Probably the smartest thing for the Republicans would be to drop the riders, pass the budget the Democrats failed to pass, and hit hard with the 2012 budget. Both Obama and Reid have vowed to veto and kill respectively any attempt to pass yet another continuing resolution, which indicates they probably have favorable internal polling on their ability to successfully blame the Republicans for a government shut-down. Also, the more time the Republicans spend on fixing the Democrats' failures, the less time the Pubbies have to make their own.Though I don't think a shut down would be the worse thing in the world, it really isn't worth 30 billion in cuts.
I would suggest the republicans take the 30 billion and at the same time suggest to the democrats to offer more cuts to avert a shutdown.
If the shutdown was over something more meaningful I would support it but it really isn't worth 1% of the budget. Just make a deal already, someone, for gods sake. Lets just end this charade.
On November 13, major players on both sides, including Vice President Al Gore, Dick Armey, and Bob Dole, met once more to try resolving the budget. In response to a discussion on Medicare, Clinton writes:[1]
“ Armey replied gruffly that if I didn't give in to them, they would shut the government down and my presidency would be over. I shot back, saying I would never allow their budget to become law, "even if I drop to 5 percent in the polls. If you want your budget, you'll have to get someone else to sit in this chair!" Not surprisingly, we didn't make a deal.
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What I *really* wonder about is how in-line "Tea Party thinking" is to "Republican thinking". I think the Tea Party has Boehner by the short hairs.
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And if you think it will be forgotten by 2012, this is just a preview of much bigger 2012 budget battles.
That's just one other good reason this shutdown will be forgotten.
We're looking at an even bigger fight over the next budget due in a few months and the one next year before the election. But that's alo a reason Boehner might just get something done for this past due budget. Even if unacceptable to the TEA Party and 'bid cutters' they can really hit the next two budgets.
Fern
Hit with what? If GOP folds now, what leverage do they have? Whatever big cuts they are dreaming of, Obama is just going to say: "Or else what, you are going to shut down the government? Go ahead, we've seen this movie."
Hit with what?
If I were Boehner I'd seriously think about bundling the current bill with the proposed budget for the year begining Sept 1. Obama should have forwarded his 9/1 budget to the House back in Feb, that ball's in their court now too.
Just blow this current issue right out of the water with a newer bigger bill cutting even more.
Fern
And if Obama vetoes it, then what? Shutdown the government?
I think if a bill reached Obama's desk by tomorrow night he would sign in, no question in my mind.
And if Obama vetoes it, then what? Shutdown the government?
It is going to be a very bad week next week if they shut down. I live near a lot of large military bases and the marines here are more than pissed off at the idea that they will not get paid but congress will. One guy said the idea that his wife and kids would not be able to buy groceries or pay bills while politicians eat prime rib was enough to make a marine want to start shooting. I'm sure he was joking or at least I hope he was.
The irony is delicious. Tea Partiers and Birthers hold the Repub's fate in the next election in ways they can't even comprehend...
Reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles where the black sheriff holds a gun to his own head... It worked in the movie, so let's see how it works in real life.
I think if a bill reached Obama's desk by tomorrow night he would sign in, no question in my mind.
Boehner has a problem.
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Irresistable force say "hello" to immovable object.
Fern
For anybody ho missed it, Repubs speak with forked tongue wrt fiscal responsibility. They insisted on extending ~$70B/yr in what were supposedly temporary tax breaks to the top 2%, and now want to make up half the difference taking it out of the hides of everybody else.
And their base laps it up the way a dog laps up antifreeze...
If a clean bill was passed with the 34 billion in cuts with no writers by the senate he has already stated it would get signed...
Obama and the senate has to protect planned parenthood since the middle AND base would throw a tea party style hissifit-warranted IMHO-
The public remembered eye of newt grandstanding talking about shutting it down long after the Clinton election.. CNN and the other news stations at the time replayed those scenes OVER AND OVER for months....have you seen pence and the tea party caucus chanting?
Those scenes are priceless....
Lastly Obama will be seen in a very moderate light since he can honestly say he ceded ALL of their initial requests and made a very concerted effort to compromise....the moving goal post makes the republicans look very bad...
What is with the obsession with planned parenthood? Just annul the damn thing, it is doing NOTHING but waste money. Face it.... people will have sex no matter of what planned parenthood say....
Though I don't think a shut down would be the worse thing in the world, it really isn't worth 30 billion in cuts.
I would suggest the republicans take the 30 billion and at the same time suggest to the democrats to offer more cuts to avert a shutdown.
If the shutdown was over something more meaningful I would support it but it really isn't worth 1% of the budget. Just make a deal already, someone, for gods sake. Lets just end this charade.
that 70 Billion saved Millions of small business jobs from being outsourced and saved the economy from looking like Cleveland in the late 70s....
besides poor people have it so good in this country, why would they need prenatal care or milk or food for their young children...food and prosperity trickles down !