/set_reminder unblock Moonbeam 30days!
nah, he's not a bad guy, i don't want to perma-block him. I'm just giving him a 30-day holiday, so to speak.I'm confused .... if you hated him you would UN-block?
I don't bother ignoring anyone on here anymore because all it does is prevent properly following threads and hide content BUT if I did it would be for the exact opposite reason.... anyone I "hated" would be top of my list to block.
nah, he's not a bad guy, i don't want to perma-block him. I'm just giving him a 30-day holiday, so to speak.
I could not have voiced these sentiments better.I think you have started the wrong place. I'm not American, and while it seems like you have taken this to the extreme it is a problem for all democracies: How to keep political corruption in check, how to separate the political and the juridical system and create public political culture where you can debate politics instead of corrupt politicians and conspiracy theories. This forum is just a mirror of what is happening everywhere.
If you want a debate where your opinions are being taken seriously, then you also need to be ready to listen to and reason with the arguments. Most people enter a debate because they want to voice their opinion, but maybe they should rather join a debate because they would like to understand their opponents.
I could not have voiced these sentiments better.
If "not American", then where are you? Somewhere among the English-speaking "Five Eyes"?
Mill and I are different in that he delineated with enormous intelligence what issues democracies face, I am seconding his points with the psychological realities that produce them.
I am saying that while you do not believe you are dishonest in lashing out, that, in fact, it is dishonest to do so. There is deep wisdom to be learned from ‘let he who is without sin cast the first stone’.
Obviously, I would be doing just that, casting stones, if my intent was to condemn your behavior. I feel all the same feelings as you do. I just can’t rationally defend them.” I can see that the unconscious contempt on the right is scary. But I think there is are at least ways to react to threat, like a conservative and like a real liberal.
If I'm not mistaken he's (?) Dutch.
Danish, but a somewhat common American mistake mixing Danish and Dutch.
Personal preference of course but compared to the nutters in df and nb, ill take one of her any day. Its the rise of populism, its a nut cracker. Wouldnt it be something, that the thing that is supposed to connect us all, the internet, is the very thing that ends up breaking us, social media? How is that for Irony.I actually think the topic is quite relevant, and it is always a good idea to look at the group you are a part of to see if you have blind spots, and if your behaviour is bullying those who are of a different opinion.
But with that said not all opinions carry the same weight, and to me it is very important to be distinctive about when it is an opinion/statement and when it is something
Danish, but a somewhat common American mistake mixing Danish and Dutch.
Oh, and in our next election we will probably have new right wing party, which has a leader who has gotten a prison sentence at the "rigsret" (special parliamentary judge) for lying to the parliament and has said she has done nothing wrong and would do the same again. (13 out 14 high Court judges ruled guilty), and the rest of the right wing parliament cannot wait give her a place in a possible new government. While she has been compared to Trump, she is not as far as he is.
No problem, I don't think I would do very well if I had to place all the states in US on a map, and I would also have trouble with some of the Eastern European countries too.Hey I was close! (sorry)
I am aware the Netherlands and Denmark are entirely different places!
I could not have voiced these sentiments better.
You keep posting it as your own and only occasionally and separately crediting the source. That's called plagiarism. Even when you modify it. Especially when you modify it. Discussing how changes to the text can change the intent would be a meaningful discussion, but everybody reading needs to know that from the start.Still not happy I see.
How about instead of, "Like other tyrannies, the tyranny of the majority was at first, and is still vulgarly, held in dread, chiefly as operating through the acts of the public authorities. But reflecting persons perceived that when society is itself the tyrant—society collectively, over the separate individuals who compose it—its means of tyrannizing are not restricted to the acts which it may do by the hands of its political functionaries.", we change it to: A fact about tyrannies in general, the tyranny of the majority included, is that they were from the first regarded by ordinary people as frighteningly negative chiefly when expressed as actions of the power holders of society. But for anyone willing to look deeper, it can be seen that society itself, and not just the public authorities, can function as tyrannical and specifically over societies individuals.
The reason that I did not find a rebuttal relevant was that I had already made it clear that I did not write the post you had trouble with grammatically etc except for some minor changes so gave you the pure original to see if you still felt the same and which it seems you did.
Now the two paragraphs that I quoted I chose because they are points I have made over and over but over which I am attacked in all sorts of ways for making, so I decided to make the same points but made by a rank genius and someone of world wide respect. I did so to demonstrate the tyranny of the majority in action, the automatic assumption that anything I say is basically absurd and generally speaking not worth reading, psychobabble, you name it, and all because I say that people on the left are losing their capacity to reason due to the stress and fear they have of conservatives. Instead of rational liberals we see a pack of snapping cornered dogs or a bunch of Trump supporters.
Consider the possibility that instead of me complaining about people treating me badly and wanting them to stop, I am trying to warn others that our facile capacity to attribute negative intent to others may be a projection of our own fear and that we create what we fear. Good luck.
Here's the essay if you want to get out your red pencil: https://www.econlib.org/library/Mill/mlLbty.html
I took paragraph 5 and 6 I believe.
