On P4 3.4 ht, is a X1950XTX a waste?

[akshayt]

Well, it is obvious, let me explain.

1)A 1900XT/XTX will bottleneck him CPU.

2)But, a 1900XT/XTX will make his games run faster than any other card which is inferior to the 1900XT/XTX. This means that although he can't make full use of the 1900XT/XTX, he can still get some performance with which he can differentiate between other cards like the 1800XT if used with the same CPU. So now it is clear that although his CPU can't make full use of a 1900XT, his games will surely run faster with the 1900XT than with the 1900XTX, however, to a limited extent.

3)From this we come to the conclusion that anything above a 1900XT with his CPU will either give a very small performance boost or will not give a performance boost at all. Now, 1900XTX does cost significantly over a 1900XT but performs in most cases un-noticeably better. Now since his CPU is anyways limited by a 1900XT, even if he uses a 1900XTX instead, he won't notice much of a difference if at all in real world benchmarks. In fact even if he had a E6400 he might have only noticed a 5-10% performance gain on average. However, since his CPU can't make use of the 1900XT fully anyway, 1900XTX may only give a small performance boost of maybe 0-10% on average making it un-necessary to spend that much extra on it. Rather, he would benefit more by saving and spending that money later.

4)Just because I am having problems doesn't mean that the hardware in general goes bad. Advise is given for 99% cases and not a 0.01% exceptional case.

5)Back to him again. As of today games can do fine with his CPU as that is all the horsepower they need when complemented by a powerful card. However in the near future the games released will heavily use newer AMD 64 and mostly Core 2 Duo and dual core X2s that his card will become a severe bottleneck to his performance and would in fact increase the bottleneck the CPU causes him.

6)AFAIK any game with any config will run better at 10X7 than at 16X12.

7)His CPU might not be able to do that well at 16X12 as it would on 12X10.

 

[tvdang7]

Originally posted by: CP5670
The CPU limitation issue is blown out of proportion in my experience, at least as far as FPSs go. Last year I played some games with an Opteron 146 at stock speeds and a pair of 7800GTs before pushing the CPU up to 3ghz. While some non-game apps and emulators showed large improvements, I couldn't tell the difference in any modern FPS I tried except for UT2004 (while playing normally rather than benchmarking).

acutually i had the same cpu and an x850xt and i felt the differnce in CS:S from stock speeds and 3 ghz.

5 ppl rushing u frames tend to drop.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
yes, the cpu will bottleneck, esp if you're playing steam based games which are very cpu dependant. p4's suck at gaming and 3d benchmarks.

Baloney. A P4 3.4 is more than sufficient for gaming.

 

[amenx]

At high res (1600 x 1200) theres hardly any difference between the top and bottom ranked CPUs in FPS output. The big differences that we see in CPU reviews are basically done at low res (800 x 600, etc). But whos going to buy an x1950xtx to use at low res, lol?

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: akshayt
1)1900XTX will bottleneck your CPU, but a 1900XT will be worth it for you.

2)At the moment you should be able to play games with max settings mostly with a 1900XT especially once you overclock the CPU.

3)Get the 1900XT.

why don't you crawl back to your den eh ? wasn't your x1900xt LAGGING (whatever that means).

OP what games are we talking here.
remember you can never go wrong with a x1950xtx. at high res, high AA, hdr, AF, shadows and all the other cool stuff the x1950xtx will come in real handy. rememeber even if your not able to incrase you fps over your current one you can add a higher res, better aa af and effect.

 

[9nines]

In case it helps for basing advice: I use a 16ms LCD monitor, so I am physically limited to ~60 FPS maximum. My main goals are (1) delay buying a whole new system by 6+ months, (2) being able to use as high of image quality settings as I can, (3) have playable FPS, with those setting in 1600X1200.

So far, it seems, if I do not mind paying for it X1950XTX will give best results, per opinions here.

Thanks for all the comments.

 

[mancunian]

Originally posted by: akshayt
Well, it is obvious, let me explain.

1)A 1900XT/XTX will bottleneck him CPU.

2)But, a 1900XT/XTX will make his games run faster than any other card which is inferior to the 1900XT/XTX. This means that although he can't make full use of the 1900XT/XTX, he can still get some performance with which he can differentiate between other cards like the 1800XT if used with the same CPU. So now it is clear that although his CPU can't make full use of a 1900XT, his games will surely run faster with the 1900XT than with the 1900XTX, however, to a limited extent.

