about the UK but also people like Karzai in Afghanistan, these ideas are several millenia old and are used to make women slaves in the name of God, whichever god you prefer and there are people arguing that it should be law that the man is above the woman as it says in the bible or koran or whatever archaic laws they want to refer to that were set forth by an all mighty perfect supernatural being.

I usually like your posts, you've got a lot of good information when it comes to laws and usually you have common sense, that is what i am talking about, good people like yourself just blow your common sense away when it comes to God.

I honestly think it's fucking pathetic that you have to give up your brain and usual sharpness of your mind to accept something you could not accept if you had actually used your brain.

I don't know if that offends you, if it does, tough tits, this is a religion thread and if you put forth an argument devoid of any kind of sense i'll fucking tell you about it.

John, I don't disagree at all. My point is simply that a relationship with God or the absence of one is completely unique to the individual. The folks in Afghanistan are no different than the ones in the Vatican with regard to their 'holding the flock together'. The motives may be very similar in some respects but the resulting outcome is beyond the beyonds in my opinion. I don't much care for any human organization of God nor the folks who accept a God putting that 'trip' on the next person unless that person has some interest and asks.
I've my own reasons for what I take on faith and what I need some proof of. My reasons are based on how my brain and mind interact with my universe and I expect most others have the same process with differing results.
As you indicate above regarding my use of my brain to accept what if I did use my brain I'd not accept is from your mind and I accept without question that is your logical conclusion with out offense. I've tried to indicate that we are all different to some degree and you didn't get the God gene and I did. I'm sure there is some other aspects of our life that differ greatly as well and for the same reason. That is my point, actually. I accept a God cuz I can (I could reject that notion if I wanted, I suppose) and you don't cuz you can't. It probably has to do with how our brain function enables our minds to think as we do.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
A omniscent god and free will is a contradiction, if what will happen is foretold then you have only the choice that is already chosen.

Omnipotency is another problem since it means that god can in fact do whatever he wants and as i say to my men in my first speech after they come under my command, to stand by while evil takes its course is as bad as being the one who commits the evil acts.

So either God is evil and free will does not exist or God is not perfect (a perfect being requires Omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscense).

I'm sure holy rollers have a way to explain away reality even in this case, but if you need to... think about it.

That is NOT to say i look down on people with faith, if it helps you through the day, more power to you.

And for the record, I don't look down on folks who get through the day without faith in a God.
I don't know why we've decided to assign all this Omni... stuff but assume it goes along with what we need God to be in order for him to be God. At the same time what is all this logic being applied to a God who you don't believe exists and no one can prove does? Seems a defense to a position that justifies an unbelief. I prefer to simply say that God is what ever he is or wants to be and the folks who wrote the stories about him and about the Christ used terms to inspire. I presume they had no editors to counsel them but they did have an intended audience. I have no idea who wrote the last book of the new testament and doubt anyone knows for sure but there it is.
I suppose this free will stuff comes about because anyone can tell folks do evil stuff so.. it must exist. God created the universe maybe others too and if he did he must be beyond belief in the power he has... he must be.... Omnipotent and all the other ones.. heck, over 8 feet tall probably.

Edit: I asked a nun who taught a class I was in: How tall was Jesus?. She quickly answered "Jesus was 6' tall exactly AND no one will ever be exactly 6' tall... he was unique." I've no idea where that came from and it was really a question to lead into another question.. which was: Why do you suppose they'd have measured him. No where does it indicate he was exactly any height?... etc.. (I was a wise ass)
Why would she not say simply "I've no idea." I somehow knew she was compelled to give an answer and one she had heard or read or made up... but I knew I'd get some kind of height as a response.

Hehehe, You have no idea...............Hahahahhahaha

She saw you coming a mile away!

I don't know if I've ever mentioned that until somewhat recently I assumed it was true that men had one less rib than woman. Proof that Adam gave up a rib to enable Eve. In fact, I think it was on 'Vent' while playing WoW that I mentioned it a month ago. I had been told that as a youth and carried that tidbit of information with me. I asked my MD who sort of just looked at me but didn't answer. I presume that meant that boys and girls both have (normally) the same number of ribs..

