One of my professors is driving me nuts..

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: musicman64
Sure, I'll get right on it. It's not huge or anything, nevermind the fact that Christianity wasn't listed a prerequisite for the class.

Yes. Lord knows that when you take a class you shouldn't expect to have to do any research or, *gasp* learn.

Originally posted by: musicman64
It doesn't offend me, it just shouldn't be required reading for a non-religion class.

What? The most widely published book in history that has shaped the path of the world for almost 2000 years and is a reoccurring theme throughout Western civilization and literature. That should not be allowed to exist outside of a theological discussion? Jesus Christ, what happens when you have to do a report on Greek mythology? Do you refuse because you do not believe in the overtones of polytheistic religion that thrusts itself into every story?

Get over yourself, it's a BOOK. This is no different than if you had to read up on ancient Grecian religions so you could understand the role, importance, and references in any Greek mythological story. He isn't asking you to BECOME a Christian, it seems he is asking you to become familiar with the works that have become one of the most significant influences in human history.

Does this mean that we should all have Michael Jackson's Thriller album in our music collection and if not, we should be punished in our education if it is not something we are well versed on?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: musicman64
Let me add a bit - people in class are quoting specific passages from books of the Bible I didn't even know existed.

Quotes...from BOOKS!!!1! Anything but that!!! :roll::roll::roll:

And what if you hada job in this thng called the "real world" but you're advancement was slowed because you don't never read the Bible. Get it?

I don't get it. I thought this thread was about an english literature assignment.

It is.

People don't understand that the idea of whether God exists or whether the bible is real or not have no bearing on this argument at all. What is being discussed is an assignment in a literature class that has Christian themes in it.

Color me surprised that English Literature has Christian themes sprinkled through it.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

hmm, wait. wasnt the bible writtne in Hebrew and Greek??

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I love the people bitching that unless the content of the course is specific to your every pre-determined belief it is useless and a waste of money :laugh:

Yes a society who is grown up on CNN and never has any ideas challenged is exactly what we want :laugh:

"OH NO CULTURE GET BACK GET BACK I TELL YOU!"

????

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: musicman64
Let me add a bit - people in class are quoting specific passages from books of the Bible I didn't even know existed.

Quotes...from BOOKS!!!1! Anything but that!!! :roll::roll::roll:

And what if you hada job in this thng called the "real world" but you're advancement was slowed because you don't never read the Bible. Get it?

I don't get it. I thought this thread was about an English literature assignment.

People are making horrible comparisons. My comparison is apples to apples. If it is not obvious, I will due a A is to B as C is to D statement to make it blatantly obvious.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: RichardE
I love the people bitching that unless the content of the course is specific to your every pre-determined belief it is useless and a waste of money :laugh:

Yes a society who is grown up on CNN and never has any ideas challenged is exactly what we want :laugh:

"OH NO CULTURE GET BACK GET BACK I TELL YOU!"

????

All the people here posting about how some idea that a assignment might have any non PC part on it at all is somehow morally wrong and should be challenged. It's fucking ridiculous, you don't take English Literature class to learn about scientific papers/textbooks, you take it for English Lit. If you came into the class expecting some sterilized English Literature that is void of any religious/racist/political/anything non-pc than you are an idiot.

The people bitching about a course content that does fall into their pre-determined beliefs are unbelievable.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: musicman64
Sure, I'll get right on it. It's not huge or anything, nevermind the fact that Christianity wasn't listed a prerequisite for the class.

Yes. Lord knows that when you take a class you shouldn't expect to have to do any research or, *gasp* learn.

Originally posted by: musicman64
It doesn't offend me, it just shouldn't be required reading for a non-religion class.

What? The most widely published book in history that has shaped the path of the world for almost 2000 years and is a reoccurring theme throughout Western civilization and literature. That should not be allowed to exist outside of a theological discussion? Jesus Christ, what happens when you have to do a report on Greek mythology? Do you refuse because you do not believe in the overtones of polytheistic religion that thrusts itself into every story?

Get over yourself, it's a BOOK. This is no different than if you had to read up on ancient Grecian religions so you could understand the role, importance, and references in any Greek mythological story. He isn't asking you to BECOME a Christian, it seems he is asking you to become familiar with the works that have become one of the most significant influences in human history.

Does this mean that we should all have Michael Jackson's Thriller album in our music collection and if not, we should be punished in our education if it is not something we are well versed on?