3)From this we come to the conclusion that anything above a 1900XT with his CPU will either give a very small performance boost or will not give a performance boost at all. Now, 1900XTX does cost significantly over a 1900XT but performs in most cases un-noticeably better. Now since his CPU is anyways limited by a 1900XT, even if he uses a 1900XTX instead, he won't notice much of a difference if at all in real world benchmarks. In fact even if he had a E6400 he might have only noticed a 5-10% performance gain on average. However, since his CPU can't make use of the 1900XT fully anyway, 1900XTX may only give a small performance boost of maybe 0-10% on average making it un-necessary to spend that much extra on it. Rather, he would benefit more by saving and spending that money later.

4)Just because I am having problems doesn't mean that the hardware in general goes bad. Advise is given for 99% cases and not a 0.01% exceptional case.

5)Back to him again. As of today games can do fine with his CPU as that is all the horsepower they need when complemented by a powerful card. However in the near future the games released will heavily use newer AMD 64 and mostly Core 2 Duo and dual core X2s that his card will become a severe bottleneck to his performance and would in fact increase the bottleneck the CPU causes him.

6)AFAIK any game with any config will run better at 10X7 than at 16X12.

7)His CPU might not be able to do that well at 16X12 as it would on 12X10.

I'm not even going to start pulling your post apart because it just isn't worth it. Could you do us all a favour though, and just not post unless you know what you're posting is fact? Because I'm sick to death of reading your misinformation. Other people may just think you are talking sense, which you NEVER do.

To the OP, as others have correctly pointed at, at the resolution you want to play at the XTX will be fine. Sometimes, but not always, when people go on about CPU bottlenecks, they are doing it just to diss or trash another person's rig. It makes them feel good by telling others that their systems are not up to scratch.

A 3.4Ghz P4 is NOT going to bottleneck an XTX @ 1600 x 1200 resolution. And even if it did, it would be minimal and not noticeable. Furthermore, you could just turn up all the eye candy at lower resolutions and be perfectly happy.

Go for it and enjoy the card.

 

[mancunian]

Originally posted by: 9nines
In cased it helps for basing advice: I am on a 16ms LCD monitor, so I am physically limited to ~60 FPS maximum. My main goals are (1) delay buying a whole new system by 6+ months, (2) being able to use as high of image quality settings as I can, (3) have playable FPS, with those setting in 1600X1200.

So far, it seems, if I do not mind paying for it X1950XTX will give best results, per opinions here.

Thanks for all the comments.

Indeed, it will give the best results. However, I'd be more tempted to just go for an XT, because even though there is a difference between that and the XTX, the price difference doesn't warrant the purchase.

I do speak for myself (and my own financial situation) here though, so if you have the cash to splash, then splash it and enjoy.

 

[Munky]

The P4 will hold you back a bit, but no so much like a complete bottleneck. For example, a fast A64 or C2D might give you like 5-10% higher avg fps at 1600x1200, but you'd still get good performance with a P4 because, like others have mentioned, at those resolutions the video card is stressed as well.

 

[Raptor45]

I'm with the no CPU bottlenecking group. I've got a mere 1.8GHz, and I still run new games at max settings without any issues most of the time, because I've got a decent graphics card. The GPU is so much bigger a factor with decent res and eye candy; the newer processors are mostly a ripoff in the gaming framerate sense, though they have other benefits of course. If you want to see lots of frames, the most important thing is the GPU, period.

 

[9nines]

Thanks for all the advice. I will see what the prices do next week, when the X1950 is released. If the X1900XTX falls a lot, I will get it but if the price difference stays around $50 to $100 or less, I will get the X1950 because I can use it with my future new system, if the DX10 cards are not established by then or likely sell it for $75 more than for what I could sell the X1900XTX at the same time probably (especially if I get a Crossfire one), therefore I will likely have nothing to lose in 6 months (either keep using it or get most of the premium in price back, in selling it used) and can enjoy its better performance during the time. Also, I think akshayt had very valid points. As I took it, he was just stating that the perforance increase of the X1950 would be marginal and likely not worth the premium in price. I think he just had typos like the X1900XTX would do less than the X1900XT (had the letters flipped around.)

 

[robkas]

People overrate CPU limitation. I am also going to be purchasing an x1950xt. I only have a 3200+ as a processor also, and i am not worried one bit because at the resolutions and graphical settings i'm going ot be running the cpu won't bottleneck the card.

When i had my 7900gt with my 3200+ i was getting nearly identical frames (give or take 5 at the MAX) compared to a 7900gt paired with an FX processor.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
yes, the cpu will bottleneck, esp if you're playing steam based games which are very cpu dependant. p4's suck at gaming and 3d benchmarks.

You are misleading people. P4's DO NOT suck at gaming. A64's are better, but P4's do just fine.

OP: Your P4 3.4 should be sufficient to feed that card. Most games today are GPU bottlenecked anyways when you are talking A64 2GHz or better and P4 3.0GHz or better.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: akshayt
1950XTX could be a waste for your GPU and so could a 1900XTX. You may not get much of a performance difference over 1900XT. You should rather just get a 1900XT and spend the rest for Core 2 Duo.

