Ongoing Real Life Mini Drama - Thieving House Stalker Is Dumb!

SlickSnake

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Here's the story so far. I have a second house that I am slowly working on that is unoccupied and used to be my previous residence. But it has the appearances of someone possibly living there, such as indoor and outdoor lights including security lights that turn on when approached, a mowed and picked up yard with a locked fence around it, even a camera security system. It is nearby, so even when I'm not working on it, I will drive by and check it from time to time.

I was having the yard mowed last Sunday, and went over there to unlock the gate and walk the property, and noticed the back door had been pried open which was no easy feat, since the door locked solidly into the jamb with 6 inch screws going into the bolt plates and studs, so they destroyed the door and door jamb just to get in. After looking at all the damage and marks on the door and jamb, it looked like they spent a good 5 or 10 minutes just getting inside, when all the idiot had to do was break a small window, and reach in and unlock the door. And the moron smashed the back motion light to smithereens, hitting it at least 4 or 5 times, when all they had to do was reach up and flip the button to turn it off.

When I entered the house, I figured they would have stolen all the construction materials I had inside, like paint, plaster, carpet tiles, that sort of thing. And I wisely did not keep any of my paint sprayers or compressors or other tools there, for now obvious reasons. I poked around inside, and the only things I can figure out they have stolen is an ancient, cheap, 8 camera DVR security system, including an equally ancient square 17" LCD monitor I salvaged from the top of a trash pile one day, all the power supply stuff to the DVR and cameras and the digital converter box for another ancient 32 inch tube TV in the same room. And they didn't even get the remote for the DVR system, either. But still, it's got a password on it, to boot. Literally and figuratively.

So I decided to poke around outside again, and noticed that one of the cameras was missing that was easy to get to by stepping on an air conditioner unit, and it happened to be the one broken camera, LOL! So take that stupid thief. At any rate, I called the cops and filed a report.

When I first talked to some neighbors on Sunday, they said they hadn't seen anything, but guess what? When I stopped by tonight, someone else who overheard what happened had, and then they gave a rough description of the vehicle and when they saw it last, and it was of course a dark van, and we all can guess what might happen in a van down by the river, or in this case, a whole lake.

At any rate, while I was at the store earlier, I got a text from a neighbor I didn't notice until I got home about 3 hours later. They said there was a dark van (probably the same one) parked outside my house about an hour after I left it tonight... and they got a complete license number. As I came home from the store, I drove by the house again and considered stopping and getting out, but it still looked secure from the front and I had groceries, so I drove on home.

When I discovered the message it shook me up a bit to realize that I could have stopped and possibly been ambushed by these thieves.
My first thought was going over to the other place with my gun for protection and making sure the place was still secure, but since it was dark and nearly midnight by this time, I decided if there was going to be a shootout with robbers, probably a cop would be a good idea for some protection.

When the cop got there he ran the tag, and got a positive match for a dark colored van. When we walked the property, the house looked to be secure still, and since the back door was now boarded up from the inside with 3/4" plywood and screws, it should be. As we walked around, he said he liked the property a lot, and started asking me a lot of questions about it, including what I would take for it. I was a bit startled, to say the least, and at this point, I would probably just dump it to him cheaper, just because we need more cops living out here.

The reason why I posted this was kind of a PSA and to vent a little bit, since I now need to remove everything from the house just to keep incredibly stupid thieves from taking it all. And the fact is, that house looks pretty much just like it did when I was living in it, including keeping the kitchen light on all night long. What bugs me the most is, they could have broken into the house not knowing if anyone was there or not at the time, which would have been a fatal mistake to said house breaker, and possibly myself. That is the unsettling part. And the fact the crook is still stalking my house over a week later after the break in, is rattling my nerves and making me leery of even going over there and working inside now, especially by myself, and certainly not at night unless I am armed. This is why we have guns people, and why they are legal.

If the perps are found or I sell him my property, which his interest in was certainly unexpected, I will update this topic.
 
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Iron Woode

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time to set up several Home Alone style traps in the house.

 

JEDI

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did you have any working security cameras?

why didn't you fix the broken one?
 

Thump553

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Thieves usually hit the same place again. They know the ins and outs and quite often the owner has gone out and bought all new stuff to replace what was stolen the first time.

A vacant house is pretty much a beacon to thieves. This is why your insurance cuts you off after XX days of vacancy (usually 60 days in my state). You'll end up paying a lot higher insurance rates for a vacant property, which is what it should be as the risk is a lot higher.

The thief doesn't really care at all about damage to your property. This guy could have concluded breaking a window would attract more attention than busting in the door. As for smashing the camera instead of looking for the button, that's not dumb. He knows the smashed camera won't work for sure. Maybe that's the off button, maybe not. I don't see any particular dumbness on the part of this burglar (considering most of them are not Mensa grade by any means to begin with).
 

Capt Caveman

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My dogs would notify if someone was near the house if I was inside working. Should ask the police to do a drive by once in a while at night to check on the house and the van.
 

skyking

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And then spend lots of time in prison for setting up illegal mantraps.

True that. Instead of a full paint can swinging, I'd like to set up a system to just paint the intruder below the chest, completely
Motion cameras to capture the action.
 

SlickSnake

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did you have any working security cameras?

why didn't you fix the broken one?

