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Originally posted by: Svnla
Originally posted by: cubby1223
That is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. USC was co-champs along with LSU in 2003.

LSU won the 2003 BCS bowl = National Champions. Period.

If you say USC was co champs then you HAVE TO say Auburn was co champs with USC in 2004 because Aubrun had the same record as USC.

Edit: Last time I checked, BCS bowl winner = NCAA Fooball Champs. I didn't see anywhere it said anything about co champs this and co champs that. That's makeup stuffs from USC fanbois and the media for hype.


Except USC LOST in 2003 to California. What a disgrace. Auburn has more rights to claim co-champs than USC does...
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: Svnla
Originally posted by: cubby1223
That is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. USC was co-champs along with LSU in 2003.

LSU won the 2003 BCS bowl = National Champions. Period.

If you say USC was co champs then you HAVE TO say Auburn was co champs with USC in 2004 because Aubrun had the same record as USC.

Edit: Last time I checked, BCS bowl winner = NCAA Fooball Champs. I didn't see anywhere it said anything about co champs this and co champs that. That's makeup stuffs from USC fanbois and the media for hype.


Except USC LOST in 2003 to California. What a disgrace. Auburn has more rights to claim co-champs than USC does...

Except that AP voters didnt see it that way.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Alkesh
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and ultimately true, USC didn't win the national championship that year and therefore can not be national champions.

National Championships have always been counted by AP titles. USC won the AP National Championship trophy that year.

No, they haven't. AP has been used along with the Coaches Poll since like the 70s. Since the advent of the BCS, the National Champion is determined by the BCS Championship Game which LSU won in 2003.
 

rudder

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geez, what kind of panhandling next? Some lonely chump who wants to go see his girlfiend in Europe or something lame like that?
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Alkesh
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and ultimately true, USC didn't win the national championship that year and therefore can not be national champions.

National Championships have always been counted by AP titles. USC won the AP National Championship trophy that year.

No, they haven't. AP has been used along with the Coaches Poll since like the 70s. Since the advent of the BCS, the National Champion is determined by the BCS Championship Game which LSU won in 2003.

You dont know ****** about college football then. The first AP poll was in 1936. The AP has been giving a championship award ever since, and will continue to do so even when the BCS is defunct.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Alkesh
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and ultimately true, USC didn't win the national championship that year and therefore can not be national champions.

National Championships have always been counted by AP titles. USC won the AP National Championship trophy that year.

No, they haven't. AP has been used along with the Coaches Poll since like the 70s. Since the advent of the BCS, the National Champion is determined by the BCS Championship Game which LSU won in 2003.

You dont know ****** about college football then. The first AP poll was in 1936. The AP has been giving a championship award ever since, and will continue to do so even when the BCS is defunct.

:roll: Yes, the AP and dozens of other organizations were handing out National Championships. It wasn't until the modern era of football that the AP and the Coach's Poll were considered to be the source for determining who was the National Champion. Some years they agreed, some years they didn't (see Georgia Tech and Colorado). There was no formal system in place to determine who was the champion - hence, the "mythical" national championship.

Since all of the major conferences agreed to the BCS, the BCS Championship Game now determines who is the National Champion. Everyone agree that this system is imperfect but it is the system that is in place.

The AP can keep on handing out #1s all it wants but it no longer determines who is the National Champion.
 

conehead433

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Alkesh
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and ultimately true, USC didn't win the national championship that year and therefore can not be national champions.

National Championships have always been counted by AP titles. USC won the AP National Championship trophy that year.

No, they haven't. AP has been used along with the Coaches Poll since like the 70s. Since the advent of the BCS, the National Champion is determined by the BCS Championship Game which LSU won in 2003.

You dont know ****** about college football then. The first AP poll was in 1936. The AP has been giving a championship award ever since, and will continue to do so even when the BCS is defunct.

The AP can award all the trophies it wants to. Since the implementation of the BCS there is only one recognized national champion period. The main purpose of the BCS was to have the two best teams face off at the end of the year in a national championship game. The BCS doesn't always work perfectly but teams that are left out of the NC game even with an unblemished record are left out for a reason. Usually it's strength of schedule which includes wins over quality opponents as well as opponents records. The SOS determining factors aren't perfect either, but until there is a playoff system it's the best we have. USC won the 2004 national championship. They were left out in 2003 because of their weak schedule. They can only blame themselves even though scheduling is done usually several years in advance.
 

msparish

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Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Alkesh
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and ultimately true, USC didn't win the national championship that year and therefore can not be national champions.

