On the budget, Obama has Republicans cornered

[werepossum]

From what I can tell, they haven't stopped adding completely unrelated items to this budget, so this could still happen again.

Government funding for witch executions is essential.

I fail to see how funding a specific program is "completely unrelated" to this or any other budget. I would prefer that the Republicans drop the riders for this budget (the one the Democrats couldn't be bothered to pass) and pick it up in their 2012 budget or as a separate bill, but it's certainly not "completely unrelated".

What about us moderates that want to kill children AND pay the troops.

LOL +1

 

[her209]

What's Reid waiting for? Bring S. 724 to a vote!
http://www.examiner.com/congress-in-dallas/bipartisan-support-for-s-724-led-by-hutchison-and-casey

 

[JSt0rm]

What's Reid waiting for? Bring S. 724 to a vote!
http://www.examiner.com/congress-in-dallas/bipartisan-support-for-s-724-led-by-hutchison-and-casey

Why would the repugs stop the service men and women from getting paid over 17 million to planned parenthood?

 

[senseamp]

Yeah, they should pass the budget as a whole, not piecemeal.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Why would the repugs stop the service men and women from getting paid over 17 million to planned parenthood?

 

[comptr6]

Bullshit. The amount of money allocated to PP is such a tiny amount only a fool...or a republican would shut down the government over it.

Percentage of Federal Budget spent on Military: 20%
Percentage spent on Planned Parenthood: 0.01%

So why are the libs prepared to shutdown the government instead of cutting off planned parenthood?

 

[Nebor]

Why would the repugs stop the service men and women from getting paid over 17 million to planned parenthood?

Principal of the matter? You know politicians and their principals...

 

[mchammer187]

So why are the libs prepared to shutdown the government instead of cutting off planned parenthood?

Because the entire budget showdown was supposed to have been about exactly that cutting spending to lower the deficit.

Not pushing political ideology.

 

[senseamp]

So why are the libs prepared to shutdown the government instead of cutting off planned parenthood?

The GOP is shutting down the government by going off script. If you want to defund PP, make it a separate bill.

 

[SP33Demon]

So why are the repubs prepared to shutdown the government instead of cutting out planned parenthood from proposal?

FixedTFY

 

[jonks]

I fail to see how funding a specific program is "completely unrelated" to this or any other budget.

Not "completely" unrelated because yes, there's money involved, but for all intents and purposes it is unrelated to the budget because the insistence on the issue has nothing to do with the amount of money, other than the fact that it's greater than zero.

IOW, it's unrelated to fiscal concerns.

 

[werepossum]

Not "completely" unrelated because yes, there's money involved, but for all intents and purposes it is unrelated to the budget because the insistence on the issue has nothing to do with the amount of money, other than the fact that it's greater than zero.

IOW, it's unrelated to fiscal concerns.

I'd agree with that, but ignoring $20 million here and $20 million there is largely what got us into this mess. Any drag racer knows that the easiest way to cut a hundred pounds is to cut one pound in a hundred places. But arguably the 2011 budget the Democrats should have passed and did not is not the best place to address that.

 

[senseamp]

It's a poison pill. GOP knows it can't get through Senate and Presidential veto, because Democrats would never throw women under the bus like that. So this is designed to shut down the government.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I can't believe Mike Pence, not only has he been cheering on the shutdown, he is apparently the one behind this Planned Parenthood rider and has stated on record he'd shut down the government over the issue:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/mike-pence-says-hed-shut-down-government-d
I didn't think he could manage being a bigger douche than he was in the healthcare fiasco, but boy has he proven me wrong.

 

[senseamp]

Yep, that's why this is the GOP shutdown of government, no matter how they try to spin it. They just can't control themselves in openly cheering for it.

 

[dbk]

The dems have already compromised to $78b! Isn't that enough??! Does the tea party really want $100b? what's the justification for that figure??

 

[jonks]

I'd agree with that, but ignoring $20 million here and $20 million there is largely what got us into this mess.

