On the Border . . .

CaptnKirk

Lifer
Jul 25, 2002
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Ain't gonna let none o' them Terrist's sneak in from Mexico . .

Let's have a shoot-out at the O.K. Corrall for the sake of the Red-Necks . . .

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TOMBSTONE, Ariz. -- Hundreds of volunteers, some armed, are expected to take up positions along the U.S.-Mexican border Friday and begin patrolling for illegal immigrants.

Organizers of the Minuteman Project said the civilian volunteers, many of whom were recruited over the Internet, will meet first for a rally in this onetime silver mining town, then fan out across 23 miles of the San Pedro Valley to watch the border for a month and report sightings of illegal activity to Border Patrol agents.

Jim Gilchrist, a retired accountant from Aliso Viejo, Calif., who organized the project, said that some volunteers will carry handguns, which is allowed under Arizona law, but are being instructed to avoid confrontation, even if shot at.

Still, law enforcement officials and human rights advocates are worried about the potential for bloodshed.

Critics contend the project may attract vigilantes. At least one white supremacist group has mentioned the project on its Web site.

''They are domestic terrorists that represent a danger to the country and could promote a major border conflict that will have serious ramifications and consequences,'' said Armando Navarro, coordinator of the National Alliance for Human Rights.

Michael Nicley, chief of the U.S. Border Patrol's Tucson sector, said the volunteers are ''not the kind of help the Border Patrol is asking for.''

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever said he fears immigrant smugglers might open fire.

''I wouldn't anticipate that people of that persuasion would act or react any differently to anybody, citizen or law enforcement alike, if they were confronted and felt like their cargo was in jeopardy,'' he said.

The project's organizers gave assurances the volunteers will be closely monitored.

''If it gets to a situation where someone's life is in danger,'' said David Helppler, Minuteman security coordinator, ''I will end the project.''

Project organizers said they expect 800 to 1,000 volunteers. How many might actually show is unclear; similar efforts in the past few years flopped.

On Wednesday, the Homeland Security Department announced that it is assigning 534 additional agents to the porous Arizona border.

Some people in this town where the 1881 gunfight at the OK Corral took place, are eagerly awaiting the volunteers.

Marilynn Slade, Tombstone's city clerk, said: ''The vast majority of the people feel that the feds should be dealing more aggressively with the problem. There's a huge, huge cry down here.''

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Somebody on the Federal Level better get their heads screwed on correctly real quick.
This is a situation that has the potential to quickly get out of hand - complete with Mob Mentality & a Conservative Activist Possee . . .

(Maybe we'll see this on 'CrossFire')
 

maddogchen

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Feb 17, 2004
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I was going to post something about this yesterday since it sounds like a terrible idea. But then I read:
Project organizers said they expect 800 to 1,000 volunteers. How many might actually show is unclear; similar efforts in the past few years flopped. One of them drew only about a half-dozen people.
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So i don't think it will draw that many people, probably fail in less than a week, and probably be overblown.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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What's wrong with private citizens preventing the stream of illegal immigrants from entering this country through borders that the government is unable to protect.

If these people want to immigrate to America, there are legal and official procedures for doing so.

The Mexican drug cartels are heavily involved in the smuggling of illegals across the border, and what would prevent them from establishing ties with terrorist groups given the lucrative nature of the slave trade they are running.

I don't fault these individuals for volunteering their time, nor do I blame them for arming themselves given the drug cartel activity across the border over the last few years.

The only thing that concerns me about the article is that white supremicists are supporting this effort. I would not support these vigilantes arbitrarily shooting illegals trying to get across the border...I wouldn't mind their taking out some of these drug cartel scumbags who are helping to perpetuate this 21st century form of slave trade.
 

MCWAR

Banned
Jan 13, 2005
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I heard the guy organizing this event. He has had request from some racist oranization and told them to stay away.
I think it is a good ideal, at least if it does become dangerous maybe the gov't will actually do more about our borders.
 

Grunt03

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Jun 24, 2000
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Yes the idea is a good one, however no matter what they do it nonething will change, the state is broke, California has to many problems to worrie about and this one is near the bottom of the list. California has never been serious about the border, the Gov doesn't care one way or another.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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If the Federal government actually gave a crap about border security in the first place, this wouldn't be happening. Can't fault people for wanting to help, or for packing guns. Somehow I don't think desperate drug runners would turn around just becuase they were asked nicely.
 