Yes, the other 4 cameras worked fine. The 5th camera covered the opposite angle of the back door, but the back door still had a working camera aimed at it. I finally disconnected that one inside because the image grew too blurry to even see anything. I tried disassembling it because I thought the lens might have something inside it which could be cleaned off, like moisture or something, but it was spotless, and the electronics appeared undamaged or burned, so I just put it back up as a dummy camera, and a dummy took it. It also had super bright LEDs in it, so I think that might have caused it to over heat over the course of years and burned it up.
 
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SlickSnake

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Thieves usually hit the same place again. They know the ins and outs and quite often the owner has gone out and bought all new stuff to replace what was stolen the first time.

A vacant house is pretty much a beacon to thieves. This is why your insurance cuts you off after XX days of vacancy (usually 60 days in my state). You'll end up paying a lot higher insurance rates for a vacant property, which is what it should be as the risk is a lot higher.

The thief doesn't really care at all about damage to your property. This guy could have concluded breaking a window would attract more attention than busting in the door. As for smashing the camera instead of looking for the button, that's not dumb. He knows the smashed camera won't work for sure. Maybe that's the off button, maybe not. I don't see any particular dumbness on the part of this burglar (considering most of them are not Mensa grade by any means to begin with).

It was a motion sensor outdoor lamp that was smashed to pieces, not a camera. And there is still a much brighter halogen light on a pole, so it's not exactly like smashing the light to bits hid them in the dark, by any means. Also, my neighbor behind me has a view over the fence of the back door, so smashing and trashing the door and the porch light for no reason was a pretty stupid move, unless they just wanted to get caught doing it. And you don't think they would make more noise smashing at the light repeatedly to break it and smashing and pounding on the door than they would lightly breaking the small door window with one blow?

And I removed the 4 working cameras completely, just in case they returned for them, which they apparently did 10 days after the first break in. I also have a couple of ideas I may try, that does not involve traps, just in case the cops can't do anything for some reason even though they now probably know who it is. More on those ideas later. And I sincerely doubt I'm the only person that they are targeting in my area, too. So they may have a ton of cases they can pin on this guy or guys.
 
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SlickSnake

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My dogs would notify if someone was near the house if I was inside working. Should ask the police to do a drive by once in a while at night to check on the house and the van.

I'm pretty sure they are all aware of it now. The responding officer said he heard about it, but wasn't sure what house it was, because he's new out here. I also told him to take any action necessary if they see anyone on the property that isn't me or my spouse. We have a small police department, and the cop who responded last night said he was instructed to try to concentrate on patrolling rather than tickets because they are having problems like this. I'm sure they have more problems because school is out, but I have a feeling this was an adult doing this, since a van was involved, and not kids on foot or a bike.
 

Safeway

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I support Texas Penal Code §9.32.

(a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another: (1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary.

(b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor: (1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used: (A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment ...
 
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gorcorps

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If he's coming back after knowing it's vacant he's going to tear that place apart. I would guess he's going to try to get all of the copper out of there... wiring and pipes. I hear stories about new construction homes getting ransacked for the same shit.
 

Safeway

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What's the license plate on the van? Just look it up yourself, or have a friend with access to the database do it.
 

CPA

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I hate thieves, hate them with a passion. It's not your stuff, so keep your damn hands off of it.
 

notposting

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Good luck. You could also check on the "flickering fake TV" lights - little more of a lived in look than static lights on a timer. Though it's probably too late for you in regards to this batch of retard thieves.
 

SlickSnake

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What's the license plate on the van? Just look it up yourself, or have a friend with access to the database do it.

Yea, I can get the information easily enough. But at this stage, I just don't want to know yet. I'm too pissed off, frankly. And I think I have seen the same beat up dark van driving around here before, suspiciously casing houses by slowing down a lot and checking out peoples yards. But at the time, I didn't think much of it. They could have been looking for an address for all I knew.
 

SlickSnake

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Good luck. You could also check on the "flickering fake TV" lights - little more of a lived in look than static lights on a timer. Though it's probably too late for you in regards to this batch of retard thieves.

Not a bad idea, or I could just use a free Craigslist flat screen TV with some minor screen defects and let it run day and night in the living room until it burns out.
 

SlickSnake

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If he's coming back after knowing it's vacant he's going to tear that place apart. I would guess he's going to try to get all of the copper out of there... wiring and pipes. I hear stories about new construction homes getting ransacked for the same shit.

This is exactly what I'm afraid of, because it sometimes happens around here.

Well, I'm also sort of afraid that they are probably armed and if they find me in my own house, it would probably end up being a shoot out.

And it's hard to paint in a bullet proof vest.
 
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who?

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Put the kitchen light on a timer that turns it off at bedtime. It being on all night is a dead giveaway to the vacancy.
I wonder why we say "turn on" and "turn off".
 

who?

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And consider having timed lights in other rooms to show that people inside the house are moving around.
 

who?

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Does it have a garage that people can't tell when there is a car parked inside or is it obvious that nobody is there?
 

Safeway

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This light discussion reminds me of a movie that I recently watched, or maybe it was a TV show. I can't remember.

Anyway. An agent was kidnapped by a prison escapee. He was driving around at 3am and found a house with a lot of lights on. He said something to the effect of, "a dark house at 3:00AM means that someone is home, a lit up house at 3:00AM means that someone wants you to think that people are home."
 
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