On the budget, Obama has Republicans cornered

[senseamp]

It's all bullshit.

And whenever I hear a Democrat in the media saying the Republicans are so extreme they will shut down the government because they don't want women to receive health services...

NOBODY in America believes this to be true. Except for the extreme partisans who only want to see "the other side" destroyed. This country is so fucked by our government run by sound-bytes.

GOP can take it out of the budget bill. They wanted a sound-byte to tell their anti-choice base. Now they are knee deep in it.

 

[cubby1223]

Here's the kicker on how ridiculously stupid this is...

For all the money that gets thrown into politics by "the left" to elect leaders to stand behind the funding of Planned Parenthood...

Instead those campaign donations could just be used instead to fund abortions at Planned Parenthood.

That way everyone wins. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services, and the government functions.

But instead, well, I just don't get it I guess.

Same thing with Pelosi's "concerns" over meals to the elderly. Just send a damn check out of your own fucking bank account and they're fed. It still is possible to do things in this country without an act of congress...

 

[wuliheron]

It still is possible to do things in this country without an act of congress...

Anarchist!

 

[bfdd]

Funding for womens preventative health is going to be a tough one to win. This was likely to go Obama's way even before this got framed as a womens health issue, but now it's a slam dunk. But if you want to go all in on a losing hand, by all means.

I don't disagree with you, it's an important thing, but so is being fiscally responsible. In fact being fiscally responsible is more important than that because we cannot even focus on womens health unless we have the fiscal responsibility to fund it. Like I said, start stripping out all the support in the budget for non-governmental entities and lets see how much we can save. After that we can debate what non-governmental entities deserve funds, if available.

 

[senseamp]

I don't disagree with you, it's an important thing, but so is being fiscally responsible. In fact being fiscally responsible is more important than that because we cannot even focus on womens health unless we have the fiscal responsibility to fund it. Like I said, start stripping out all the support in the budget for non-governmental entities and lets see how much we can save. After that we can debate what non-governmental entities deserve funds, if available.

Yeah, I am sure defense contractors are going to let this happen
Targeting womens health is a way to lose a budget argument, but GOP just couldn't restrain themselves. This is what happens, one idiot (Pence in this case, but I am sure there are others lined up) proposes something stupid but popular with the base. Rest of GOP then has to vote for it for fear of a primary opponent, base rallies around the issue, and then they are stuck with defending it, even if it causes a government shutdown and the rest of the country wants none of it.

 

[bfdd]

Yeah, I am sure defense contractors are going to let this happen
Targeting womens health is a way to lose a budget argument, but GOP just couldn't restrain themselves. This is what happens, one idiot (Pence in this case, but I am sure there are others lined up) proposes something stupid but popular with the base. Rest of GOP then has to vote for it for fear of a primary opponent, base rallies around the issue, and then they are stuck with defending it, even if it causes a government shutdown and the rest of the country wants none of it.

Fuck the defense contractors too. You don't seem to understand the level of "don't give a fuck" I have for these kinds of things. Remember I've also advocated the complete crash of the USA economy, fuck the stimulus and bailouts. Failures need to fail.

 

[JSt0rm]

Remember I've also advocated the complete crash of the USA economy, fuck the stimulus and bailouts. Failures need to fail.

lol. Clearly you dont have anything.

 

[mchammer187]

Money is fungible.

C'mon, we all know how the game works. You give money to an organization that performs abortions but tell them they cannot use it for abortions, so with your new money they can now reallocate some of their non-abortion funds over to abortion purposes. Other than 'careful acounting' it's the same as giving money for abortions.

Fern

that still doesn't address why this needs to be done in the name of reducing the deficit which what this whole debate was supposed to be about

100 billion in cuts and keeping some federal funding on PP vs no other cuts except stopping funding planned parenthood.

I think tea partiers would rather see the later than the former.

The Tea Party ran and won on Fiscal Policy and now are trying to push their social agenda which appears to be far more important to them.

 

[bfdd]

lol. Clearly you dont have anything.

Anything what? I had no hand in this financial collapse. I didn't take out a bad loan, I paid my taxes, I didn't vote for all the idiots causing problems. You're right I don't have anything, except a willingness to share in the suffering our people are and will be going through when the inevitable collapse happens.

 

[Fern]

that still doesn't address why this needs to be done in the name of reducing the deficit which what this whole debate was supposed to be about

100 billion in cuts and keeping some federal funding on PP vs no other cuts except stopping funding planned parenthood.

I think tea partiers would rather see the later than the former.

The Tea Party ran and won on Fiscal Policy and now are trying to push their social agenda which appears to be far more important to them.

They are working to cut the budget. This should mean cutting programs both large and small.

If both sides want to cut only the other side's pet programs and not their own we're in for a long period of this kind of BS.

If the Dems are so enamored of PP they will agree to cut a bunch of other stuff to keep it, fine. But I highly doubt that. If they believe that PP is so danged important I suspect they'll feel that way about all almost every give-away tprogram there is. I suspect this one program is at the fore because both sides feel they can play politics with it to their own advantage.

IMO, just cut it, cut most all of it. Women should be getting their HC thru Obamacare anyway, not PP.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

It's not about federal spending at all, never was. It's about right wing ideology- a double pander. On one side, they pander to the fundie fringe with the attack on PP, and on the other, they pander to their financial base with the attack on the EPA and the IRS.