National Championships have always been counted by AP titles. USC won the AP National Championship trophy that year.

No, they haven't. AP has been used along with the Coaches Poll since like the 70s. Since the advent of the BCS, the National Champion is determined by the BCS Championship Game which LSU won in 2003.

You dont know ****** about college football then. The first AP poll was in 1936. The AP has been giving a championship award ever since, and will continue to do so even when the BCS is defunct.

The AP can award all the trophies it wants to. Since the implementation of the BCS there is only one recognized national champion period. The main purpose of the BCS was to have the two best teams face off at the end of the year in a national championship game. The BCS doesn't always work perfectly but teams that are left out of the NC game even with an unblemished record are left out for a reason. Usually it's strength of schedule which includes wins over quality opponents as well as opponents records. The SOS determining factors aren't perfect either, but until there is a playoff system it's the best we have. USC won the 2004 national championship. They were left out in 2003 because of their weak schedule. They can only blame themselves even though scheduling is done usually several years in advance.

Not correct. The BCS determines the BCS champion, which still comes through the polls. At the formation of the BCS, the coaches agreed that the BCS champion would automatically be the number 1 team in the coaches' poll. On the other hand, the AP never agreed to this. Therefore, there were co-national champions in 2003. Even the coaches had USC rated number 1 before the bowls, but had to switch their votes.

Note that I am not a USC fan, and I also think that most college football national championships are mythical. It should be decided on the field...a playoff is needed! Whose to say that Auburn wasn't the best team last year, or Utah for that matter?
 

SaltBoy

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Who wants the ADT championship trophy anyway?

Stupid corporate sponsorship... :disgust:
 

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Originally posted by: msparish
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Alkesh
greatest billboard ever

and ultimately true, USC didn't win the national championship that year and therefore can not be national champions.

National Championships have always been counted by AP titles. USC won the AP National Championship trophy that year.

No, they haven't. AP has been used along with the Coaches Poll since like the 70s. Since the advent of the BCS, the National Champion is determined by the BCS Championship Game which LSU won in 2003.

You dont know ****** about college football then. The first AP poll was in 1936. The AP has been giving a championship award ever since, and will continue to do so even when the BCS is defunct.

The AP can award all the trophies it wants to. Since the implementation of the BCS there is only one recognized national champion period. The main purpose of the BCS was to have the two best teams face off at the end of the year in a national championship game. The BCS doesn't always work perfectly but teams that are left out of the NC game even with an unblemished record are left out for a reason. Usually it's strength of schedule which includes wins over quality opponents as well as opponents records. The SOS determining factors aren't perfect either, but until there is a playoff system it's the best we have. USC won the 2004 national championship. They were left out in 2003 because of their weak schedule. They can only blame themselves even though scheduling is done usually several years in advance.

Not correct. The BCS determines the BCS champion, which still comes through the polls. At the formation of the BCS, the coaches agreed that the BCS champion would automatically be the number 1 team in the coaches' poll. On the other hand, the AP never agreed to this. Therefore, there were co-national champions in 2003. Even the coaches had USC rated number 1 before the bowls, but had to switch their votes.

Note that I am not a USC fan, and I also think that most college football national championships are mythical. It should be decided on the field...a playoff is needed! Whose to say that Auburn wasn't the best team last year, or Utah for that matter?

8 team playoff, at least, FTW
 

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Originally posted by: digitalsm


You dont know ****** about college football then. The first AP poll was in 1936. The AP has been giving a championship award ever since, and will continue to do so even when the BCS is defunct.

I guess all the Conference Comissioners dont know ***** about college football either then. Because they are the ones who chose the BCS to annoint their Football National Championship --- since 1998.

The AP Poll is comprised of a bunch of self-appointed sportswriters who have no more authority to crown a National Champion than you or I. Just because it took D1 college football 100 years to come up with a championship system doesn't mean that the old unofficial system still counts.
 

kalster

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most teams/fans of teams whinning would love to be in the position USC is, 2 titles, 2 minutes from winning a 3rd, more than anything USC winning is good for college football, since almost everyone except their fans seems to hate them, more publicity, more media attention, more talk/flame on discussion boards (like this one), more viewership, in the end college football wins (and USC too ofcourse
 

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Originally posted by: kalster
most teams/fans of teams whinning would love to be in the position USC is, 2 titles, 2 minutes from winning a 3rd, more than anything USC winning is good for college football, since almost everyone except their fans seems to hate them, more publicity, more media attention, more talk/flame on discussion boards (like this one), more viewership, in the end college football wins (and USC too ofcourse


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