AKSHAYT!!!!! There is almost NIL difference between an XT and XTX. around 5%.

Here is your response the next time someone asks you this question:

User: "Will a 3.4 GHz P4 bottleneck my X1950XTX?"

Akshayt: "No, definately not, especially at higher resolutions. Even the latest greatest GPU's are kept well fed by mid range CPU's from both AMD and Intel. You'll be fine with your P4 3.4. Enjoy."

Get it? I hope so.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky
The P4 will hold you back a bit, but no so much like a complete bottleneck. For example, a fast A64 or C2D might give you like 5-10% higher avg fps at 1600x1200, but you'd still get good performance with a P4 because, like others have mentioned, at those resolutions the video card is stressed as well.

The munkster hits it right on the head. :thumbsup:

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: 9nines
First, thanks to everyone hat helped me determine my PSU should be enough to handle the X1950XTX. Now my last question, before I buy:

If I have a P4 3.4 ht, with 2 gigabytes of ram, will the CPU be such a bottleneck on an X1950XTX that the video card is a waste and instead I should get an X1900XTX or maybe even an X1900GT instead?

In other words, will me CPU be such a bottleneck that I might get similar performance from an X1900GT as I would an X1950XTX.

I do mind spending the money if the X1950XTX will be better but I hate to waste $100, if CPU bottleneck would make the X1900XTX be just as good or $200 if the X1900GT would be.

Thanks for any opinions and again thanks to all who helped me on determining if my PSU was enough.

What motherboard do you have? The X1900 series is PCIe and to my knowledge, there are very few PCIe boards that support 478 processors.

I don't think his proc is 478, it should be 775.

I vote 1950 XTX - especially if the quieter operation is a big factor for you. You can then keep the card when you upgrade CPU/mobo.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Originally posted by: CP5670
The CPU limitation issue is blown out of proportion in my experience, at least as far as FPSs go. Last year I played some games with an Opteron 146 at stock speeds and a pair of 7800GTs before pushing the CPU up to 3ghz. While some non-game apps and emulators showed large improvements, I couldn't tell the difference in any modern FPS I tried except for UT2004 (while playing normally rather than benchmarking).

1)1900XTX will bottleneck your CPU, but a 1900XT will be worth it for you.

QFT - in general, if a CPU is fast enough for any gaming, then it's fast enough for high-quality gaming. The main thing that tends to get limited by a CPU is max frames, which you don't even care about.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: akshayt
Well, it is obvious, let me explain.

1)A 1900XT/XTX will bottleneck him CPU.

english, please

2)But, a 1900XT/XTX will make his games run faster than any other card which is inferior to the 1900XT/XTX. This means that although he can't make full use of the 1900XT/XTX, he can still get some performance with which he can differentiate between other cards like the 1800XT if used with the same CPU. So now it is clear that although his CPU can't make full use of a 1900XT, his games will surely run faster with the 1900XT than with the 1900XTX, however, to a limited extent.

his games will run faster with a x1900xt than a x1900xtx?

3)From this we come to the conclusion that anything above a 1900XT with his CPU will either give a very small performance boost or will not give a performance boost at all. Now, 1900XTX does cost significantly over a 1900XT but performs in most cases un-noticeably better. Now since his CPU is anyways limited by a 1900XT, even if he uses a 1900XTX instead, he won't notice much of a difference if at all in real world benchmarks. In fact even if he had a E6400 he might have only noticed a 5-10% performance gain on average. However, since his CPU can't make use of the 1900XT fully anyway, 1900XTX may only give a small performance boost of maybe 0-10% on average making it un-necessary to spend that much extra on it. Rather, he would benefit more by saving and spending that money later.

so you're saying that a p4 3.4ghz bottlenecks a x1900xt, then in the next sentence you say a 3.4ghz p4 is bottlenecked by a x1900xt??

4)Just because I am having problems doesn't mean that the hardware in general goes bad. Advise is given for 99% cases and not a 0.01% exceptional case.

i thought the x1900xt sucked?

5)Back to him again. As of today games can do fine with his CPU as that is all the horsepower they need when complemented by a powerful card. However in the near future the games released will heavily use newer AMD 64 and mostly Core 2 Duo and dual core X2s that his card will become a severe bottleneck to his performance and would in fact increase the bottleneck the CPU causes him.

what?? how does a graphics card make a CPU bottleneck worse?

7)His CPU might not be able to do that well at 16X12 as it would on 12X10.

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do you even know what a CPU bottleneck is? if there is a cpu bottleneck the framerate would stay the same at all resolutions

conclusion: akshyt is retarded

 

[secretanchitman]

no way...my 7900GT runs just fine with my pentium D 930 @ 4.1Ghz. even at stock, it ran quite faster than my 2.4C @ 3.0Ghz.

