One more month and IVB will be here! Who is getting what?

[Mars999]

I am waiting on Haswell now... I hope it's much faster than my 2600K...

 

[Edrick]

Intel Ivy Bridge-E CPUs Delayed to Late 2013

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ivy-Bridge-E-CPUs-Delayed-tol-Late-2013-259346.shtml

IB-E in late 2012 is ok. IB-E in late 2013 will NOT happen. They will just release Haswell-E in late 2013.

 

[Edrick]

What you say is great and all, but IB-E is supposed to bring eight-core CPUs into the consumer market. That, along with the IPC improvements, means a significant increase in multi-threaded performance in comparison to Haswell.

Lets be serious for a moment. Who here has a SB and is not happy because they need something just 5% faster?

Ivy Bridge-E will definitely happen. If it didn't, there would be almost no reason to buy into Intel's high-margin Enthusiast platform.

Well, from someone who bought into the platform with the hopes of IB-E (me), I will say that I see less reason now than I did a month ago. Don't get me wrong, I am happy with it, but between all the missing features and now maybe missing IB-E, knowing what I know now, I may have kept my 2500K.

 

[bigsnyder]

I think I will pick up a used Sandy Bridge cpu if the thermals are not any better.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Ivy Bridge-E could be released in Nov, 2012 and then Haswell can be released in March 2013.

They aren't going to do that. If Ivy Bridge E is released in November 2012, Haswell E will be a year later.

Three reasons why I think Ivy Bridge E will still arrive:

1. Roadmaps can always change. It doesn't mean because Ivy Bridge E doesn't exist on a roadmap it won't surface.
2. Development isn't based on the enthusiast platform, but rather on a server platform. Limited multi-threading makes Ivy Bridge E less attractive than Haswell for enthusiasts. That's not true for market segment that Xeon E5 series are targetting.
3. Parts already exist, and Sandy Bridge E/EPs compatibility with 22nm CPU is touted in some places.

With that said, who is going to spend $500-$1000 for IB-E when Haswell is around the corner and Haswell-E not far behind?

The enthusiast parts don't make sense, but the server parts where the development is focused on does. And the enthusiast parts are merely derivatives of the server parts.

You do not see EX chips coming earlier do you?

That said, I could see socket compatible platforms coming little earlier than expected. Maybe rather than seeing Ivy Bridge E in November of this year, we'll see in August.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Going from Penryn to Nehalem we saw a ~17% increase in IPC, and going from Westmere to Sandy Bridge we saw an ~11% increase in IPC.

The 10-15% gain in IPC that Sandy Bridge was a general purpose gain that extended through every type of code, whether it was single threaded, multi-threaded, games, applications, integer, fp.

Nehalem only showed 0-5% gains for people that didn't take advantage of memory bandwidth and hyperthreading. Some even reported worse performance than Penryn. Hyperthreading is often downplayed, but its a big reason why Nehalem was faster than Penryn. Average came out to be close to 20% thanks to Hyperthreading gains often being 25% or more.

 

[exar333]

Thank you for that history lesson. I think it is safe to assume that most people on these forums (myself included), already know this.



I agree with most of your statements and numbers in these. A few I would argue with, but that is not the point here. The point here is all about marketing by Intel, and their delays with SB-E and now IB.

Releasing SB-E so close to the mainstream IB release was not that bad because SB-E offers things that IB does not have (6 core, more mem bandwidth, larger L3$, more PCIe lanes, etc). And the biggest upgrade IB has over SB is the IGP, which is not a factor in the high end market. So these products can co-exist. And since X79 will have a 2 year shelf life, then no harm going to that platform.

Releasing IB-E very close to the Haswell release will be much worse. Most indications is that the performance gains from the Haswell Tock will be much greater than the SB Tock. And the IGP of Haswell "should" be able to used as a vector co-processor of sorts for many applications (similar to how GPUs can now). It is my belief that most people on these forums will want a Haswell, even of they already have a SB or IB system.

With that said, who is going to spend $500-$1000 for IB-E when Haswell is around the corner and Haswell-E not far behind? The best thing for Intel to do (and best for us consumers), is to release Haswell-E around the same time as the mainstream version. Sure this will upset some X79 owners (like myself), but I would get over it real fast if I could get Haswell-E in Q1 2013.

For my uses, I would gladly take an 8C IB-E over a 4C Haswell.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Revolutionary technologies I believe may only be enablers of future development. They merely allow advancements to continue. The very same might be true of Haswell's TSX, "L4 cache", AVX2, etc.

That said its almost a done deal that next move for me will be a Ivy Bridge or Haswell Ultrabook.

 

[Rvenger]

Well, I just broke down and purchased a 2700k. I couldn't pass up a deal on Ebay for a BNIB 2700k. I had the 10% off tech pick coupon and got a new one for $267.30 shipped. :thumbsup: I rather have HT than the 3570k now that I thought of it.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Lets be serious for a moment. Who here has a SB and is not happy because they need something just 5% faster?



Well, from someone who bought into the platform with the hopes of IB-E (me), I will say that I see less reason now than I did a month ago. Don't get me wrong, I am happy with it, but between all the missing features and now maybe missing IB-E, knowing what I know now, I may have kept my 2500K.

I wouldn't worry too much. I still think you'll have an upgrade path to eight-cores whether it be nine months, a year, or nearly two years from now. Intel knows they need to keep a significant gap in multi-threaded performance between the fastest 2011 and 1155 CPUs.

I just don't see Intel changing their way of releasing the Enthusiast platform later than the Mainstream and Performance. Even if it's into 2013, Ivy Bridge-E will be released. They can't release Haswell-E at that point because of potential yield issues because of the new architecture plus 22nm process.

