One-third of Americans only have $1,000 saved for retirement

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manimal

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Worst thing that ever happened was the paradigm shift to 401Ks from retirement plans.
 

Jimzz

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Well that is because he was under the Civil Service Retirement System. So yeah he didn't need Social Security because he had a glorious pension.


Yep I would switch to CSRS if they let me. NICE pension days ended in the 70-80's depending when you started.
At least I am in FERS, not the new FERS+.
 

Sluggo

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I know a lot of people who clam they are so strapped they can barely make ends meet, much less save anything.

Of course they still mange to buy:
cigarettes
alcohol
top tier cable TV
cell phones
loads of junk food
$4 coffee every morning
$8 lunch out every day

I mean how is a normal guy supposed to be able to save?
 

Wreckem

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Worst thing that ever happened was the paradigm shift to 401Ks from retirement plans.

Worst thing for the people. Best thing that ever happened for Investment Firms(and Politicians because well follow the money).
 

pauldun170

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From the actual study\Survey at http://www.ebri.org/pdf/surveys/rcs/2014/EBRI_IB_397_Mar14.RCS.pdf


Among RCS workers providing this type of information, 36 percent say they have less than $1,000 (up from 28 percent in 2013), although those who indicate they and their spouse do not have a retirement plan (either an IRA, defined contribution, or defined benefit plan) are far more likely than those who have a plan to be in this group (73 per-cent vs. 11 percent). Moreover, 68 percent with household income of less than $35,000 a year have savings of less than $1,000. Of those who have saved for retirement, only 38 percent report savings of less than $25,000.

The actual question on the survey
From page 14 of the report
Not including Social Security taxes or employer-provided money, have you (and/or
your spouse) personally saved any money for retirement? These savings could include money you personally put into a retirement plan at work. (2014 Workers n=1,000, percent yes)


So lets assume that the average worker under 30 will not have a sizable savings account. Nothing to be concerned about, it takes time to build.

We now have to exclude employer provided retirement plans - Bye-bye 401K and Pensions. (I can have retirement package of 2 million between my pensions and 401K but I would need to exclude them when responding to the survey.

The yahoo article seems like misleading click bait and the survey results itself not so "scary"
I had to skim a bit but please feel free to read the report and correct me.
 

KB

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Worst thing that ever happened was the paradigm shift to 401Ks from retirement plans.

Yeah because those pensions in detriot, Sacramento, Chicago, Maryland etc. are so well funded. A self managed 401k is far better than a pension, with the exception of a federal government pension. Company pensions go bankrupt when a company goes bankrupt and must be saved by the government pension insurance, but pay only half the promised benefits. Underfunded state pensions invest in risky assets to make up shortfalls and suffer greater losses than a conservative self-managed 401k. I will take a 401k.
 

Colt45

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I know a lot of people who clam they are so strapped they can barely make ends meet, much less save anything.

Of course they still mange to buy:
cigarettes
alcohol
top tier cable TV
cell phones
loads of junk food
$4 coffee every morning
$8 lunch out every day

I mean how is a normal guy supposed to be able to save?

Some people like to enjoy life a little. As opposed to living a miserable tightass existence for 60 years, and then keeling over with a bucket of gold the day they retire, if they even make it there.

haters gonna hate
 

Exterous

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Worst thing that ever happened was the paradigm shift to 401Ks from retirement plans.

Assuming your plan is actually funded by those in charge of funding it which current events shows is a highly risky assumption.
 

Wreckem

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Yeah because those pensions in detriot, Sacramento, Chicago, Maryland etc. are so well funded. A self managed 401k is far better than a pension, with the exception of a federal government pension. Company pensions go bankrupt when a company goes bankrupt and must be saved by the government pension insurance, but pay only half the promised benefits. Underfunded state pensions invest in risky assets to make up shortfalls and suffer greater losses than a conservative self-managed 401k. I will take a 401k.

Most peoples 401k plans are wealth shifting tools that shift wealth from the people paying in to the investment firms.
 

PlanetJosh

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Looks like none of those people talked about in the article will ever post in this thread. Unemployed old folks with little savings not likely to appear here. But I'd love to eat my words and have a few show up posting. To hear their perspective.

The article doesn't mention those old people moving in with relatives to survive. So taking that into account may help some seniors get by with the necessities of living. I know people may say it can be socially bad to have a relative move in. And that it could be a big financial burden on the rest of the family to take in the extra relative.

But hold on, you would need a separate study and probably a separate thread to claim how much the whole family would be financially impacted by it. It may or may not be a big deal moneywise to support your live-in old dad or mom. You just can't throw around opinion on that issue as fact without quoting a source survey or study concerning it. And I'm talking about taking in just one old relative not two per household. For now.
 
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Sho'Nuff

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Why? Although I wouldn't base my retirement planning on it being around there is no real reason that it won't be. Even at current levels it will still be able to pay out ~75% of promised benefits and requires only small\minor changes to fix that shortfall.

Here are a few reasons -

- SS is already in a major deficit
- US Government is in a major deficit and continues to accrue new debt. Translation - US government will be less able to bail out SS programs.
- More people working to older age = less young people paying working and paying into SS (upside down pyramid problem). Translation - deficit spending will snowball in future years.

