When almost half of the Americans polled think that the media make up stories about the President, he has cause to question them.Well no, I wasn't suggesting he was actively striving for it. Apologies if I mischaracterized it. Rather, it's more that he's seriously questioning whether or not it's possible to pull NBC's license, and for all the wrong reasons. Not because it's spreading "fake news" (it's not), but because he doesn't like unflattering news.
When almost half of the Americans polled think that the media make up stories about the President, he has cause to question them.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/18/trump-media-fake-news-poll-243884
"Just 37 percent of voters think the media do not fabricate stories, the poll shows, while the remaining 17 percent are undecided.
Correct, the Night of the Long Knives killed the remaining hard core socialists. In their run up to power the NSDAP spewed socialist rhetoric against liberals, capitalists, immigrants, free trade, and the western democracies. Rohm wanted to continue the movement and move onto redistribution of wealth. He was purged and with it any chance for this to happen on a major scale. Rohm also represented the biggest threat to Hitler in terms of power. His SA was rolled into the SS after the purge.
Anyways I take the view once an ideology gets to the level of authoritarian of Socialism, Communist dictatorship, or National Socialism. Does it matter which side of the spectrum they reside? We are arguing over semantics at that point imo. National Socialists wanted a racially pure state. Communists wanted an ideologically pure state. Both created networks of death camps and enacted policy that killed tens of millions to achieve these goals.
When almost half of the Americans polled think that the media make up stories about the President, he has cause to question them.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/18/trump-media-fake-news-poll-243884
"Just 37 percent of voters think the media do not fabricate stories, the poll shows, while the remaining 17 percent are undecided.
When almost half of the Americans polled think that the media make up stories about the President, he has cause to question them.
"Almost half" of Americans voted Trump. So I have reason to question the intellectual integrity of "almost half" of Americans.
Um, the poll was if the media fabricates news about trump. That means about 20% of Dems think that the media is making up news stories about Trump.
So where are the statistics about how many of those were Trump voters?
I'm just saying, just because X number of people think the media is doing something, really doesn't mean anything.
Of course you could say that "fabricates stories" could be positive or negative coverage, but if you read the results, a huge proportion more of Repubs/folks who "approve" of Trump believe stories are made up, so clearly the bias is towards negative media here.
You're welcome to tap dance around the problem, but it doesn't resolve the issue."Almost half" of Americans voted Trump. So I have reason to question the intellectual integrity of "almost half" of Americans.
Did you read the article? They said that 20% of the Dems that voted believe the media were making things up about trump. Also, they clearly gave the data.
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-2be5-d519-a57f-7fed395c0001
Dem, Rep, Ind were all about 1/3 of responders.
As for making something up about Trump that benefits him, thats a good LOL moment. Even Fox would not be so bold to make something up to benefit Trump. I can't believe that anyone would think that the question about mean making something up that is good.
So what was your point, again? I read the article, I read the survey...where does it indicate anything about Trump voters?
I'm not denying that 20% of those who identified as Dems in the survey believe media is making things up, but I don't see how that is related to what I said in the first place.
My post was in response to someone who is trying to spin it as something Trump needs to "question" because so many people apparently believe the media makes up stories about him. I am saying that I question those people being able to discern what is fake news and what is not in the first place. Or, even if they could, being intellectually honest enough to admit it.
I run for an hour every night at the gym, watching CNN on one screen and Fox News on the one next to it. It's almost humorous to see the opposite spin put on every story that comes up for discussion.
The one thing that bothers me is the gleeful attitude at CNN/ABC/NBC/et al anytime anything at all, no matter how small, comes up that could be construed as detrimental to Trump. They all pile on like piranha in a feeding frenzy. I don't recall ever seeing this degree of opposition to a sitting President in the past. And we've had some real winners (W comes to mind), so I don't think it's just Trump himself.
Pretty simple really.
You said this...
""Almost half" of Americans voted Trump. So I have reason to question the intellectual integrity of "almost half" of Americans."
The implication here is that the half that believed the media are making stories up about Trump are the same you question that voted for Trump. I then point out that the article says that about 20% of Dems also believe the media is making things up about Trump. Unless you believe 20% of Dems voted for Trump, you are clearly mistaken.
I then replied with this...
"Um, the poll was if the media fabricates news about trump. That means about 20% of Dems think that the media is making up news stories about Trump."
And your response was this...
"So where are the statistics about how many of those were Trump voters?"
So, you either did not understand the article, or you are being intellectually dishonest and will not admit it.
Your entire argument is based off of two assumptions that you have generated: 1) that none of the people who responded think that positive news about Trump/the administration was manufactured and 2) that none of the folks who identified as Dems or Independents in this survey voted Trump.
I am rejecting those assumptions, so that is likely why we are not seeing eye to eye on this.
