OnePlus 3

[npaladin-2000]

I was addressing the earlier contention that OS updates were lacking. Only a fool would argue that OnePlus does a good job with warranty support.

OS updates have been lacking. Remember, OnePlus doesn't do the updates for the OPO. Cyanogen does. In the cases where OnePlus themselves are responsible for the updates their record is much less impressive.

 

[MarkizSchnitzel]

meh, battery life is just not important imo. as long as it is more than 3000mah. because most new phones all have very aggressive background app killing feature.

I have such an office job that I read a lot. But I use white letters on black background, so OLED should be a big plus there, regarding to battery life.
So you might be right.

But a big plus for Axon than would than be that is uses industry standard QC3.0, so I could get any new QC3.0 powerbanks. Oneplus has only a standard powerbank, which is not as convenient.

why doesn't the axon 7 work in europe? isn't it just gsm? axon 7 actually supports more signals than OP3.

Might have been a wrong info than.

warranty only covers usa and china? it isn't selling in europe? that could be the reason.

It will be released in Europe, but for 450€ (500$), so not an insignificant price bump. If i was interested in VR for sure, it would be a worthy one. Since I'm not sure..

the thing is if you wait till oct/nov, alot of new phones comes out. you might be able to get the current flagships at a discount. if you don't mind 3-6 months old phones.

I have already determined to buy a phone around xmas. So there is plenty of time. but since 2010 I've been on WP. And it has been glorious, until a year ago. So I did not have to think about these things. Now I really paranoid about software side. If both these phones were running same OS, I would take Axon. But software seems better on OP3, and hardware is definitely better on Axon (apart from the awful fp placement on the back, because I often use my phone placed on the table).

So confused.

I guess I'll make a separate thread, list all the pros and cons, try to mitigate some concerns.

But by xmas, we might be surprised by Nexus M1. If that one is 500€, it's a no contest.

 

[Megatomic]

OS updates have been lacking. Remember, OnePlus doesn't do the updates for the OPO. Cyanogen does. In the cases where OnePlus themselves are responsible for the updates their record is much less impressive.

Well I'll quote myself then:

Here's a post from him directly at the OP forums in April:

https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...-for-oneplus-one.440897/page-21#post-14718596

As it turns out the limiting factor on OPO support in the future will be Qualcomm, not Cyanogen.

There you go with the closest thing to insider info that I can find.

 

[Megatomic]

And while I'm here, how about the fact that the OP3 has received 3 (I think) OTAs since launch? That's not a bad track record. And the OPX just got an OTA this week also. Not an update to MM yet but they fixed some seriously long-standing issues.

 

[tsupersonic]

And while I'm here, how about the fact that the OP3 has received 3 (I think) OTAs since launch? That's not a bad track record. And the OPX just got an OTA this week also. Not an update to MM yet but they fixed some seriously long-standing issues.

Still, how could OS/updates be so damn slow when your company has only put out 4 phones ever? Hell, carrier branded phones have better track records...

 

[Megatomic]

Still, how could OS/updates be so damn slow when your company has only put out 4 phones ever? Hell, carrier branded phones have better track records...

I wonder how Motorola phones are doing these days?

Not so well...

 

[tsupersonic]

I wonder how Motorola phones are doing these days?

Not so well...

Hmm, the Lenovo purchase has changed them. They used to be very quick on the updates back in the day. To be fair, they had issues with their quick updates, and they also have more than four phones... OnePlus is just flat out pathetic. Like I said, there are carrier branded phones that have quicker updates. The Nexus devices are your best bet for updates.

 

[Megatomic]

The Nexus devices are your best bet for updates.

On this we agree completely.

 

[vshah]

But a big plus for Axon than would than be that is uses industry standard QC3.0, so I could get any new QC3.0 powerbanks. Oneplus has only a standard powerbank, which is not as convenient.

I believe OP3 charges at 15W on USB C chargers, it just goes even faster (and cooler) with it's own Dash charger.

 

[MarkizSchnitzel]

I believe OP3 charges at 15W on USB C chargers, it just goes even faster (and cooler) with it's own Dash charger.

That would be great if it was so. Do you perhaps have a source for this?

 

[Fileas Corrales]

I am very happy with this and I will continue to follow, thanks!

 

[sweenish]

Are people seriously trying to "white-knight" OP's OS rollouts? Bugfix OTA's for broken stuff is not the same, either. I mean, what did they do? Fixed their horrible screen calibration and actually let you use more than 3 GB of the available 6 GB or RAM.

Let's see if takes them 7 months to rollout Nougat like it did for Marshmallow.

And shifting blame to Qualcomm? What a crock. Quite a few other Qualcomm phones got MM well before OP rolled it out. Like, a lot of carrier branded flagships. That's not an excuse at all.