 

[Ajay]

Revolutionary technologies I believe may only be enablers of future development. They merely allow advancements to continue. The very same might be true of Haswell's TSX, "L4 cache", AVX2, etc.

That said its almost a done deal that next move for me will be a Ivy Bridge or Haswell Ultrabook.

I'm pretty sure Intel is still working hard on getting gains in ST and MT performance. So expect something similar to IB IPC improvement in Haswell. If that's true, the two tocks would add up to a worthwhile upgrade. I also expect Intel will do something to get the get the temps a bit lower in Haswell as compared to IVB.

Some games are actually starting to use four cores on my Nehalem system. Slowly, things are looking up for multi-core systems.

If I went with IVB-E (if it comes out) it would mainly be for running Folding@Home.

 

[nardz84]

No mobile love in here? I still can't find a really good reason to replace my i5-750 desktop, but I've been waiting months to upgrade my c2d laptop.

 

[hawtdawg]

im a limp along with my c2q until Haswell shows up

 

[God Mode]

Imma wait until Mcdonalds buys intel and offers cpus with their happy meals.

The delays caused severe upgraditus and I bought another Sandy notebook. Skipping IVB.

 

[Don Karnage]

Just bought a 3570K off of the Bay. Paid more but im sick of waiting

 

[rgallant]

Just bought a 3570K off of the Bay. Paid more but im sick of waiting

E1 or E0 stepping ?

 

[Don Karnage]

E1 or E0 stepping ?

Seller stated E1 full retail boxed but i'll still be satisfied if it's an E0. Only paid 280 and its going directly under water

 

[tynopik]

just don't see Intel changing their way of releasing the Enthusiast platform later than the Mainstream and Performance.

Because that was never Intel's plan (or at least not to release it SO far behind anyways). And don't forget that Nehalem-E (socket 1366) was released FIRST.

There was one MASSIVE screwup with SB-E and now you think Intel's plan is to duplicate that from here on out?

Even if it's into 2013, Ivy Bridge-E will be released. They can't release Haswell-E at that point because of potential yield issues because of the new architecture plus 22nm process.

Mainstream consumer Haswell comes out 'early' 2013.

If they have enough capacity to supply the mass-market version at that point, they certainly have the capacity to supply the much much much smaller server/enthusiast market in late 2013

 

[Don Karnage]

Because that was never Intel's plan (or at least not to release it SO far behind anyways). And don't forget that Nehalem-E (socket 1366) was released FIRST.

There was one MASSIVE screwup with SB-E and now you think Intel's plan is to duplicate that from here on out?



Mainstream consumer Haswell comes out 'early' 2013.

If they have enough capacity to supply the mass-market version at that point, they certainly have the capacity to supply the much much much smaller server/enthusiast market in late 2013

SB-E is a huge waste of money. I regret even buying into it.

 

[Tomashoch]

The exact release date of the Intel Ivy Bridge CPUs:
12:00 a.m. on April 29, 2012 PST (with DST)
09:00 a.m. on April 29, 2012 CET (with DST)

Mainboards and 7 Series chipset on April 8.
Source

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

SB-E is a huge waste of money. I regret even buying into it.

Why? Seems like a solid platform that could be relevant for many years.

 

[Don Karnage]

Why? Seems like a solid platform that could be relevant for many years.

Because Ivy Bridge E was pushed back till Q1 of 2013. I'm not interested in waiting over a year for new processors which is why i sold my 3930K/Rampage V and going back to Mainstream

 

[T_Yamamoto]

The exact release date of the Intel Ivy Bridge CPUs:
12:00 a.m. on April 29, 2012 PST (with DST)
09:00 a.m. on April 29, 2012 CET (with DST)

Mainboards and 7 Series chipset on April 8.
Source

seems like a rumor

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Because Ivy Bridge E was pushed back till Q1 of 2013. I'm not interested in waiting over a year for new processors which is why i sold my 3930K/Rampage V and going back to Mainstream

I'm in a similar predicament, however I'm worried IVB will be too much of a dud and not be able to overclock far enough to justify an upgrade from my current 2600K, and that I really might be better off with more cores of SB-E even if I'm completely disappointed that X79 was nerfed as much as is was from its original conception or that IVB-E might be yet a years off.

granted, I do still have an X58 rig I could buy and pop an i7 980 into, but as disappointing as X79 is, it would be hard for me to go back to X58 for my primary rig with how fully I've jumped into Sata6 SSDs

 

[IntelUser2000]

Because that was never Intel's plan (or at least not to release it SO far behind anyways). And don't forget that Nehalem-E (socket 1366) was released FIRST.

Sandy Bridge EP is NOT the same as Nehalem or Westmere EP. Prior to Sandy Bridge EP, the dual processor capable chips were extremely similar to the "mainstream" brothers like Lynnfield. That also cuts validation time. I call Nehalem EP "PC class" workstation processors.

Sandy Bridge EP is available all the way from 1P to 4P. That and the fact that 4P needs to serve reliability requirements increase validation time. You won't see the E/EP chips coming at similar time to mainstream chips nevermind earlier anymore.

It's true that Sandy Bridge EP was significantly delayed. Early rumors had Q3 E series launch and Q4 EP server series launch. Perhaps we would have got 100-200MHz more out of them, and chipset wouldn't have been neutered. It doesn't change the big picture though, the EP server chips would have pulverized everything else and E series mainstream chips would still be limited by consumer apps failing to scale with cores.

The benefit to E series buyers would have been that 6+ month launch ahead of Ivy Bridge would have better justified the purchase.