If you were asked to do an assignment about modern pop music, then yes, you should be able to include knowledge of Michael Jackson. That doesn't mean you have to know about him before hand, but you do the research on the subject and find out about him in that case. The student here is going over literature that has Christian themes in them. He is being asked to analyze them, answer questions on comprehension, etc. If he is not familiar with the theological references, then it is his responsibility to do the appropriate research, whether it means that he needs to read some of the Bible, a book about Greek gods, or an article discussing the influence of "Billie Jean" on the progression of pop music. If he doesn't know where to start, he needs to consult with his professor and TA's. If they are not helpful, then he can complain about that. Still, there are a number of resources that I'm sure he can use to find specific things in the Bible if he is looking for a specific allusion to a story or needs to find passages that deal with a specific theme.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: musicman64

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune
I had to read The Origin of Species in a British Literature class. I am now heavily offended as I am a Christian. I had to write a paper on a book with heaver overtones of evolutionary theory.

Quit whining you idiot. People who bitch about this stupid stuff should just be denied a degree.

:thumbsdown:

There's no difference between The Origin of Species and the Bible - none at all.

thecoolnessrune fails to understand that most of us know about evolution FROM OUR SCHOOLING.

You fail to understand basic learning. I learned evolution and Christian doctrine. Both from schooling.

Your mind is obviously too small to comprehend that though. So sorry about that.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: musicman64
Sure, I'll get right on it. It's not huge or anything, nevermind the fact that Christianity wasn't listed a prerequisite for the class.

One doesn't need to be a Christian in order to read and appreciate the Christian Bible.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: lupi
The bible is a book like any other, you open the cover and read the words from the pages.

So is Mein Kampf.

The thing is, this is college. Classes have pre-requisits. One should not be forced to read Mein Kompf, The Satanic Bible or any other material that could be deemed objectionable unless it is a pre-requisite to the course.

It's funny, I gave two blatantly obvious examples of things that people would object to. I'm sure that's not good enough for the God fearing people here. There are enough people that are not Christians or worship Jesus in the US to equate the Bible, Mein Kompf, The Satanic Bible as equivilent in terms of education.

I'm a Christian and if I had to read any of those 3 mentioned books I wouldn't mind.

Why people have a problem with researching material is beyond me.

OMG OPEN-MINDEDNESS!! NEVAR!!!one!!

 

[nageov3t]

college level english course and he's MAKING you write your papers on religious topics within the books?

sounds not right... I don't think I ever had a course where specific paper topics were forced beyond vague generalities.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Auryg
Ignore most of what everyone is saying in here - you're paying for this, not the other way around. Talk to the dept. chair, unless you go to a Catholic school..like I do *sigh*.

I had to take a class on religion. Being agnostic, that's no fun, especially when I thought I was taking a history of Christianity course when it turned out to more be like "How to be a good Christian 101."

Which school did you go to? A good theology course is something that any atheist should be able to enjoy, especially if it centers around the historical and intellectual development of doctrine. If it truly feels like "how to be a good Christian 101", then you have a crappy professor.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

Originally posted by: loki8481
college level english course and he's MAKING you write your papers on religious topics within the books?

sounds not right... I don't think I ever had a course where specific paper topics were forced beyond vague generalities.

so you went to a community college?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: lupi
The bible is a book like any other, you open the cover and read the words from the pages.

So is Mein Kampf.

The thing is, this is college. Classes have pre-requisits. One should not be forced to read Mein Kompf, The Satanic Bible or any other material that could be deemed objectionable unless it is a pre-requisite to the course.

It's funny, I gave two blatantly obvious examples of things that people would object to. I'm sure that's not good enough for the God fearing people here. There are enough people that are not Christians or worship Jesus in the US to equate the Bible, Mein Kompf, The Satanic Bible as equivilent in terms of education.

Heh. Imagine if the teacher was gay and made his students read, research, and write on pro-gay material.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: lupi
The bible is a book like any other, you open the cover and read the words from the pages.

So is Mein Kampf.

The thing is, this is college. Classes have pre-requisits. One should not be forced to read Mein Kompf, The Satanic Bible or any other material that could be deemed objectionable unless it is a pre-requisite to the course.

It's funny, I gave two blatantly obvious examples of things that people would object to. I'm sure that's not good enough for the God fearing people here. There are enough people that are not Christians or worship Jesus in the US to equate the Bible, Mein Kompf, The Satanic Bible as equivilent in terms of education.

Heh. Imagine if the teacher was gay and made his students read, research, and write on pro-gay material.

Heh imagine you if you were exposed to anything non-pc

the horror!

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: FuzzyDunlop

Originally posted by: loki8481
college level english course and he's MAKING you write your papers on religious topics within the books?

sounds not right... I don't think I ever had a course where specific paper topics were forced beyond vague generalities.

so you went to a community college?

majored in english lit at penn state?

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Truth... nobody should be required to read the bible ever .. anywhere unless the class was religion related.

Ask him what the purpose is .. what is his intention

Nobody should be required to read the bible ever......
...unless you are in a Theology class, as it pretty much centers around it.
...unless you are in a History class, as it heavily influenced much of hte last 2000 or so years.
...unless you are in an ENGLISH class, reading Western literature, much of which was heavily influenced by it.
Science/Mathematics/Physics/Chemistry class? You may have a point there.