 

[josh6079]

...his games will surely run faster with the 1900XT than with the 1900XTX, however, to a limited extent.

That's why that XTX has been more expensive, because it ran slower..............

 

[TanisHalfElven]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: akshayt
1950XTX could be a waste for your GPU and so could a 1900XTX. You may not get much of a performance difference over 1900XT. You should rather just get a 1900XT and spend the rest for Core 2 Duo.

AKSHAYT!!!!! There is almost NIL difference between an XT and XTX. around 5%.

Here is your response the next time someone asks you this question:

User: "Will a 3.4 GHz P4 bottleneck my X1950XTX?"

Akshayt: "No, definately not, especially at higher resolutions. Even the latest greatest GPU's are kept well fed by mid range CPU's from both AMD and Intel. You'll be fine with your P4 3.4. Enjoy."

Get it? I hope so.

man akshay person has become the video forum clown.

well considering how well he follows advise i can predict his responce the next time the question is asked

akshayat: "DUH..... the x1900xt will be faster cuz it;ll be less limited see, no?...duh..duh..puh."

 

[ronnn]

On P4 3.4 ht, is a X1950XTX a waste? Yes, but will be fun to game on.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: akshayt
1950XTX could be a waste for your GPU and so could a 1900XTX. You may not get much of a performance difference over 1900XT. You should rather just get a 1900XT and spend the rest for Core 2 Duo.

AKSHAYT!!!!! There is almost NIL difference between an XT and XTX. around 5%.

Here is your response the next time someone asks you this question:

User: "Will a 3.4 GHz P4 bottleneck my X1950XTX?"

Akshayt: "No, definately not, especially at higher resolutions. Even the latest greatest GPU's are kept well fed by mid range CPU's from both AMD and Intel. You'll be fine with your P4 3.4. Enjoy."

Get it? I hope so.

man akshay person has become the video forum clown.

well considering how well he follows advise i can predict his responce the next time the question is asked

akshayat: "DUH..... the x1900xt will be faster cuz it;ll be less limited see, no?...duh..duh..puh."

I think Akshayt makes sense here Why spend 450.00$ on a x1950xtx or $375.00 on a 1900xtx when the x1900xt is only $318.00 and will give him more than enough performance? If I had 3.4 pent 4, I wouldn't get anything more than a x1900gt.
Look at my system I have a 7800gs and I'm gpu limited only at 1600x1200 with high settings in most games. His cpu has faster memory and bus speed than me, but the x1900xt is 30% faster than my 7800gs so he would still be a little cpu limited.

So the answer to the question is yes the x1950xtx and so will a x1900xtx be bottlenecked by your cpu.

 

[9nines]

Is task manager ?CPU Usage? monitor a very good gauge on how much the CPU is taxed?

I was playing beta Vanguard Online today and at low image quality settings only getting 15-25 FPS. I played with Task Manager open, so I could monitor the CPU Usage. CPU Usage stayed around 40% to 55%, while I played, even as I approached a lot of others players - a situation that drops my FPS to unplayable level for a second and CPU Usage still stayed under 55%.

Would that be a good gauge that my CPU is not bottlenecking the game? With the X1950, turning up the image quality, would the CPU use really change much from what I using now?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: happy medium

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: akshayt
1950XTX could be a waste for your GPU and so could a 1900XTX. You may not get much of a performance difference over 1900XT. You should rather just get a 1900XT and spend the rest for Core 2 Duo.

AKSHAYT!!!!! There is almost NIL difference between an XT and XTX. around 5%.

Here is your response the next time someone asks you this question:

User: "Will a 3.4 GHz P4 bottleneck my X1950XTX?"

Akshayt: "No, definately not, especially at higher resolutions. Even the latest greatest GPU's are kept well fed by mid range CPU's from both AMD and Intel. You'll be fine with your P4 3.4. Enjoy."

Get it? I hope so.

man akshay person has become the video forum clown.

well considering how well he follows advise i can predict his responce the next time the question is asked

akshayat: "DUH..... the x1900xt will be faster cuz it;ll be less limited see, no?...duh..duh..puh."

I think Akshayt makes sense here Why spend 450.00$ on a x1950xtx or $375.00 on a 1900xtx when the x1900xt is only $318.00 and will give him more than enough performance? If I had 3.4 pent 4, I wouldn't get anything more than a x1900gt.
Look at my system I have a 7800gs and I'm gpu limited only at 1600x1200 with high settings in most games. His cpu has faster memory and bus speed than me, but the x1900xt is 30% faster than my 7800gs so he would still be a little cpu limited.

So the answer to the question is yes the x1950xtx and so will a x1900xtx be bottlenecked by your cpu.

No. It won't.