Who are you again? You missed all the Latino gangs that are targeting blacks in your quest to call "Conservatives like you" Nazis and racists. I guess Trump enabled them as well, right? I doubt they are right leaning. So it appears that your pseudo intellectual bullshit that you get from SPLC, forget about all the left wing hate groups roaming around committing real and violent acts against other races. You seem to think that a totalitarian like control of people, thoughts, and societal norms enforced by violent and extreme actions is exclusively a right wing thing. You can easily review historical records to see the parallels of how the Nazis came to power and what the Left is trying to do. You can deny all you wish but it's red pill time.There is no need to apologise. Even though you are a pseudointellectual, revisionist tosser. I can see you are just going to keep on reinventing reality and you still seem to be missing the point. I will bold the relevant parts.
the point was that conservatives such as yourself. Like to make up pseudo intellectual bullshit that somehow links the far right ideology of nazism to the political left and the reason that you do this is due to the fact that you cannot accept that dangerous extremists such as jeff vote trump.
(This is jeff leader of the largest neo-nazi organisation in the US the national socialist movement and he votes trump. He also wants to send jews off to extermination camps)
And that trump has empowered these extremists who have carried out multiple terrorist attacks on US soil. Which have killed US citizens. Furthermore conservatives like you would rather reinvent reality.
Than acknowledge that you have a serious problem with racist terrorists who glorify a genocidal ideology supporting the republican party.
You do realise that your posts are proving my point right? Of course not. You are far too brainwashed for that. You, john connor, brandonbull, boomerang et. al. should start a private thread. Where you can all re-write the history of the nazi party with no objections.
It would be a conversation for the ages.
After taking power, Hitler disbanded the trade unions and banned striking. And, after cozying up to the industrialists for help with war production, he executed the remaining socialists in the party on June 30, 1934 in order to appease said industrialists.
He killed the parties' socialists and disbanded the unions, but hey, he "put regulations on smoking" so I guess we can say he was a socialist, right?
Your source is at best selective in its presentation of facts.
oh look, another thread of You are a Nazi, NO! you are. NO! bitch you are. fuck you you nazii look here is proof, oh hell no, read this you are the Nazi.
blah blah blah. somebody nudge the needle its stuck.
you vote with russians.
What is up with the conservative need to deflect from the fact that they have dangerous far right extremists who have carried out multiple terrorist attacks in the US in their midst?
By making up what could be described as fake arguments which in their minds prove that nazis are not trump voters or linked with the republican party but are in fact linked directly with crooked hillary and the democrats.
Because NSDAP has the word socialist in it.
I have seen this same argument used on multiple sites and when people point out to them how wrong they are. Which can be done by simply googling nazi party and then reading the wikipedia article they just keep going. Is this because it is easier for them to create their own version of reality?
Here is a link to that article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
I am not an american so if someone could explain to me this need for conservatives to delude themselves. That would be great.
Sincerely yours,
Urvile.
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At the time of Hitler's political activity, in the 1930s, socialism was sexy. Recognising this he cynically incorporated the word into the name of his party, hence the term National Socialism, which in turn gave rise to acronym, Nazi. In addition to this he took the red flag of socialism and stuck a swastika in the middle of it.
Stalin (the grotty bastard) perverted Marxism by turning it into a religion: replacing the imagery of the Russian Orthodox Church, with statues and icons of Marx, Engels and Lenin (deifying the latter). This, in his sick little mind, made any opposition to his interpretation of Marxism/Leninism, blasphemy. Remember, Stalin did spend four years studying to be a priest.
So, we have the two most revolting and prominent shits of the 20th century associated with the term Socialism, but in practice exhibited extreme right-wing tendencies, in my view.
I believe Socialism is a political philosophy that promotes economic and political equality through the fair distribution of wealth: 'to each, according to need, from each according to ability'. To some degree, or other, I think most people concur with this view, even the opponents of socialism.
The problem with the political left is that, although it has been universally uncompromising in its condemnation of Nazi Germany, many factions have either supported, or been apologists for, Stalinist Russia. Stalinism is now enjoying a renaissance in Russia, under Putin, and yet it is the far-right who are among his most fervent followers. This is cruel irony, given the tens of millions of Soviet citizens who died in World War 2.
I may have wondered off the point somewhat with relaying all this, but it may explain why conservatives try to associate anybody to their left with Stalinism and, to some degree, National Socialism, albeit disingenuously.
The fact is the political right are liars. They are not defending an ideology, they are defending a system that places the real power in the hands of a tiny, rich elite. They tolerate democracy because it gives the illusion of empowerment to the masses: if it ever threatened any real change they would move heaven and earth to subvert or abolish it. They would wreck an economy to bring the masses to their knees (he said remembering Thatcher). I could expand on this more, but I think I have made my point.
Who are you again? You missed all the Latino gangs that are targeting blacks in your quest to call "Conservatives like you" Nazis and racists. I guess Trump enabled them as well, right? I doubt they are right leaning. So it appears that your pseudo intellectual bullshit that you get from SPLC, forget about all the left wing hate groups roaming around committing real and violent acts against other races. You seem to think that a totalitarian like control of people, thoughts, and societal norms enforced by violent and extreme actions is exclusively a right wing thing. You can easily review historical records to see the parallels of how the Nazis came to power and what the Left is trying to do. You can deny all you wish but it's red pill time.
You need to move it along and stop with your cheap and ridiculous insults. The old and tired use of racists, Nazis labels as responses to anyone not parroting the Libtard rhetoric is pathetic.