 

[Megatomic]

Nope, I don't even run COS on my device.

https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

So Marshmallow is on 15.2% of all android devices currently. Seems like the crisis of lack of OS version upgrades is pandemic not isolated to just Oneplus devices. Time to jump off the hate train.

 

[dawheat]

Nope, I don't even run COS on my device.

https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

So Marshmallow is on 15.2% of all android devices currently. Seems like the crisis of lack of OS version upgrades is pandemic not isolated to just Oneplus devices. Time to jump off the hate train.

Global Android stats is hardly a good argument as it includes all Android devices in use.

I do think it's a little overblown as recent Android updates haven't really changed the user experience that much - but it is a fair criticism for any company to release software updates to their top tier phone slower than Samsung, especially without carrier complexities. If Samsung can update the S6 to MM in Feb 2016, OnePlus taking until May 2016 to update the OnePlus 2 is fair criticism.

 

[Megatomic]

https://www.androidpit.com/android-marshmallow-update-overview-for-smartphones-and-tablets

Published on June 14, 2016. A quick perusal of the article shows that no one is doing a really good job of rolling out MM aside from Google.

 

[sweenish]

https://www.androidpit.com/android-marshmallow-update-overview-for-smartphones-and-tablets

Published on June 14, 2016. A quick perusal of the article shows that no one is doing a really good job of rolling out MM aside from Google.

See, you keep changing the rules of the argument ever so slightly. "Look at this chart that includes a bunch of phones that would have never been expected to receive version bumps from OEMs that pump out a dozen products a year." Here's the thing. When it comes to the big phones that people are buying, the same phones of which last year's OP2 claimed to be a killer and this year's OP3 is competing with directly, they have MM. And not only do they have it, but they received it MONTHS before OP rolled it out to their line-up.

OP makes decent phones. They seemed to have ironed out the worst of their manufacturing defects, and the price really can't be argued against. But you are settling, make no mistake about that. Actual customer service, not a warranty piece of paper, is abysmal. Their ability to roll out bugfixes to their OS has never been brought up as a negative, but their inability to roll out the big updates in a timely manner has. And how's the OPX faring? I believe it's already been abandoned. They only have 4 phones in their complete history, and they've already abandoned their small phone from 1 year ago.

Sure, you can take matters into your own hands with custom ROMs, but that gets annoying fast. How we've gone this long without the scene creating a clear route for OTA-like updates is quite stupid. I don't look forward to the backup-flash-restore game when N arrives (N5 no longer officially supported). Thankfully, OP owners have 5-7 months before they know if it's even a game they have to play.

 

[Megatomic]

The OPX got an OTA this week, but to be honest it's still a Lollipop ROM. So it hasn't been completely abandoned.

Also, my ROM (Sultanxda CM ROM) has OTAs, I get regular updates. I think most people who have devices like a OPO buy it knowing that they are going to ROM the shit out of it. They know they are getting high end specs and that there is a trade-off somewhere. In this case it's post sale support. I paid $350 for mine over 2 years ago and it's still a perfect device. I guess I got the empty barrell in this game of Russian Roulette.

 

[Megatomic]

Let me just state this just in case I am misrepresenting myself. I do not think OnePlus is a company known for good customer service. I also do not think OnePlus is a company with a good software update history. I do think that OnePlus is one of several Chinese companies with less than stellar software update histories. I also do think that OnePlus is a company that offers excellently specified devices at an incredible price.

If one is willing to experiment a little to find a good ROM option choosing a OnePlus device can be an excellent choice.

 

[sweenish]

I'm glad some ROMs can update OTA, at the least.

 

[MarkizSchnitzel]

If one is willing to experiment a little to find a good ROM option choosing a OnePlus device can be an excellent choice.

But, to really be up there with the "big boys", they need good service. Otherwise, if it's crappy, a phone at half the price is gonna end up costing you just as much or more.
It is really great having a peace of mind that you are covered if your device decides to break on it's own. Especially when the manufacturer than gives you a new model (925 -> 930 in my case) 1 for 1. Now I'm not expecting this from everybody, but some reasonable warranty needs to be there.

 

[Megatomic]

But, to really be up there with the "big boys", they need good service. Otherwise, if it's crappy, a phone at half the price is gonna end up costing you just as much or more.
It is really great having a peace of mind that you are covered if your device decides to break on it's own. Especially when the manufacturer than gives you a new model (925 -> 930 in my case) 1 for 1. Now I'm not expecting this from everybody, but some reasonable warranty needs to be there.

I won't disagree with you on this. I personally don't see OnePlus as a "big boy" yet, they are still having issues meeting demand even.