On the budget, Obama has Republicans cornered

[EagleKeeper]

The American people associate the Government with the figurehead in the White House.

The government shuts down, they will blame the White House no matter what the reason might be.

The Repub can say that the House passed a budget and sent it to the Senate.
The Senate has refused to accept the budget and seems to be not willing to set up a joint committee to iron out the differences.

This is the type of US government that is taught in high school to the present voters.
Because the Senate is Dem controlled (have a majority) the voters will associate the Dems with the White House and implicitly assign a shutdown to them not doing their job (getting the budget passed).

Remember the the House changed hands because the voters did not like the job that the Dems were doing at the time.

Now if the Dems still are not able to keep the government running, who will be the next to go.

Voters can easily be reminded of such happening through campaign ads (accurate or not).

People her at P&N may be more politically astute than the average voter and therefore unable to think like them.

 

[soundforbjt]

Guess you don't remember the last shutdown and who was blamed.

 

[Tom]

Guess you don't remember the last shutdown and who was blamed.

Exactly. And before that shut down, Gingrich was sure Clinton would be blamed.

 

[her209]

Senators are calling the House Republicans' bluff... a bill is being debated right now that will continue payments to the troops in the event of a shutdown. Basically, its the House Republican bill passed yesterday sans the 1-week extension and $12B in cuts.
http://www.canadaviews.ca/2011/04/0...rt-personnel-if-gov%E2%80%99t-shuts-down/

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Exactly. And before that shut down, Gingrich was sure Clinton would be blamed.

"They did it again" is going to be an awfully powerful soundbite.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Please don't fall for libtard propaganda. Abortion is just one of many issues holding this up (though it is the biggest problem facing our country today). The rest can be seen here:

http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OMB_Watch-HR1_Policy_Riders.pdf

How in the hell is abortion the biggest problem facing our country today?

You want to stop birth control, you want to stop abortion, you want to stop welfare, yet you're too ignorant to realize that all 3 of these things are completely interdependent on each other. If you eliminate birth control and abortion, you only raise the number of women who will be looking for welfare. If you eliminate all 3, then you basically have Mexico, dirty little kids in the street everywhere starving because the government won't make an effort to keep women from pumping out more babies they can't afford and yet they won't make an effort to feed or put clothes on them, and nobody wants to adopt minority babies unless they get to fly to Asia to pick one out, so nobody here is going to adopt those black or Mexican babies that are just standard U.S. issue.

The ideology involved in the anti-abortion and anti-birth control groups totally floors me. It's not like you're going to hell because someone else had an abortion, get over yourself, you can't save everybody when you won't even save one.

 

[PeshakJang]

How in the hell is abortion the biggest problem facing our country today?

You want to stop birth control, you want to stop abortion, you want to stop welfare, yet you're too ignorant to realize that all 3 of these things are completely interdependent on each other. If you eliminate birth control and abortion, you only raise the number of women who will be looking for welfare. If you eliminate all 3, then you basically have Mexico, dirty little kids in the street everywhere starving because the government won't make an effort to keep women from pumping out more babies they can't afford and yet they won't make an effort to feed to put clothes on them, and nobody wants to adopt minority babies unless they get to fly to Asia to pick one out, so nobody here is going to adopt those black or Mexican babies that are just standard U.S. issue.

The ideology involved in the anti-abortion and anti-birth control groups totally floors me. It's not like you're going to hell because someone else had an abortion, get over yourself, you can't save everybody when you won't even save one.

The poster you are replying to is really just an alt-account of one of the resident liberals here... he likes posting the most stereotypical, radical ideas that he can think of to try and marginalize conservatives.

 

[Pens1566]

The idea that Obama has outwitted anyone in his life is hysterical. The Republicans are in control here and they are going to use this opportunity to stop funding un-American things that like Obamacare, increased fruits and vegetables in school lunches and the EPA.

Nonsense. He's convinced most that he was actually born in Hawaii ...

 

[Pens1566]

Please don't fall for libtard propaganda. Abortion is just one of many issues holding this up (though it is the biggest problem facing our country today). The rest can be seen here:

http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OMB_Watch-HR1_Policy_Riders.pdf

You're either the dumbest poster ever, or the worst parody poster ever.

 

[her209]

Nonsense. He's convinced most that he was actually born in Hawaii ...

And a Christian!

:awe:

 

[fskimospy]

The poster you are replying to is really just an alt-account of one of the resident liberals here... he likes posting the most stereotypical, radical ideas that he can think of to try and marginalize conservatives.

You and he should really get together. He comes up with stereotypical, cartoonish things for conservatives to think, and you come up with stereotypical, cartoonish things for liberals to think.

You're like the Abbot and Costello of horrible P&N posting!

 

[wuliheron]

I just don't see what the Republican strategy is here unless it's to make such a ruckus that they lock the Tea Party votes and demoralize everyone else to the point where they just stay home in 2012.

When in trouble,
When in doubt,
Run in circles,
Scream and Shout!

 

[fskimospy]

The American people associate the Government with the figurehead in the White House.

The government shuts down, they will blame the White House no matter what the reason might be.

The Repub can say that the House passed a budget and sent it to the Senate.
The Senate has refused to accept the budget and seems to be not willing to set up a joint committee to iron out the differences.