If they can sell out the fundies to cripple the EPA and the IRS, they'll do it in a heartbeat. To understand all things Republican, just follow the money.

 

[comptr6]

It's not about federal spending at all, never was. It's about right wing ideology- a double pander. On one side, they pander to the fundie fringe with the attack on PP, and on the other, they pander to their financial base with the attack on the EPA and the IRS.

If they can sell out the fundies to cripple the EPA and the IRS, they'll do it in a heartbeat. To understand all things Republican, just follow the money.

What difference does the reasoning make? It's what America voted for. It's what Americans wants to see happen and right now Obamma and the libtards are standing in America's way.

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=15893

 

[Tom]

Here's the kicker on how ridiculously stupid this is...

For all the money that gets thrown into politics by "the left" to elect leaders to stand behind the funding of Planned Parenthood...

Instead those campaign donations could just be used instead to fund abortions at Planned Parenthood.

That way everyone wins. Planned Parenthood provides abortion services, and the government functions.

But instead, well, I just don't get it I guess.

Same thing with Pelosi's "concerns" over meals to the elderly. Just send a damn check out of your own fucking bank account and they're fed. It still is possible to do things in this country without an act of congress...

No government money funds abortions. Planned Parenthood receives private donations to provide those services.

The money PP receives from the government funds women's health things, like pap smears.
And PP is only one of the providers, the Republicans want to cut all the funding for womens' health, not just to PP.

If Republicans win, it's likely some poorer women will not get screened and will either die, or lose the ability to have children. That's how Republicans roll.

 

[Steeplerot]

What difference does the reasoning make? It's what America voted for. It's what Americans wants to see happen and right now Obamma and the libtards are standing in America's way.

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=15893

It's like a big steamy troll turd plopped into the thread that vaguely resembles Mussolini. You improve your skillset comrade!

 

[evident]

Fuck the defense contractors too. You don't seem to understand the level of "don't give a fuck" I have for these kinds of things. Remember I've also advocated the complete crash of the USA economy, fuck the stimulus and bailouts. Failures need to fail.

that's a retarded, narrow minded, dumbass tea party mentality that's wrong with the right

 

[senseamp]

Looks like GOP folded and PP is going to be funded

 

[Nebor]

Looks like GOP folded and PP is going to be funded

Good. Don't they realize that funding abortions will just cut down on future democrats anyway?

 

[Jhhnn]

Good. Don't they realize that funding abortions will just cut down on future democrats anyway?

It was where they intended to fold, anyway- it was just a sop to the fundies, anyway, and the GOP sells them out as a matter of course.

I'd like to see the details before making any judgments, because cuts to the EPA, IRS and SEC are the real Repub targets, anyway.

It's hard for watchdogs to do their job when they're starving, and that's what the financial elite wants out of this little drama...

Freepers panties in a knot? And that's different somehow?

 

[Tom]

Money is fungible.

C'mon, we all know how the game works. You give money to an organization that performs abortions but tell them they cannot use it for abortions, so with your new money they can now reallocate some of their non-abortion funds over to abortion purposes. Other than 'careful acounting' it's the same as giving money for abortions.

Fern

No, it really isn't the same.

PP will still provide abortions with private donations if the government funding for cancer screening is cut.

And what about the women's health care providers that don't provide abortions at all ? They were also cut.

 

[charrison]

Looks like GOP folded and PP is going to be funded

Either that or they were just using that rider to get more out of the democrats. looks like the republicans walked away with 80% of the cuts they wanted. I can handle victories like that.

 

[Tom]

I don't disagree with you, it's an important thing, but so is being fiscally responsible. In fact being fiscally responsible is more important than that because we cannot even focus on womens health unless we have the fiscal responsibility to fund it. Like I said, start stripping out all the support in the budget for non-governmental entities and lets see how much we can save. After that we can debate what non-governmental entities deserve funds, if available.

You start from a philosophy that nothing the government does is good, if you didn't you wouldn't insist the only solution is cutting spending, not raising taxes.

So you and others with that philosophy are ok with women dying of cancer when for a few dollars each, they don't have too.

That's what hating the government means. Real people. Dead.

 

[Tom]

Either that or they were just using that rider to get more out of the democrats. looks like the republicans walked away with 80% of the cuts they wanted. I can handle victories like that.

I agree. We all won. I give Boehner credit for being able to maintain party discipline and we end up with a reasonable compromise.

 

[charrison]

You start from a philosophy that nothing the government does is good, if you didn't you wouldn't insist the only solution is cutting spending, not raising taxes.

So you and others with that philosophy are ok with women dying of cancer when for a few dollars each, they don't have too.

That's what hating the government means. Real people. Dead.

I disagree with that statement. There is tons of money raised privately for cancer research. You are under the false assumption that there would be no cancer research if govt did not do it.

 

[Tom]

I disagree with that statement. There is tons of money raised privately for cancer research. You are under the false assumption that there would be no cancer research if govt did not do it.

This isn't about research, it's about treatment.

But in either case, we should have both. Private funds and public funds.

Which is what we have, because it's better that way, and a majority of people agree with that.

 

[senseamp]

Either that or they were just using that rider to get more out of the democrats. looks like the republicans walked away with 80% of the cuts they wanted. I can handle victories like that.

If GOP got 80% of what they wanted, if we have a double dip recession, it's 80% their fault.