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rh71

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u people are nuts ! $1k is a lot of money ! Hell, $500 is too !
 

FreshPrince

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Originally posted by: rh71
u people are nuts ! $1k is a lot of money ! Hell, $500 is too !

it all depends on your situation...

if you're a father with 3 children..ya probably shouldn't be buying this monitor. However to us single guys...it isn't much. Hell, I can save a month to get this monitor.

Also, I paid $1K for my 21" sony trinitron years ago, and it was a damn good investment...I almost don't want to let it go. Maybe I'll run dual monitor
 

Anubis

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tbqhwy.com
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: rh71
u people are nuts ! $1k is a lot of money ! Hell, $500 is too !

it all depends on your situation...

if you're a father with 3 children..ya probably shouldn't be buying this monitor. However to us single guys...it isn't much. Hell, I can save a month to get this monitor.

Also, I paid $1K for my 21" sony trinitron years ago, and it was a damn good investment...I almost don't want to let it go. Maybe I'll run dual monitor

my friend just got a car, its cost 1100$

car >>>>>> LCD monitor

as ive said before, when i can get a 19in or greater LCD that does 1600x1200 native for 200-300$ i will get 1 or 2

seeing as i can get a 19in CRT that does 1600x1200 or greater for that ill stick with them till LCD prices drop that much, if they never do i guess ill have CRTs for life
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: rh71
u people are nuts ! $1k is a lot of money ! Hell, $500 is too !

it all depends on your situation...

if you're a father with 3 children..ya probably shouldn't be buying this monitor. However to us single guys...it isn't much. Hell, I can save a month to get this monitor.

Also, I paid $1K for my 21" sony trinitron years ago, and it was a damn good investment...I almost don't want to let it go. Maybe I'll run dual monitor
no need to save for a house or anything ?
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
the only refresh rate a crt is good for is 120Hz

unfortunately mine will only do it under 1024x768x32

I need to find a monitor that will do 1600x1200x32@120Hz!

anything below 120Hz hurts my eyes after a couple hours.

If you have a camera you can see what I'm talking about. Look at a monitor through the camera's viewfinder and you will see anything under 120Hz flickers like crazy...that's why my eyes hurt after a while. With 120Hz, my eyes are much more relaxed because I no longer see the flickering, in place is a slow steady image scroll. Give it a shot and you will never set your monitor under 120Hz again!

Now with LCDs, the refresh rate doesn't mean a thing, because you can set it at 60Hz and see no flickering through a viewfinder...

why? I have no idea!

Because LCD's do not 'scan' across like CRT's do. The pixels instead flick on and off from different colours. CRT's scan the image by lines thus why you see the flicker. I like above 100Hz myself on my CRT.

I have a 23" that runs 1920x1200. Great resolution. 2 would be amazing

I paid £2100 ~ $3500 2yrs ago. Great investment in a screen imo.

Koing
 

CTrain

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Sure $1000 is alot but if I was to use it for a PC and TV monitor.....its a bargain.
You can't find a 24 widescreen monitor anywhere close to $1000 and when you factor in it being used as a TV monitor....its a bargain.
 

Baked

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I can buy a pair, but I'm gonna wait for a cheaper LCD HD from costco.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
the only refresh rate a crt is good for is 120Hz

unfortunately mine will only do it under 1024x768x32

I need to find a monitor that will do 1600x1200x32@120Hz!

anything below 120Hz hurts my eyes after a couple hours.

If you have a camera you can see what I'm talking about. Look at a monitor through the camera's viewfinder and you will see anything under 120Hz flickers like crazy...that's why my eyes hurt after a while. With 120Hz, my eyes are much more relaxed because I no longer see the flickering, in place is a slow steady image scroll. Give it a shot and you will never set your monitor under 120Hz again!

Now with LCDs, the refresh rate doesn't mean a thing, because you can set it at 60Hz and see no flickering through a viewfinder...

why? I have no idea!

you honestly must have eyes like a hawk then because the human eye cant detect any difference in anything greater then 75Hz

i run dual 19in CRTs at 1600x1200 both a 75Hz you cant see flickering

and also to prove you wrong i just looked at both my monitors through my D70 and F100 and you cant see any flickering at 75Hz, i can set the 4x5 up for further proof but thats bnot needed IMO
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: Anubis
you honestly must have eyes like a hawk then because the human eye cant detect any difference in anything greater then 75Hz

i run dual 19in CRTs at 1600x1200 both a 75Hz you cant see flickering

and also to prove you wrong i just looked at both my monitors through my D70 and F100 and you cant see any flickering at 75Hz, i can set the 4x5 up for further proof but thats bnot needed IMO

You're flat out wrong on the limitations of the human eye, but even if you accept that perception of flicker is highly affected by surroundings. Interference with fluorescent lighting, for example, can make an otherwise tolerable refresh rate unbearable.

