Online Transfer - Service Fee - $3ea

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dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: LS8
Originally posted by: edro
Chase (checking) charges $3 to transfer money to an external account? (ING Savings)

WTF is that? I never noticed this before!

So they would rather me write a paper check and send it to my other bank? (ING)

Dumb...

So your bank should eat the cost of the transaction?

The bank is providing a service for you and services cost money.

Remember WAY back in the day when banks were rolling out ATMs? There were no ATM fees because they were saving piles of cash by not having to hire all those tellers. The cost of installing and maintaining the machines was trivial compared to the money they were saving.

ATM fees only became prominent after they realized people had become dependent on them. Therefore the fees themselves are simply a profit stream for the bank. An actual reimbursement for the cost of service might be a few cents tops.

The same principal applies to online transactions. Except in this case the cost of service is probably fractions of a cent. And yes, most banks will eat it in order to attract customers to their convenient online system (since if more people bank only online, then they can build and staff fewer actual branches).

I'm honestly baffled at the level of incompetence that must have been required to run any of these profit machines into bankruptcy.
 

thegimp03

Diamond Member
Jul 5, 2004
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I have the same problem with two of my banks. $2-3 service charge to transfer money out, and it's always been that way. I don't really ever do intra-bank transfers anymore unless I absolutely have to because the nickel & diming is ridiculous.
 

erub

Diamond Member
Jun 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: edro
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: LS8
So your bank should eat the cost of the transaction?

The bank is providing a service for you and services cost money.
Exactly. You are asking a person at a bank to write a check for you and to mail it to another entity for you. These two tasks cost money in supplies and in labor. Why should Chase do it for free?

Either (A) do it for yourself, (B) sign up for one of their packages where your fees are waived, or (C) go to the bank RECEIVING the money to do it. The bank that receives the money does it for free since they want your money.

Same goes for all bills. Banks charge to pay your bills for you unless you sign up for one of their packages. But if you go to the recipient of your money, they will virtually always do it for free. For example, go to your electric company (or gas, or cable, or whatever) and have them do a withdrawl.

You both fail.

Bill Pay is FREE.
A transfer to another bank account is the exact same thing as Bill Pay (transfer to another "account").

They have this fee to force you to have your savings account under the Chase umbrella.

It's fine... I will delete my newly added accounts (from the Chase site, so I don't make the same mistake again) and pull the money from Chase via the ING website from now on.

You two are both arguing correctly, but from different angles. Online bill payment consist of two things:
1. They print a check and mail it for you. It costs them the stamp (42c?--bulk discount?) plus the printing fee. However, the bank prefers it over you writing a check (which now they charge low level accounts for) and paying for the stamp yourself for three reasons.
a. It is safer (they scramble routing number and account number), so no worry about fraud that way
b. They take the money immediately out of your account, and only return it 90 days later if the check is not cashed (they are still earning interest on it, but you aren't)
c. It costs them less to process this computer-generated check than a handwritten check (no human has to verify it, they know what amount it is for, after all they wrote it).

2. You are doing business with a major bank (paying CC at another one, etc). Here they can provide one day transfers, via ACH. Even cheaper than printing a check/mailing it for you.

As for the $3 push fee to an external account, this is probably so that you will be more inclined to leave the money in an internal account. However, ING Direct accepts mailed deposits. I would imagine that you could online billpay (which would be "mailed"--but probably ACH) for free to that address. I will try that myself now.

Edit: Appears good only for linking, not regular deposits. No matter, just get a Premier Platinum account, or use ING's website.
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: edro
You both fail.

Bill Pay is FREE.
A transfer to another bank account is the exact same thing as Bill Pay (transfer to another "account").
This contradicts with your prior statement:
Originally posted by: edro
Chase (checking) charges $3 to transfer money to an external account? (ING Savings)
Please choose one of the two contradictions before continuing posting on ATOT. You can't argue both sides of the issue and have any credibility.
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: edro
You both fail.