If you were studying any literature/history/theology/etc of the ME or any other region, you would probably have to read their holy books. Suck it up. You claim to be non-religious, but you don't seem to know very much about it. Any true Atheist would've at least read the central document of what they claim is false. Just because you don't belive doesn't mean you should intellectually castrate yourself here. Even if you reject Christian religious teachings, avoiding their works is just plain dumb.

You know what....post the assignment. What book/author is he having you review? I hardly think that your prof, no matter how fundie, is having you do extensive analysis of St. Augustine's Confessions.

 

[dbk]

Just talk to the dean if you're uncomfortable about it. I'm sure you'll be excused from the assignment. Maybe you can get out of the class.
Look at it this way-
What if instead of the Bible, the students had to read the Qur'an and study literature related to Islam in a English lit class??

Personally, I wouldn't care.

What's the actual assignment?

 

[DVad3r]

Yea I had something similar to that with a different religion/culture. It was brutal. Ride it out.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: dahunan
Truth... nobody should be required to read the bible ever .. anywhere unless the class was religion related.

Ask him what the purpose is .. what is his intention

Nobody should be required to read the bible ever......
...unless you are in a Theology class, as it pretty much centers around it.
...unless you are in a History class, as it heavily influenced much of hte last 2000 or so years.
...unless you are in an ENGLISH class, reading Western literature, much of which was heavily influenced by it.
Science/Mathematics/Physics/Chemistry class? You may have a point there.

If you were studying any literature/history/theology/etc of the ME or any other region, you would probably have to read their holy books. Suck it up. You claim to be non-religious, but you don't seem to know very much about it. Any true Atheist would've at least read the central document of what they claim is false. Just because you don't belive doesn't mean you should intellectually castrate yourself here. Even if you reject Christian religious teachings, avoiding their works is just plain dumb.

You know what....post the assignment. What book/author is he having you review? I hardly think that your prof, no matter how fundie, is having you do extensive analysis of St. Augustine's Confessions.

This discussion reminds me of when I was in an AP English Lit class in school many years ago, and my parent's church disapproved of some of the curriculum. One of the women in the church visited the house to ask my parents to pull me from the class, and I made the 'mistake' of bringing out the literature in question and asking her if she had ever read it. Naturally, she never had, and I stayed in the class.

An atheist who is offended to study the Bible (or any other religious text) is a hypocrite. A proper atheist should be able to quote chapter and verse as necessary.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: dahunan
Truth... nobody should be required to read the bible ever .. anywhere unless the class was religion related.

Ask him what the purpose is .. what is his intention

Nobody should be required to read the bible ever......
...unless you are in a Theology class, as it pretty much centers around it.
...unless you are in a History class, as it heavily influenced much of hte last 2000 or so years.
...unless you are in an ENGLISH class, reading Western literature, much of which was heavily influenced by it.
Science/Mathematics/Physics/Chemistry class? You may have a point there.

If you were studying any literature/history/theology/etc of the ME or any other region, you would probably have to read their holy books. Suck it up. You claim to be non-religious, but you don't seem to know very much about it. Any true Atheist would've at least read the central document of what they claim is false. Just because you don't belive doesn't mean you should intellectually castrate yourself here. Even if you reject Christian religious teachings, avoiding their works is just plain dumb.

You know what....post the assignment. What book/author is he having you review? I hardly think that your prof, no matter how fundie, is having you do extensive analysis of St. Augustine's Confessions.

Exactly. I was able to visit Germany last fall and I visited a number of the royal palaces there. Everywhere you looked there were ornate frescoes, sculptures, and paintings depicting religious icons and scenes. Looking at a fresco of the royal family, what was the artist trying to say about the queen when he drew her to look like Diana? What does it mean to have a picture of Jupiter on the ceiling in this room? Being able to understand the religious themes and context is vital to being able to understand the meaning behind many of the works in the humanities.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: musicman64
It doesn't offend me, it just shouldn't be required reading for a non-religion class.

then while you've got head firmly buried up your arse, I would advise against taking any art classes either. any such class that goes beyond trying to stay within the lines with have at least a dabbling of history involved, and you may not like those results either.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: lupi
The bible is a book like any other, you open the cover and read the words from the pages.

So is Mein Kampf.

The thing is, this is college.

I'm willing to go out on a limb, and say that there is a college course out there that has that as a required subject.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: lupi
The bible is a book like any other, you open the cover and read the words from the pages.

So is Mein Kampf.

The thing is, this is college.

I'm willing to go out on a limb, and say that there is a college course out there that has that as a required subject.

I had to read it in my history class WW1-WW2 last semester along with the Doctrine of Fascism. Had to read the communist manifesto this semester

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: lupi
The bible is a book like any other, you open the cover and read the words from the pages.