Edit: JoS's 'Squirrel on Meth' was quite funny, although I sense a bit of anger there. Folks don't see always beyond what is written or interpret it in a manner other than was intended. We know each other so the context is understood by me but not everyone, I suspect. I sometimes feel like a snail on valium trying to convey a thought or understand what Nemesis1 meant.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: MoonbeamHehehe, You have no idea...............Hahahahhahaha

She saw you coming a mile away!

So you assume, but i'd say you are wrong, those kind of people who claim to have knowledge of God are all making him up in their own minds, they know the exact specs according to their own imaginations.

But you wouldn't understand things like rationality or logic, nor would you understand concepts like pain and reality, you pretend to be wise but you're not, the walking around the issue stunt you pull every single time you answer someone is getting mighty old and the "defeat them with a post so long and filled with nothing what so ever" schtick is even older by now.

So why don't you just stick to the fucking subject and answer in a consise way instead of dancing around like a fucking squirrel on meth? Too advanced for your bleak mind?

Don't be too hard on Moonbeam. He means well, but you have to realize when he's reached his limit. When I try to reason with him, but it becomes clear that he's reached his limit ("squirrel on meth" is a pretty good description), I just stop interacting with him, as I did earlier in this thread.

 

[Moonbeam]

JoS: So you assume, but i'd say you are wrong, those kind of people who claim to have knowledge of God are all making him up in their own minds, they know the exact specs according to their own imaginations.

M: You wouldn't understand things like nun experience and logic nor would you understand joy and reality. You pretend to be wise but you're just loud and obnoxious, walking around strutting and shouting obscenities and vulgar insults like the big asshole that you are. Your insulting lout mouthed bull shit gets old and tiresome, but then you're probably to stupid to notice. Shut the fuck up you fat lipped imbecile.

Now that we have the proper kisses and hugs out of the way, I suppose I can waste some time explaining that what you saw in that nun you saw because you are dense and not subtle, stereotyping and ignorant of of higher dimensional matters. You saw what you can see, not what a far deeper person like me is capable of interpreting. You see, LR is a wise ass of a well known type to us religious savants like me and nuns. He asked a factual statistical question about something that can only be approached by faith. He wanted to measure God with logic and so what that nun did was slap him in his reason by providing an absurd answer, 6 ft. exactly to his technical question. You want to ask me a meaningless question, my dear boy, then here is your meaning less answer. She was not expressing some made up notion of what God is, but saving LR from his absurdity. She has no idea how tall Jesus was but she knew how to stop his mentality cold. You want to measure God, fine, 6 feet exactly and like no other. The universe is still laughing, I am sure. So put that in you pipe and smoke it, you dumb asshole. Hahahahhahahaha!


JoS: But you wouldn't understand things like rationality or logic, nor would you understand concepts like pain and reality, you pretend to be wise but you're not, the walking around the issue stunt you pull every single time you answer someone is getting mighty old and the "defeat them with a post so long and filled with nothing what so ever" schtick is even older by now.

M: You are a stupid man in a a war zone, filled with stress and anxiety while I am safe, sort of, far away. You are pumped up on what you experience, like a greedy dog, and have no sympathy or time for the feelings of others. I have felt all the pain there is in this world, stupid, just like you have, but I am mature and have more charity than you. I don't have to suck my thumb because I'm getting shot at. Take care of yourself you big jerk, I love you. You couldn't insult me if you got up early. I like you so what you say to me is like whispers from a lover.

JoS: So why don't you just stick to the fucking subject and answer in a consise way instead of dancing around like a fucking squirrel on meth? Too advanced for your bleak mind?

M: What is the fucking subject, idiot. Don't talk about the subject without mentioning what the fuck it is. I am always on the subject that matters to me. You can eat your subject and shit it as you will. You apply advanced to me because you think you are. I don't think anything. I feel. Who gives a fuck about advanced.