CaptnKirk

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Jul 25, 2002
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Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to the day where anywhere in 'Merica a vigalante band of
Political Activists can stop you, investigate what you are doing in 'Their Territory', and being the scolarly thinking type they are,
be able to convene their Kangaroo Court and deal with you the way that they feel at that moment, with a crowd of goons egging them on.

Sounds like the best that 'Merica has to offer to me !

Isn't that like when the mob storms the castle to get the Frankenstein Monster ?
Or where the Biker Gang runs you off the road because they think your 'Chick is Hawt'.
Or where the RedNecks think they caught one of them GawdDam Faggots.
Or where the car makes a wrong turn into a getto neighborhood.
Or if you have the audacity to wear a 49r's shirt to a Raiders game ?

We are suposed to be a nation of laws for all - not a gang of thugs imposing their view.
Perhaps if there wasn't so much 'Tax Breaks for the Wealthy' we could use as much as
one half of 1% o f that to hire and equip enough personel to properly staff a Border Patrol.

You know - a couple years back there was a helicopter crash along the Texas/Mexico Border (International Incident, by the way),
when they were 'Patroling' the border to 'assist' the BP in watching for drug smugglers. (outside the scope of their legal charter)
Linkyloo
(Point being is that they pulled that activity back in - real quick, political repercussions)

If there is any credance to increasing patrol in that area, since the Army has it's
Military Intelligence Command at Fort Huachucha (withing 30 miles of that place),
they should be the ones called upon in an emergency to provide assistance.
The could use their 'Predator Drone' training classes to run over-flights in that area,
as long as they stay 'Legal' by not flying them over into Taco-Land.
(and they do that - to an extent)

We don't need an un-declared affiliation of some Pro-Klan element running our border security.
 

imported_Tango

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Mar 8, 2005
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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
If these people want to immigrate to America, there are legal and official procedures for doing so.

LOL... Are you serious? Most of the desperates that try to immigrate illigally have not a chance in a million to get a visa. Otherwise they would.
A mexican friend of mine that I met while studying in france still has problems obtaining a tourist visa, not even mention a work permit... And we are talking about a journalist, an highly educated man with a master from ITESO and a degree from parisian university La Sorbonne, he never committed a crime, and has no family...
He told me most of the mexicans that get a work permit for the USA are likely to have bribed heavily some immigration officer in the USA.. and even then it takes forever and they are not sure at all that the process will go fine.

I'm not saying the USA should let the whole mexico in... but don't think those people risking their lifes to immigrate illigally could easily get a legal immigration visa. You are making fun of them. Nobody likes to live like that, if they do is only because they have no choice.
 

illustri

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Mar 14, 2001
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it'll be interesting to see what happens when "legitimate" or at least non-asshole volunteers meet up at the location and find all the racists recruited from stormfront and other hate sites

incidentally, doesn't "minuteman" have a pretty negative connotation nowadays? describing premature ejaculators?
 

Starbuck1975

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I'm not saying the USA should let the whole mexico in... but don't think those people risking their lifes to immigrate illigally could easily get a legal immigration visa.

Illustrates that our immigration system is in desperate need of reform...we had a process for screening and admitting southern European immigrants through Ellis island during the early 20th century...why not establish the same for South and Central America.

You are making fun of them. Nobody likes to live like that, if they do is only because they have no choice

Not making fun of them...but have you seen some of the communities that consist largely of illegal Mexican immigrants...either inner city slums or trailer park junkyards adjacent to the farms they work at...I can't imagine their lives in Mexico were any worse then in these communities...slavery is still alive and well in America.

We are suposed to be a nation of laws for all - not a gang of thugs imposing their view. Perhaps if there wasn't so much 'Tax Breaks for the Wealthy' we could use as much as one half of 1% o f that to hire and equip enough personel to properly staff a Border Patrol.

Yes it is always the fault of the wealthy...there is a study coming out of Harvard I believe that places an estimate on how much money the government loses each year due to people not declaring all of their income for tax purposes...and the worst offenders are not the wealthy salaried employees of our society, as their income has a paper trail...it is lower and middle income households who work off the books...the money lost in tax revenues due to this dynamic numbers in the billions.

Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to the day where anywhere in 'Merica a vigalante band of Political Activists can stop you, investigate what you are doing in 'Their Territory', and being the scolarly thinking type they are, be able to convene their Kangaroo Court and deal with you the way that they feel at that moment, with a crowd of goons egging them on.

