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Fingolfin269

Lifer
Feb 28, 2003
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I'm sure the states will find some way to collect this money eventually whether this one is thrown out or not.
 

jjones

Lifer
Oct 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Why would Amazon even consider complying with an order from a state government where it has no business presence?
That is what I was wondering. How does the state of New York plan on enforcing compliance?

 

Twofootputt

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Email this morning:

As a result of recent changes in the State of New York Tax Law requiring certain out-of-state retailers to collect and remit sales taxes to the State of New York, we regrettably inform you that Newegg.com must begin collecting applicable state and local sales tax for all orders shipped to New York addresses on or after June 1, 2008.

Qualified business customers can continue to use the Newegg.com Sales Tax Exempt Form.

We value our relationship with you and all of our New York customers. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this change in New York law and assure you that we will continue to work hard to offer you the best prices, fastest shipping and award winning customer service you deserve.

We look forward to continuing to provide you with the premier online shopping experience for all of your IT and Consumer Electronics needs.

Sincerely,

Bernard Luthi
Newegg.com
Company Spokesperson and
Vice President of Merchandising
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Twofootputt
Email this morning:

As a result of recent changes in the State of New York Tax Law requiring certain out-of-state retailers to collect and remit sales taxes to the State of New York, we regrettably inform you that Newegg.com must begin collecting applicable state and local sales tax for all orders shipped to New York addresses on or after June 1, 2008.

Qualified business customers can continue to use the Newegg.com Sales Tax Exempt Form.

We value our relationship with you and all of our New York customers. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this change in New York law and assure you that we will continue to work hard to offer you the best prices, fastest shipping and award winning customer service you deserve.

We look forward to continuing to provide you with the premier online shopping experience for all of your IT and Consumer Electronics needs.

Sincerely,

Bernard Luthi
Newegg.com
Company Spokesperson and
Vice President of Merchandising

 

biggestmuff

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Mar 20, 2001
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I never understood how online retailers were able to skip the taxes. I'd rather not pay, but I never understood it. So, why don't you NYers that live close to other state, such as NJ, open up a mail drop-off at one of those Mailboxes'R'Us type of businesses?
 
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Originally posted by: sdifox
So what happens to me, whom shops from Canada,pay with Canadian CC, ship to a nyc addr (friend's parent's house)?

I suspect you will pay. I live in Alaska, and we have no state sales tax. When I buy from Amazon.Com and it goes to a friend in a state that has sales tax and an Amazon.Com presence, I have to pay tax on it.
 

Jessica69

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Well, it's going to take a Supreme Court decision, since in 1992, the U.S. Supreme Court decided this already in Quill vs. North Dakota, which was basically a followup decision to the case of Complete Auto Transit, Inc. v. Brady.


In essence, the Court said in Quill that:

In the Complete Auto Transit case, the Supreme Court articulated a four-part test to determine if a state tax scheme unduly burdens interstate commerce. The first prong of the Complete Auto test requires a taxpayer to have nexus (i.e. a connection) with a state before it can impose its tax jurisdiction. In Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, the Supreme Court explained that a business had to be physically present in a state before that state could require the business to collect use tax on its behalf.

The facts in Quill Corp. are as follows: North Dakota sent a notice to Quill Corp. that it owed use tax (a companion tax to the sales tax) payments for purchases that North Dakota residents had made through Quill Corp.?s catalogue. Quill responded that it did not have nexus in North Dakota because it had no physical operations or employees and hence did not have to collect North Dakota use tax on sales made to North Dakota customers.

The Supreme Court sided with Quill, ruling that a taxpayer must have a physical presence in a state in order to require collection of sales or use tax for purchases made by in-state customers. Physical presence means offices, branches, warehouses, employees, etc. The existence of customers alone (i.e. economic presence) did not create sufficient nexus under the Commerce Clause for North Dakota to impose a sales tax collection burden on Quill Corp..

The Supreme Court?s reasoning was at least partially based on the fact that, at the time the case was decided in 1992, there were over 6,000 separate sales and use tax jurisdictions in the United States (states, localities, special tax districts, etc.) and to impose a collection obligation on a remote seller would impose a crushing burden that would severely restrict interstate commerce.

Of course, there is a movement afoot to simplify state sales tax systems in order to lobby Congress to overturn Quill and require remote sellers to collect sales and use tax.


So Congress will have to pass a law allowing states to collect sales tax on out-of-state sellers who are interstate sellers with no physical presence in XX state. The interstate tax issue is completely controlled by Congress and despite what any state tries to do, it is typically struck down.



A quickie on the implications of the Complete Auto Transit v. Brady on tax law:


States have nearly complete authority to tax activities within their own borders. These broad taxing powers, however, are subject to limitations of the U.S. Constitution. The most important structural limit on state tax power is the Commerce Clause.

The Commerce Clause
gives Congress the sole power to regulate commerce among the states. The Supreme Court has used the Clause to strike down state tax schemes that place an undue burden on interstate commerce. In Complete Auto Transit v. Brady, the Supreme Court articulated a four-part test to determine if a state tax violates the Commerce Clause:

· Nexus: there must be a sufficient connection between the taxpayer and the state to warrant the imposition of state tax authority
· Fair Apportionment: the state must not tax more than it?s fair share of the income of a taxpayer
· No discrimination: the state must not treat out-of-state taxpayers differently than in-state taxpayers
· Related to services: the tax must be fairly related to services provided to the taxpayer by the state

The Complete Auto test serves to protect the free flow of commerce from undue state regulation, including taxes that operate like tariffs to impede interstate commerce. Without the Commerce Clause, states would be free to use their tax powers to benefit in-state businesses by burdening their out-of-state competitors.

