One good lawyer and he is in Iraq! (Jessica Lynch)

[etech]

Did anyone else see the news clip of the four journalists that made it out of Iraq the other night. They were detained in an Iraqi jail for about a week.

One of them was a Dane. He was asked if they were hurt while they were in jail. He shuddered and said no, they weren't hurt but the Iraqis that were in the jails were.(paraphrased from memory)

The look on his face said much much more.

 

[Iwentsouth]

Originally posted by: etech
Did anyone else see the news clip of the four journalists that made it out of Iraq the other night. They were detained in an Iraqi jail for about a week.

One of them was a Dane. He was asked if they were hurt while they were in jail. He shuddered and said no, they weren't hurt but the Iraqis that were in the jails were.(paraphrased from memory)

The look on his face said much much more.

I saw that clip. Here is another one of the reporters talking about it.

Never seen, only heard: the sickening crunch of bone

 

[etech]

Iwentsouth

That's the one I was thinking of. Thanks for the article.

 

[Dangermouse33]

Originally posted by: Morph
They slapped her eh? Monsters!

You are a coldhearted jerk, Punkass.

Edit: Props to the courageous Iraqi lawyer that did the right thing.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: Morph
They slapped her eh? Monsters!

How did you become such a cold hearted bastard?

It is the irony of people like Morph that kill me. They are so cold hearted yet they want to call Bush bloodthirsty and coldhearted. It almost makes my head spark.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: Morph
You guys are like a pack of rabid dogs, just waiting to pounce on anyone that isn't patriotic enough. Not that I need to explain myself to the likes of you, but I wasn't trying to diminish what this girl has been through. I'm sure she's been through a trying ordeal. Then again, I don't know what happened and neither do any of you. But you are all so quick to demonize her captors, assuming that they've committed all these hideous acts of torture and other evil.

She could have been worse off. Look at the way POWs were treated in Vietnam. That's what happens when you wreak such devastation on an enemy that is near-helpless against you because of all your superior war machinery. They will retaliate in any way they can. I definitely feel bad for her and I'm glad she was rescued. But I keep it in perspective when i think about all the coalition soldiers who have lost their lives, along with the thousands of Iraqis who have been slaughtered.

I can't believe you are trying to justify the actions of the Iraqis just because they are so much weaker than we are! That is completely absurd. I am not surprised that they committed horrible acts to our POWs. However, just because we are stronger does not absolve the Iraqis of responsibility. Sure they are going to fight dirty. They don't have a chance. It doesn't make it right for them to mis-treat POWs.

Ryan

 

[shurato]

To get back on to topic..i read that article and it gave me the good chills...simply awesome.
To Morph....yes they slapped her, but if you read the article, the lawyer clearly thought that she would not
make it out of the war alive....this guy risked his own life to save someone he did not know.
Do us a favor and go away.

 

[RossGr]

This man is proof that there are good, caring people in every culture that is good.

Morph, on the other hand, is clearly cut from a different cloth. I am sure that Morph would not have risked himself, after all it was only a slap. Perhaps Morph is even of the type (which also exists in every culture) who likes to cozzy up to those in powerful postions, perhaps Morph would have stepped into the room and offered to help spread her legs a little wider open?

Really Morph, it is all about mans inhumanity to man, surely you can find something positive to say of this mans actions, even if you do not agree with the war.

 

[Looney]

Wow, what an awesome story.

They slapped her eh? Monsters!

They probably did a lot more to her you moron. But at least that guy was willing to help even if all he saw were slaps. I wonder what you would have done.

 

[calpha]

Thanks for the great story and F*ck you morph.

If you had any understanding of what POWs go through, MENTALLY and PHYSICALLY, you'd never say a damn thing again.

I don't think you should leave the country, but you should damn sure be on the first plane to the next S.E.R.E course that the US offers. Why not take your logic a step further, and talk about all the innocent Germans who were being bombed to hell and back whcih gave them a reason to slaughter Jews, or torture POWs.

Or better yet, prove your compassion for the Iraqis and go over there and try to help them. Wear a big sign that says I'm an American, and see how you get treated.

 

[Leon]

Great story indeed.

You guys are like a pack of rabid dogs, just waiting to pounce on anyone that isn't patriotic enough. Not that I need to explain myself to the likes of you

Then don't. Go away. This forum would be a better place.

 

[prontospyder]

Originally posted by: exp
I sure hope that nothing happens to him in retaliation.

I'm guessing he may want to stay in Iraq at this point and see what life after Saddam is like, but if he wants it I say give his whole family American citizenship and a plane ride over here.

I agree. This is one brave family.

 

[aswedc]

I've got to applaud this guy. Thats one courageous act indeed.

They slapped her eh? Monsters!

Yeah I'm sure they're really nice people, we just misunderstand them. Those 11 dead POW's must have just been an accident...