Bill Pay is FREE.
A transfer to another bank account is the exact same thing as Bill Pay (transfer to another "account").
This contradicts with your prior statement:
Originally posted by: edro
Chase (checking) charges $3 to transfer money to an external account? (ING Savings)
Please choose one of the two contradictions before continuing posting on ATOT. You can't argue both sides of the issue and have any credibility.

The contradiction is the foundation of this thread.

 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
24,442
6
81
Originally posted by: LS8
Originally posted by: edro
Chase (checking) charges $3 to transfer money to an external account? (ING Savings)

WTF is that? I never noticed this before!

So they would rather me write a paper check and send it to my other bank? (ING)

Dumb...

So your bank should eat the cost of the transaction?

The bank is providing a service for you and services cost money.

I am providing a service to the bank by lending them the money in my checking account without charging interest. That is the entire BASIS of the banking system. In return, they provide me with free services. However, making paper checks free and withdrawals initiated by the other party free, while charging for withdrawals initiated from this end, is stupid.
 

Turin39789

Lifer
Nov 21, 2000
12,218
8
81
Originally posted by: edro
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: edro
You both fail.

Bill Pay is FREE.
A transfer to another bank account is the exact same thing as Bill Pay (transfer to another "account").
This contradicts with your prior statement:
Originally posted by: edro
Chase (checking) charges $3 to transfer money to an external account? (ING Savings)
Please choose one of the two contradictions before continuing posting on ATOT. You can't argue both sides of the issue and have any credibility.

The contradiction is the foundation of this thread.

billpay is not ach transfers.
If I'm reading it correctly-
sounds like ach transfer originating from an external account are no fee
ach transfers starting from your chase account cost a fee.

Sounds like they want you to leave their bank and go elsewhere.
 

hdeck

Lifer
Sep 26, 2002
14,530
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Originally posted by: edro
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: LS8
So your bank should eat the cost of the transaction?

The bank is providing a service for you and services cost money.
Exactly. You are asking a person at a bank to write a check for you and to mail it to another entity for you. These two tasks cost money in supplies and in labor. Why should Chase do it for free?

Either (A) do it for yourself, (B) sign up for one of their packages where your fees are waived, or (C) go to the bank RECEIVING the money to do it. The bank that receives the money does it for free since they want your money.

Same goes for all bills. Banks charge to pay your bills for you unless you sign up for one of their packages. But if you go to the recipient of your money, they will virtually always do it for free. For example, go to your electric company (or gas, or cable, or whatever) and have them do a withdrawl.

You both fail.

Bill Pay is FREE.
A transfer to another bank account is the exact same thing as Bill Pay (transfer to another "account").

They have this fee to force you to have your savings account under the Chase umbrella.

It's fine... I will delete my newly added accounts (from the Chase site, so I don't make the same mistake again) and pull the money from Chase via the ING website from now on.

no, you fail. bill pay is not the same thing as an online transfer to another bank.
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
24,326
68
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Dear edro,

I apologize for any confusion this fee may have caused.
The $3.00 fee is assessed only for external transfers
going out of your Chase account and into any account that
has been set up as an external account. This is a
standard fee for all customers who perform transfers out
of Chase accounts and into external accounts, and as such
we are not able to reverse the fee. This external
transfer fee is listed and included in the Legal
Agreements which you agree to in order to use our online
service.

This fee is not meant to penalize anyone, and unlike
monthly service fees for checking and savings accounts it
is not able to be waived for account balances or for
account linkages. Again, please accept our apologies in
this matter.

Please note that this fee will be waived for the Chase
Plus Checking account type, Personal Financial Services,
the Premier Platinum account type, Private Client
Services, Private Banking, Home Equity Line of Credit and
Commercial Banking customers.

If you have any questions or require further assistance,
please e-mail us via the Secure Message Center or contact
our Internet Service Center at 1-877-242-7372.

Thank you,

Paco
Internet Service Center
 
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