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

Some info there.

Viper GTS
 

FreshPrince

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
the only refresh rate a crt is good for is 120Hz

unfortunately mine will only do it under 1024x768x32

I need to find a monitor that will do 1600x1200x32@120Hz!

anything below 120Hz hurts my eyes after a couple hours.

If you have a camera you can see what I'm talking about. Look at a monitor through the camera's viewfinder and you will see anything under 120Hz flickers like crazy...that's why my eyes hurt after a while. With 120Hz, my eyes are much more relaxed because I no longer see the flickering, in place is a slow steady image scroll. Give it a shot and you will never set your monitor under 120Hz again!

Now with LCDs, the refresh rate doesn't mean a thing, because you can set it at 60Hz and see no flickering through a viewfinder...

why? I have no idea!

you honestly must have eyes like a hawk then because the human eye cant detect any difference in anything greater then 75Hz

i run dual 19in CRTs at 1600x1200 both a 75Hz you cant see flickering

and also to prove you wrong i just looked at both my monitors through my D70 and F100 and you cant see any flickering at 75Hz, i can set the 4x5 up for further proof but thats bnot needed IMO

if you can't see the flicker through the viewfinder..then turn on the lcd on the camera and I guarantee you will see the flickers...either that or you have your monitor set to pretty high frequencies...

 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
the only refresh rate a crt is good for is 120Hz

unfortunately mine will only do it under 1024x768x32

I need to find a monitor that will do 1600x1200x32@120Hz!

anything below 120Hz hurts my eyes after a couple hours.

If you have a camera you can see what I'm talking about. Look at a monitor through the camera's viewfinder and you will see anything under 120Hz flickers like crazy...that's why my eyes hurt after a while. With 120Hz, my eyes are much more relaxed because I no longer see the flickering, in place is a slow steady image scroll. Give it a shot and you will never set your monitor under 120Hz again!

Now with LCDs, the refresh rate doesn't mean a thing, because you can set it at 60Hz and see no flickering through a viewfinder...

why? I have no idea!

you honestly must have eyes like a hawk then because the human eye cant detect any difference in anything greater then 75Hz

i run dual 19in CRTs at 1600x1200 both a 75Hz you cant see flickering

and also to prove you wrong i just looked at both my monitors through my D70 and F100 and you cant see any flickering at 75Hz, i can set the 4x5 up for further proof but thats bnot needed IMO

if you can't see the flicker through the viewfinder..then turn on the lcd on the camera and I guarantee you will see the flickers...either that or you have your monitor set to pretty high frequencies...


both set to 75Hz

CANT view through teh LCD on a DSLR or a SLR cause it has no LCD

the reason you see it when viewing it on a camera that has a LCD that can display a live image is because they arnt at the same speed

this is exactly why when you video tape a comp monitor you can see it refresh

video - 30 FPS IIRC
monitor default is 60 Hz

thats why you see banding

i coudl takje a pic of a monitor running at 120Hz at a film speed of like 1/2000 and catch the refresh

 

PowerMac4Ever

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Anubis
you honestly must have eyes like a hawk then because the human eye cant detect any difference in anything greater then 75Hz

i run dual 19in CRTs at 1600x1200 both a 75Hz you cant see flickering

and also to prove you wrong i just looked at both my monitors through my D70 and F100 and you cant see any flickering at 75Hz, i can set the 4x5 up for further proof but thats bnot needed IMO

You're flat out wrong on the limitations of the human eye, but even if you accept that perception of flicker is highly affected by surroundings. Interference with fluorescent lighting, for example, can make an otherwise tolerable refresh rate unbearable.

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm

Some info there.

Viper GTS
Good thing I can afford lighting that's better than the crap bulbs you use.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: daveymark
I honestly think it'll be less than $1k



welp, I was right, as usual. ah, to brag about my predictions on an internet forum...nothing makes me feel better.
 

CTrain

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: daveymark
I honestly think it'll be less than $1k



welp, I was right, as usual. ah, to brag about my predictions on an internet forum...nothing makes me feel better.

What are you right about ?
Its listed for $1199 with no discount right now.

The reason why all these people got it for $860 is through the small business section.
What it is, is that they cater to the businesses and usually offer rock bottom prices to keep their customer happy.

So this guy, the business he works for is a huge Dell customer.
He asked his REP what is the lowest price she can give him if he gets a bunch of people to buy and she told him $860.
This is how the whole thing started.

Beside going through certain reps, theres no discount on the monitor right now.
 
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