 

alm99

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Apr 16, 2000
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Just another reason why people are flocking away from NY state. Over taxed, under paid.
 

Slew Foot

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The government loves money. Theyll never cut spending, theyll only tax you more. Assholes.
 

jamesbond007

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Originally posted by: her209
LOL... what's next? Sales tax on items purchased in a MMORPG?

Don't give them ideas! They may be watching this thread...

There's more people that play WarCraft than there are in the entire state of North Dakota and probably others, too! They'd reap TONS of cash from such an action!

~Travis
 

Parasitic

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Aug 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: alm99
Just another reason why people are flocking away from NY state. Over taxed, under paid.

Being underpaid is an understatement for those outside of NYC.
 

alkemyst

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It's not all online retailers...however; it may happen. What they'd need to do first though is declare a set 'internet' sales tax. There is not easy way at this time for a vendor to know which tax rate applies, esp when the shipping and/or billing addresses may not be the domicile of the purchaser.

In reality though one was always supposed to be paying taxes on anything bought that was not normally excluded from said sales tax (medicine and non-prepared food for example)

 

jinsaotomex4

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Originally posted by: her209
LOL... what's next? Sales tax on items purchased in a MMORPG?

Well, you already have to pay sales tax on online subscriptions (I'm looking at you WoW) so this isn't that crazy of a thought.
 

ViRGE

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Twofootputt
Email this morning:

As a result of recent changes in the State of New York Tax Law requiring certain out-of-state retailers to collect and remit sales taxes to the State of New York, we regrettably inform you that Newegg.com must begin collecting applicable state and local sales tax for all orders shipped to New York addresses on or after June 1, 2008.

Qualified business customers can continue to use the Newegg.com Sales Tax Exempt Form.

We value our relationship with you and all of our New York customers. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this change in New York law and assure you that we will continue to work hard to offer you the best prices, fastest shipping and award winning customer service you deserve.

We look forward to continuing to provide you with the premier online shopping experience for all of your IT and Consumer Electronics needs.

Sincerely,

Bernard Luthi
Newegg.com
Company Spokesperson and
Vice President of Merchandising
This needed to happen. Using the internet shouldn't be a way to escape paying your share of taxes. It's not some magical place outside of the real world.
 

Tommouse

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My beef, is that this will severely hurt e-commerce. If I was to start getting nailed for sales tax, along with shipping, and then waiting for my items; I'm not sure how much I would like that, but I will wager not too much. The lack of tax is a huge strategic advantage for online retailers, and I am curious to see how they will react. I hope this never passes as I work for an online retailer ... so this would affect my paycheck in many ways
 

1prophet

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If the Supreme court doesn't strike this down e-bay, craiglist and the rest of them will be next.
 

JackBurton

Lifer
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Oh, this is perfect timing. The economy is in the shitter, the US dollar is taking a dump, gasoline prices are at an all time high and these freakin' morons want to start charging consumers MORE. Great time to kick in internet tax geniuses. I guess you won't be happy until we're in a full depression.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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it's not going to take much for people to now form LLC's in order to buy things tax-free and intend them for 'resale'.

 

CPA

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Twofootputt
Email this morning:

As a result of recent changes in the State of New York Tax Law requiring certain out-of-state retailers to collect and remit sales taxes to the State of New York, we regrettably inform you that Newegg.com must begin collecting applicable state and local sales tax for all orders shipped to New York addresses on or after June 1, 2008.

Qualified business customers can continue to use the Newegg.com Sales Tax Exempt Form.

We value our relationship with you and all of our New York customers. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this change in New York law and assure you that we will continue to work hard to offer you the best prices, fastest shipping and award winning customer service you deserve.

We look forward to continuing to provide you with the premier online shopping experience for all of your IT and Consumer Electronics needs.

Sincerely,

Bernard Luthi
Newegg.com
Company Spokesperson and
Vice President of Merchandising
This needed to happen. Using the internet shouldn't be a way to escape paying your share of taxes. It's not some magical place outside of the real world.

Internet companies do nothing different than an out of state company that advertises in that state's newspaper or billboards, mailers, etc. Neither would collect tax.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
it's not going to take much for people to now form LLC's in order to buy things tax-free and intend them for 'resale'.

And the first time they get audited, they're screwed.
 

ViRGE

Elite Member, Moderator Emeritus
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Twofootputt
Email this morning:

As a result of recent changes in the State of New York Tax Law requiring certain out-of-state retailers to collect and remit sales taxes to the State of New York, we regrettably inform you that Newegg.com must begin collecting applicable state and local sales tax for all orders shipped to New York addresses on or after June 1, 2008.

Qualified business customers can continue to use the Newegg.com Sales Tax Exempt Form.

We value our relationship with you and all of our New York customers. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this change in New York law and assure you that we will continue to work hard to offer you the best prices, fastest shipping and award winning customer service you deserve.

We look forward to continuing to provide you with the premier online shopping experience for all of your IT and Consumer Electronics needs.

Sincerely,

Bernard Luthi
Newegg.com
Company Spokesperson and
Vice President of Merchandising
This needed to happen. Using the internet shouldn't be a way to escape paying your share of taxes. It's not some magical place outside of the real world.

Internet companies do nothing different than an out of state company that advertises in that state's newspaper or billboards, mailers, etc. Neither would collect tax.
Someone still has to pay a tax though. Commerce was conducted somewhere, be it in the seller's state or the buyer's state.
 

Jumpem

Lifer
Sep 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: AMDZen
Too bad for you New Yorkers. Hopefully it takes a while longer to get here

Amazon is not complying, I belive they have filed a lawsuit. I have placed several orders lately and none of them had sales tax added.
 
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