Is it? I don't think that's so. We're talking multiple trillions now. You'd have to spend $20 million 50,000 times to get to 1 trillion. We're in this mess because billions are spent/wasted/pick-a-verb and not balanced against income (among other reasons). What do we have to offset the billions all the wars cost us each month? Zip. There's zero sacrifice asked of us, and I think you know what the response would be if Obama used the word "shared" sacrifice. "Should be invade Iraq/Lybia/Afghanistan?" "Hell yeah!" "Ok, we're gonna need to raise a little bit of taxes to cover that." "Fuck no you socialist!" Bush could have asked for more from us too. Instead he asked us to go shopping and signed a billion dollar entitlement program. Man this shit is depressing.

 

[senseamp]

Hehe

 

[werepossum]

Is it? I don't think that's so. We're talking multiple trillions now. You'd have to spend $20 million 50,000 times to get to 1 trillion. We're in this mess because billions are spent/wasted/pick-a-verb and not balanced against income (among other reasons). What do we have to offset the billions all the wars cost us each month? Zip. There's zero sacrifice asked of us, and I think you know what the response would be if Obama used the word "shared" sacrifice. "Should be invade Iraq/Lybia/Afghanistan?" "Hell yeah!" "Ok, we're gonna need to raise a little bit of taxes to cover that." "Fuck no you socialist!" Bush could have asked for more from us too. Instead he asked us to go shopping and signed a billion dollar entitlement program. Man this shit is depressing.

We ARE spending $20 million 50,000 times, that's the problem. Everything that someone sees as a good cause gets a few million whipped on it, huge bureaucracies are formed to oversee all these programs, and then the programs agitate for more money and the bureaucracies agitate for more programs. That's how we've grown the budget into such an economy-crushing size, a few million at a time.

I agree on the wars though. I think anytime that Congress authorizes military action it should include the words "We declare war on ___" and be accompanied by a special tax, paid by EVERY working American citizen, to cover the cost of the war or deployment, including replacement systems for war loss or accelerated wear.

 

[werepossum]

Hehe

Problem with these signs is that they SHOULD be saying "John Boehner, fund my vagina." These women are insisting that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor, taken under threat of force (just ask Wesley Snipes), for family planning, contraception, and abortion. VERY hypocritical to insist that someone stay out of your vagina whilst also demanding that they fund its care and upkeep.

 

[JSt0rm]

Do the republicans realize that more then half of Americans are women?

 

[JSt0rm]

Problem with these signs is that they SHOULD be saying "John Boehner, fund my vagina." These women are insisting that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor, taken under threat of force (just ask Wesley Snipes), for family planning, contraception, and abortion. VERY hypocritical to insist that someone stay out of your vagina whilst also demanding that they fund its care and upkeep.

The issue for republicans is the wedge issue of abortion. But we all know they didnt really expect the dems to take them up on this offer. The republicans used that issue to make sure the government shut down. Thats what they wanted all along nothing less.

 

[ccbadd]

The dems have already compromised to $78b! Isn't that enough??! Does the tea party really want $100b? what's the justification for that figure??

Hell no, we need to cut more like $1T! Quit bitching about $100B. The 2008 budget went from $2.7T to $3.5T the last time a budget was passed, thats $800B added. Why can't they at least go back to that amount?? I can't believe there are still people out there that don't realize that if we keep spending like this, we ALL loose!

 

[senseamp]

Problem with these signs is that they SHOULD be saying "John Boehner, fund my vagina." These women are insisting that they are entitled to the fruits of someone else's labor, taken under threat of force (just ask Wesley Snipes), for family planning, contraception, and abortion. VERY hypocritical to insist that someone stay out of your vagina whilst also demanding that they fund its care and upkeep.

Whatcha gonna do, shut the government over it?

 

[Fern]

Is it? I don't think that's so. We're talking multiple trillions now. You'd have to spend $20 million 50,000 times to get to 1 trillion.
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Government should do what business does.

If a 10% spending cut is needed, you look at every line item on the budget. In aggregate, cutting those numerous small items can be meaningful too.

Fern