 

[prontospyder]

In this article, he expressed interest in visiting America and his wife offered to treat injured soldiers.

 

[Sxotty]

Originally posted by: Morph
They slapped her eh? Monsters!

How do you think she got 2 broken legs and a broken arm and a fubared back?

 

[Alistar7]

His home was also raided, Saddam's men know he did this and took EVERY possesion in his house, they need to bring him and his family stateside for a little shopping spree american style, the govt can afford this small gesture.

A lawyer, hhhmmm, can we trade our lawyers for theirs?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Sxotty

Originally posted by: Morph
They slapped her eh? Monsters!

How do you think she got 2 broken legs and a broken arm and a fubared back?

Not to mention she just dodged having her leg cut off needlessly......

 

[DoctorPizza]

His home was also raided, Saddam's men know he did this and took EVERY possesion in his house, they need to bring him and his family stateside for a little shopping spree american style, the govt can afford this small gesture.

Well why shouldn't they?

Americans execute people for treason, after all.

Taking their possessions -- which clearly they're not going to need any more -- is hardly worse than that.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: DoctorPizza

His home was also raided, Saddam's men know he did this and took EVERY possesion in his house, they need to bring him and his family stateside for a little shopping spree american style, the govt can afford this small gesture.

Well why shouldn't they?

Americans execute people for treason, after all.

Taking their possessions -- which clearly they're not going to need any more -- is hardly worse than that.

Yes you can be executed for treason, after a TRIAL....

In iraq you can be executed for a variety of reasons, not handing over your children for shields would be one of the "right" reasons though...?

 

[DoctorPizza]

Yes you can be executed for treason, after a TRIAL....

And you think that a trial makes state-sanctioned killing OK?

I don't. I don't care what trappings you give the killing -- it's still a killing. Killing with a trial is no better than killing summarily.

In any case, the US has demonstrated that it's willing to hold people without trial (Guantanamo Bay anyone?), so I'm sure it's just a matter of time before they start killing them without trial.

In iraq you can be executed for a variety of reasons, not handing over your children for shields would be one of the "right" reasons though...?

I don't believe that there is any "right" reason for a state to kill its citizens.

As such, I don't see a difference in nature between American and Iraqi killing of citizens, only in the degree -- the Iraqis can presumably be killed for a lot more offenses.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: DoctorPizza

Yes you can be executed for treason, after a TRIAL....

And you think that a trial makes state-sanctioned killing OK?

I don't. I don't care what trappings you give the killing -- it's still a killing. Killing with a trial is no better than killing summarily.

In any case, the US has demonstrated that it's willing to hold people without trial (Guantanamo Bay anyone?), so I'm sure it's just a matter of time before they start killing them without trial.

In iraq you can be executed for a variety of reasons, not handing over your children for shields would be one of the "right" reasons though...?

I don't believe that there is any "right" reason for a state to kill its citizens.

As such, I don't see a difference in nature between American and Iraqi killing of citizens, only in the degree -- the Iraqis can presumably be killed for a lot more offenses.

You see no difference between being considered innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law where most of the laws are designed to protect the defendent, and someone walking in your house and shooting your wife for waving at a helicopter....?

Are you that blind, or just that biased against the US? You assume we will start KILLING people at gtmo, what gives you that idea, those that have been released say they were treated very well. The Red Cross has said there is no mistreatment. Besides the people at gtmo ARE NOT CITIZENS, they are not affored the same rights as a US citizen. Iraqi people are citizens of their country though. So the people of gtmo are not really a relevant analogy.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: DoctorPizza

His home was also raided, Saddam's men know he did this and took EVERY possesion in his house, they need to bring him and his family stateside for a little shopping spree american style, the govt can afford this small gesture.

Well why shouldn't they?

Americans execute people for treason, after all.

Taking their possessions -- which clearly they're not going to need any more -- is hardly worse than that.

Jackass....tell me...when was the last time we executed someone for treason?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: jazzhound
That courageous man and his family just guarunteed themselves an American citizenship (if they so wish)

Might need it, Saddam would probably send his goons to rape and kill his family, then him.

May Al-Muhaymin look after him and his loved ones

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: jazzhound
That courageous man and his family just guarunteed themselves an American citizenship (if they so wish)

Might need it, Saddam would probably send his goons to rape and kill his family, then him.

May Al-Muhaymin look after him and his loved ones

"Saddam would probably send his goons to rape and kill his family, then him"

Well that's NO DIFFERENT than you getting arrested, being given a lawyer and a trial where the state would have to PROVE BEYOND ANY DOUBT you were guilty before you could be sentenced to death, and then your automatic appeal process would begin, etc....

Just ask Pizza why there is no difference...

 

[exp]

Pizza is awfully self-righteous for someone whose country has been death penalty-free for less than five years.