I'm not sure what provoked your post here. I happened to notice that biostud had remarked something that I'd thought myself many times.I found myself unsure of how to interpret parts of his post. Perhaps, since you are sure it aligns with your own view you can tell me what you heard that you approve of:
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"I think you have started the wrong place."
The best I can do on this is to think I should have started on Tyranny generally rather than on tyranny of the majority on this forum or even just tyranny of the majority in the US. Because........
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"I'm not American, and while it seems like you have taken this to the extreme it is a problem for all democracies:
I am not sure if he means by you, me personally in this forum, or we Americans generally in our political life. How do you read it? I read that the issue may be more extreme here than elsewhere but in any case it certainly is the issue I as trying to illuminate.
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"How to keep political corruption in check, how to separate the political and the juridical system and create public political culture where you can debate politics instead of corrupt politicians and conspiracy theories. This forum is just a mirror of what is happening everywhere."
I am nor sure if he is just seconding the point I have tried to make in this thread or trying to say I am essentially wasting my time as it is everywhere. What I tried to do was to show that people in this forum in fact do mirror what is happening everywhere and all I had to do to show that was to point out that fact to some of the members.
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"If you want a debate where your opinions are being taken seriously, then you also need to be ready to listen to and reason with the arguments. Most people enter a debate because they want to voice their opinion, but maybe they should rather join a debate because they would like to understand their opponents."
This was the point I was trying to make, that when liberals are challenged as deaf and incapable reflexively of reason some are more than willing to prove it in spades.
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Would appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
For me it isn't just a something. It is a critical point necessary to understand for our survival. We create what we fear. I believe that what we fear is re-experiencing our deepest feelings, the experiences of childhood where we were put down as a threat to the reputation of the family, the group, the team, the party, the nation, humanity and proper morality itself. In ordinary circumstances of relative plenty and social progress, where there is a feeling that justice prevails, the liberal mind can flower. But when things turn to the negative and some 'other' is blamed the liberal turns into a conservative filled with contempt, in the liberal's case, with people who promulgate divisive fear. That just creates more of what we fear. When the water in the toilet bowl starts to experience the Coriolis force the left and the right start paddling in the same direction with it.I actually think the topic is quite relevant, and it is always a good idea to look at the group you are a part of to see if you have blind spots, and if your behaviour is bullying those who are of a different opinion.
But with that said not all opinions carry the same weight, and to me it is very important to be distinctive about when it is an opinion/statement and when it is something
No attempt by me was made to otherwise suggest "there's not one forthcoming argument they make that's either consistent or reasonable". My effort is to suggest how liberals can help them along by not becoming tyrants themselves out of that very fear.I'm not sure what provoked your post here. I happened to notice that biostud had remarked something that I'd thought myself many times.
On the matter of your initial topic and post, I'm not sure I care so much -- - whether the forum mirrors something else, whether there's a tyranny of a majority. The GOP opposition wants a tyranny of a majority, even if they don't quite make the majority grade but only capture certain elective offices through subterfuge and the Electoral College. That's why they've stacked the Supremes -- which have overturned precedent accepted or desired by a majority. For the rest of it, there's not one forthcoming argument they make that's either consistent or reasonable.
Have you been speeding up your mind by smoking Meth or something? Or have you been reading the works of Francis Bacon -- famous for single sentences in paragraphs that spanned two pages?
Maybe I posted too quickly here, but I was only responding to biostud's remarks. Did he say he's Danish? That's great, and great to see we're all together on many things . . .
I'm going to return to my project of fixing dinner for Moms . . .
TLDR You aren't worth listening to. Nobody cares what you think. You're a laughing stock goat etc. Please, everybody, disregard what this nut case, I didn't read, says. It's pure bull shit, Write it off before you even begin. It will just be nonsense as we all know. No need to ban him or put him on ignore. You can do all of that by reflex. Don't allow this virus to get inside your mind. Never question, never think, never analyses or respond with reason. Put this guy in a box labeled nut case and stick him away somewhere on a dusty shelf.You keep posting it as your own and only occasionally and separately crediting the source. That's called plagiarism. Even when you modify it. Especially when you modify it. Discussing how changes to the text can change the intent would be a meaningful discussion, but everybody reading needs to know that from the start.
"Tyranny of the majority" implies authority through majority, and that through that authority they ignore or mistreat minorities. A left-leaning majority here is still just individuals making personal statements, possibly forming a consensus, but it isn't tyranny. Tyranny of the majority would be us having a voting system to suspend or ban individuals through majority vote.
See, straight to the point. We can all agree this is the majority opinion on your posts 🤣TLDR You aren't worth listening to. Nobody cares what you think. You're a laughing stock goat etc. Please, everybody, disregard what this nut case, I didn't read, says. It's pure bull shit, Write it off before you even begin. It will just be nonsense as we all know. No need to ban him or put him on ignore. You can do all of that by reflex. Don't allow this virus to get inside your mind. Never question, never think, never analyses or respond with reason. Put this guy in a box labeled nut case and stick him away somewhere on a dusty shelf.
How typical that you thought you got the point.See, straight to the point. We can all agree this is the majority opinion on your posts 🤣