Watch your ass and stay safe. I think about you all the time when you don't post for a while.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
snip

So you assume, but i'd say you are wrong, those kind of people who claim to have knowledge of God are all making him up in their own minds, they know the exact specs according to their own imaginations.

But you wouldn't understand things like rationality or logic, nor would you understand concepts like pain and reality, you pretend to be wise but you're not, the walking around the issue stunt you pull every single time you answer someone is getting mighty old and the "defeat them with a post so long and filled with nothing what so ever" schtick is even older by now.

So why don't you just stick to the fucking subject and answer in a consise way instead of dancing around like a fucking squirrel on meth? Too advanced for your bleak mind?

:thumbsup:

I agree the dude's schtick is getting old by now.

I know, like a child looking for a toy in a library. Nothing here but tomes.

 

[Moonbeam]

LR, as you know I don't totally agree with the notion that we are all different and some can and some can't find God. I note that spiritual traditions do type people and offer them different paths, So I presume some traditions take personality and differences into account:

Link.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Not If there was a prior event. And A foul was Called So ya do a REPLAY to see if the call was correct.

Are you daft, why would an omniscent being need to do a replay, he already knows the exact outcome every single time, if he doesn't, he's not omniscent.

It helps if you understand the words when you discuss them, you could even read a number of posts explaining the term in this very term but no, now God is both omniscent and has to do replays?

Seriously, quit hitting the pipe and go back to school, it'd do you good.

Have you not THOUGHT/ ?

WHY . Because the losers cried deception. They beggeed forgiveness. Just as Adam did on the day God created Obediance. And Eve did lead Adam to also disobey. But God Did promise to restore Adam To eden. Of interst here and I think people should try to understand what ever it means. LiLith the Women God made the same as Adam did reject Adam because Adam thought himsel superior to Lilith which she did reject and Litith was taken up to heaven . Without ever having eaten from the tree of KNOWLEDGE. SHE WAS STILL PERFECT. BUT all OLD religions hold women down below man . reasoning that God did create eve from Adam . True enough. About EVE. Litith is still without SIN ! They have even gone so far as to say she was the servant LOL!

Your question is why would and omnipresent omnipotent God DO this .

1) Because he is God and I haven't got the capacity to SEE the BIG picture as of yet.

2) Have you not noticed . There is NO death. Satan is tormented forever and goes on forever outside the Body of the Host . Same with us . NO death of spirit ever. Its just HELL when you won't be 1 with GOD!

 

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Not If there was a prior event. And A foul was Called So ya do a REPLAY to see if the call was correct.

Are you daft, why would an omniscent being need to do a replay, he already knows the exact outcome every single time, if he doesn't, he's not omniscent.

It helps if you understand the words when you discuss them, you could even read a number of posts explaining the term in this very term but no, now God is both omniscent and has to do replays?

Seriously, quit hitting the pipe and go back to school, it'd do you good.

Have you not THOUGHT/ ?

WHY . Because the losers cried deception. They beggeed forgiveness. Just as Adam did on the day God created Obediance. And Eve did lead Adam to also disobey. But God Did promise to restore Adam To eden. Of interst here and I think people should try to understand what ever it means. LiLith the Women God made the same as Adam did reject Adam because Adam thought himsel superior to Lilith which she did reject and Litith was taken up to heaven . Without ever having eaten from the tree of KNOWLEDGE. SHE WAS STILL PERFECT. BUT all OLD religions hold women down below man . reasoning that God did create eve from Adam . True enough. About EVE. Litith is still without SIN ! They have even gone so far as to say she was the servant LOL!

Your question is why would and omnipresent omnipotent God DO this .

1) Because he is God and I haven't got the capacity to SEE the BIG picture as of yet.

Translation: "I can write the most moronic, nonsensical crap imaginable. To which my ironclad excuse will always be, 'Who am I to understand the ways of Gawd?'"

2) Have you not noticed . There is NO death. Satan is tormented forever and goes on forever outside the Body of the Host . Same with us . NO death of spirit ever. Its just HELL when you won't be 1 with GOD!

No, death is real; it exists right here in this very thread. Just try reading one of your posts.