This is the type of US government that is taught in high school to the present voters.
Because the Senate is Dem controlled (have a majority) the voters will associate the Dems with the White House and implicitly assign a shutdown to them not doing their job (getting the budget passed).

Remember the the House changed hands because the voters did not like the job that the Dems were doing at the time.

Now if the Dems still are not able to keep the government running, who will be the next to go.

Voters can easily be reminded of such happening through campaign ads (accurate or not).

People her at P&N may be more politically astute than the average voter and therefore unable to think like them.

You do realize that what you wrote here is directly contradicted by US history, right? I mean like... the exact opposite happened.

 

[Ldir]

You do realize that what you wrote here is directly contradicted by US history, right? I mean like... the exact opposite happened.

Reality has a liberal bias.

 

[senseamp]

How in the hell is abortion the biggest problem facing our country today?

You want to stop birth control, you want to stop abortion, you want to stop welfare, yet you're too ignorant to realize that all 3 of these things are completely interdependent on each other. If you eliminate birth control and abortion, you only raise the number of women who will be looking for welfare. If you eliminate all 3, then you basically have Mexico, dirty little kids in the street everywhere starving because the government won't make an effort to keep women from pumping out more babies they can't afford and yet they won't make an effort to feed or put clothes on them, and nobody wants to adopt minority babies unless they get to fly to Asia to pick one out, so nobody here is going to adopt those black or Mexican babies that are just standard U.S. issue.

The ideology involved in the anti-abortion and anti-birth control groups totally floors me. It's not like you're going to hell because someone else had an abortion, get over yourself, you can't save everybody when you won't even save one.

It's not even about abortion, federal funding of that is already banned. It's about reducing access to contraception and STD testing for women.

 

[wuliheron]

It's not even about abortion, federal funding of that is already banned. It's about reducing access to contraception and STD testing for women.

They can't come through with their real promise of serious cutbacks so they're hoping to pacify their constituencies with whatever little piece of meat they can get.

 

[senseamp]

They can't come through with their real promise of serious cutbacks so they're hoping to pacify their constituencies with whatever little piece of meat they can get.

The irony is that it's going to increase abortions by reducing access to pregnancy preventing contraception.

 

[thraashman]

It's not even about abortion, federal funding of that is already banned. It's about reducing access to contraception and STD testing for women.

Things like this make me wonder how there's a single woman in this country that has ever voted Republican.

 

[wuliheron]

The irony is that it's going to increase abortions by reducing access to pregnancy preventing contraception.

Shooting yourself in the foot over ideology is a great American tradition.

 

[manimal]

The irony is that it's going to increase abortions by reducing access to pregnancy preventing contraception.

and the sad thing is those mothers are going to be an even bigger burden on the system because those children are going to be less healthy....



Does anyone else remember the mantra about the last election being about jobs?


I dont really remember any chants about unions or unhealthy fetus's..


back on topic-


the framer wins and with this fight Obama has that won. He comprimised first, he accepted their first proposal and now can stand behind saving a program which is VERY popular...


your move boner...

 

[her209]

Things like this make me wonder how there's a single woman in this country that has ever voted Republican.

Does Ann Coulter count as a woman?

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

The irony is that it's going to increase abortions by reducing access to pregnancy preventing contraception.

The real irony is that guys like John Boehner don't care one way or another, they play these cards because their base eats it up, not because they they have a specific belief one way or another. It's a constant game of weighing the number of voters they'll lose by letting something like Planned Parenthood slide compared to allowing the government shutdown to happen.

Well, my wife works for U.S. Law Enforcement, and apparently regardless of what happens, they're already in the process of forwarding most of their sites to the main DOI site and they're all sitting there waiting for it to happen.

Obviously, I'd rather this not happen, but at the same time when you have children fighting over who gets to swing the bat next, and no parents to make them form a line, someone usually ends up crying.

 

[HomerJS]

The pattern here is so obvious at the state and federal level these GOP fights over so called budget issues are not about spending but pushing social agenda


GOP agenda in order of importance

1. Limit access to abortion services
2. Eliminate labor unions
3. Cut taxes for the rich
4. Cut taxes for corporations
5. Eliminate regulations for corporations
.
.
125. reduce the deficit/debt by cutting spending
126. Jobs

 

[senseamp]

The problem for GOP is that what their base wants and what independent voters want are two different things. The wedge issues they've been playing with are now a wedge between their party and independents.

 

[waggy]

Damn you are fucking dense.
It's not a GOP issue, it's not a Dem issue. It's a politician issue. It doesn't matter what side of the isle one is from, both sides spend to much.
Though as we see from the last 2 years, the Dems spend more.
There is no denying that we are seriously screwed as a nation. Mainly because the people in Washington and the masses of people that vote, are so simple minded that they can only see things as Blue or Red.
Cut's need to be made everywhere.
Sure it will affect people, but what's worse. Some suffer or we all suffer.
Increasing taxes isn't the answer (well making "poor" people actually pay taxes is part of it if you want a fair share system).

oh god this.

its not a red or blue issue. i really really wish people would get over it. its all about their team winning people don't care about the cost it does to the nation (petranus and crieg are 2 great examples)