This group is preventing people from coming into this country ILLEGALLY...they will not be harassing or investigating the citizens that already live here.
 

Rainsford

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Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: illustri
...
incidentally, doesn't "minuteman" have a pretty negative connotation nowadays? describing premature ejaculators?

Well, this group DOES sound like they have a need to show everyone how manly they are
 

Genx87

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Apr 8, 2002
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OP: Please dont complain about the flood of people across our border in the future. You have zero credibility on this subject now.

The federal govt doesnt want to do its job and stop the flow of people across our border. Not only is this a good idea to stop these people and possible terrorists. But it will force a media spotlight on the failings of the federal govt to protect the legal citizens of this country.

 

DealMonkey

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Nov 25, 2001
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I think Buchanan needs to wipe the dressing off his head, strap on a couple of glocks and go join these guys down @ the border.
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Genx87
OP: Please dont complain about the flood of people across our border in the future. You have zero credibility on this subject now.

The federal govt doesnt want to do its job and stop the flow of people across our border. Not only is this a good idea to stop these people and possible terrorists. But it will force a media spotlight on the failings of the federal govt to protect the legal citizens of this country.
Because the Federal gov't doesn't want to do its job means the OP must no longer complain about the Federal gov't not doing its job?


WTF?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Genx87
OP: Please dont complain about the flood of people across our border in the future. You have zero credibility on this subject now.

The federal govt doesnt want to do its job and stop the flow of people across our border. Not only is this a good idea to stop these people and possible terrorists. But it will force a media spotlight on the failings of the federal govt to protect the legal citizens of this country.

:shocked:

OMG, actually agree with Gen on something
 

Rhin0

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I hope they get 5,000 volunteers.

They'll need the guns to shoot it out with the armed drug smugglers not to mention the Mexican police and military that will be aiding the drug smugglers.


 

judasmachine

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Sep 15, 2002
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freaking idiots. mob justice is the lowest, most ignorant forms. besides some of the people they shoot are also the ones who are just trying to report to work in their fields.
 

charrison

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: judasmachine
freaking idiots. mob justice is the lowest, most ignorant forms. besides some of the people they shoot are also the ones who are just trying to report to work in their fields.



well if the fed is not going to take care of illegal immigration, who should?
 

CaptnKirk

Lifer
Jul 25, 2002
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Just goin' down to the border to shoot some 'cans'

Mexi-'cans'
afri-'cans'
puerto ri'cans'
Ameri'cans'
 

XMan

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Oct 9, 1999
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"Mob justice"? "Vigilantes"?

These guys are going to sit along the border with binoculars, GPS devices, and cell phones. If they see any illegals crossing, they'll call border control with their coordinates.

Sounds like neighborhood watch to me. What's so wrong with that?

Some of them are armed - well, guess what, in Arizona, citizens are allowed to carry weapons so long as three inches of the grip is visible.
 

dannybin1742

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the governemtn is unwilling to stop these people from crossing.................. so i support what these people are doing, its time people said F!!! it and took matters into their own hands
 

illustri

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Just goin' down to the border to shoot some 'cans'

Mexi-'cans'
afri-'cans'
puerto ri'cans'
Ameri'cans'

are you a mexi "can" or a mexi "can't"
 

Indybusters

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Mar 17, 2005
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It looks like a few hundred gringos along the Ariz. border are going to upset President Bush's applecart. I think if the minutemen are slick enough to blend in with the "observers" and take care of their own six, then the MS-13 may well get run off, across the international border, right into the waiting arms of the Mexican Army. Just as long as the ruckus goes down south of the line, then the observers, whatever that means, will just have to wring their hands. Reality will prove to be a different breed of cat than the Hollywood tripe every one's used to. Figure that every sentry will have a hidden sentry or two backing him up, ala the old Weremacht, from WWII. Our G.I.'s scared the Germans the most when all of our officers and non coms had been eliminated. Then it was always some PFC that did something completely off the wall, and trashed the Germans. This from German POW's after V-E Day at the sub pens on the French Coast. And it happened time and time again. At least that's what my dad claimed in recollecting the interrogations of the P.O.W.'s., in his later years. No one knows what kind of tactics these Minutemen will adopt, once the sun sets over the desert.
 
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