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...st-fund-reports-massive-deficits-benefit-cuts

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/17/social-security-run-12-deficit-next-decade/

http://washingtonexaminer.com/long-term-medicare-ss-deficit-tops-63-trillion/article/1247066
 

Wreckem

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Here are a few reasons -

- SS is already in a major deficit
- US Government is in a major deficit and continues to accrue new debt. Translation - US government will be less able to bail out SS programs.
- More people working to older age = less young people paying working and paying into SS (upside down pyramid problem). Translation - deficit spending will snowball in future years.

http://www.heritage.org/research/re...st-fund-reports-massive-deficits-benefit-cuts

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/17/social-security-run-12-deficit-next-decade/

http://washingtonexaminer.com/long-term-medicare-ss-deficit-tops-63-trillion/article/1247066

The only reason SS currently has a "deficit"(technically it is not a deficit) is because elected officials robbed Peter to pay Paul. The trust fund, which is required by law to be paid back, is solvent until 2033.

SS really isn't that large of a problem. It can be slightly tweaked through a combination of measures(hike in retirement age, small benefit cut, substantially raising the cap of SS taxable income, etc) and then run indefinitely, but Republicans do not want that. Republicans want to get rid of the program entirely(which is why they have blocked any real reforms, ones that actually save SS and not do away with it) for the past 20 years. We have known about this problem for close to 30 years, but we can't do something to change it, we have to wait until the last minute to change it, or wait until its to costly to fix it? The issue should have been dealt with more than a decade ago, but nope. We can spend $4-6trillion on unnecessary wars, but we can't come up with a plan to make SS solvent?

That said the real problem is medicare(and healthcare in general). Everyone lumps SS and Medicare into one when they say "entitlements" will eat up the budget. Medicare is a much much bigger problem.

The reality is the US needs to INCREASE TAXES and CUT SPENDING. The problem is NEITHER side wants to cut spending(they just want to cut the other sides spending) and the Republicans only want tax cuts.
 
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Mai72

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Honestly, it starts at home. If your parents weren't savers/investors then the chance that you are going save and invest is going to be very small.

I will give an example of my parents.

My parents were spenders. They spent money as fast as they got it. For somebody who only had a 4th grade education my father has made awesome money in the past. How would you like to make $15k for 2 weeks of work. How would you like to make $3k for 3 days of work? My father was a contractor for the state of NJ. In one year he could make over $100k. This was in the 90's and early 2000's. When the economy went south, those jobs dried up. He doesn't have them anymore.

My parents also owned a few businesses. Most were bombs, but they had one that lasted 12 years. When my mom passed away 3 years ago my dad sold it for a small fee. When my sister took over the books she found out that my mom had mismanaged the finances, and they weren't making as much money as initially thought.

Then there are the purchases. Buying a $250,000 home w/ a 2,000 monthly mortgage at the age of 60. Purchasing new cars every 2-3 years. Not investing and not saving a dime. My mom was purchasing shoes, clothes, coats, jackets, cosmetics, etc. Eating out all the time.

I'm currently staying with my father now and I'm worried. He doesn't learn. He sold a perfectly fine Volvo with zero payments and upgraded to a new one with $500 a month payments. He's bought $200 jeans and expensive shoes. He was delivering government commodities to the schools for $3,000 a week. He only worked for 3 days a month. Anyway, the state wanted to do it themselves so they almost eliminated his job. He has a few schools left and makes a only fraction of what he made in the beginning. He only has his job in the summer which pays well. He has SS and VA benefits from the 4 years he spent in the army. That's it. His attitude is I'm going to die soon so why not party it up. But yet, I believe he's scared.

I had to teach myself about finances. I had to condition myself to save money. The 2 years that I spent in South Korea were amazing. I didn't need a car. My place was paid for, and the cost of living is cheaper then it is in New Jersey. But, I'm late to the savings/investing game. I'm nearing 40. I have just recently put money into an IRA. I"m looking for ways to make passive income, while I apply for another teaching position in South Korea.

It starts at home.
 
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Mixolydian

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I've been at my current job for a year (as of this week). After 3 months I became eligible to enroll in the 401k plan. It's well over a thousand dollars by now, and I'm not contributing much either. Nor do I have a high-paying job.

So that's pretty sad.
 

overst33r

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Some people like to enjoy life a little. As opposed to living a miserable tightass existence for 60 years, and then keeling over with a bucket of gold the day they retire, if they even make it there.

haters gonna hate

It's about balance. Barely making ends meet is not "enjoying life a little"
 

olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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I'll have a pension from work, 401, 457 and SS. I don't plan to work after I retire. If I get bored, I'll volunteer somewhere or troll ATOT.
 

halik

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Worst thing that ever happened was the paradigm shift to 401Ks from retirement plans.

Ehhh 401K gives you a lot more lateral mobility, downside being you actually have to save up.

What's the flipside, mandate that people save money?
 
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Sonikku

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Brovane

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Those politicians, federal, get a Pension after just 6 years so they already have their plan. ()

Actually all politicians except the President are under the Federal Employee retirement program which as far as pensions go it is that great compared to what some people get at the state level. If you had just 6 years of service you would only have 6 years vested into the Federal pension which would give you a very low benefit level.
 

Brovane

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Yeah because those pensions in detriot, Sacramento, Chicago, Maryland etc. are so well funded. A self managed 401k is far better than a pension, with the exception of a federal government pension. Company pensions go bankrupt when a company goes bankrupt and must be saved by the government pension insurance, but pay only half the promised benefits. Underfunded state pensions invest in risky assets to make up shortfalls and suffer greater losses than a conservative self-managed 401k. I will take a 401k.

How about working towards fixing the issues with Pensions instead of just throwing them away? Pensions can be very effective. However just like 401k it requires over-sight to make sure they are adequately funded.
 

purbeast0

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i hope my 401k, roth, and ss will be enough for me. at my current job my 401k is killing it though with my employer matching. i've only been at this company about 18 months and i have over 40k in it. i have a little over 100k total with my 401k (previous ones now in a vanguard ira as well as my current one) and roth ira right now and i'm 32 so i think i'm doing okay i think at this point.
 
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