Doesn't really matter if it takes hours to reach full charge at home if I am asleep.
I always get a kick out of a buddy of mine, who leases an BEV (Chevy Bolt?). He'll post on Facebook, that he's "juicing", and admits that to fully charge his vehicle takes HOURS, on his home charger, which he paid to have installed in his garage. It might be cheaper to charge your battery, but time has value, too.....and the cost of your vehicle being higher just seems to trade one expense, for another.
My personal belief is that there's a lot more going on with the whole EV push than just saving the planet (you KNOW there's people making money by the dump truck load on this), and the politicians have put the cart in front of the horse, so far as the electrical infrastructure being able to handle the requirements of a massive EV switchover. Add to that, the dearth of charging stations across the country, and the issues with charging during cold weather months in the snow belt states, and it's high time, imho, for this whole movement to hit the brakes a bit, and sort out the issues, before pushing people out of ICE and into BEV.
I always get a kick out of a buddy of mine, who leases an BEV (Chevy Bolt?). He'll post on Facebook, that he's "juicing", and admits that to fully charge his vehicle takes HOURS, on his home charger, which he paid to have installed in his garage. It might be cheaper to charge your battery, but time has value, too.....and the cost of your vehicle being higher just seems to trade one expense, for another.
Meanwhile, my Hyundai Tucson hybrid will get 40 MPG in the summer (closer to 33-35 in the winter, due to the engine warm-up), and it takes me 5 minutes to gas up. Range in the summer or winter months is over 400 miles.
You might like the new Dodge Ramcharger that's coming out soon. It's supposed to have ~150 miles of EV range (when not towing) and a gasoline range extender (which helps a lot with towing.)My DD is also my work vehicle. I was planning on a 500-mile Cybertruck, but the best they've got is a 470-mile model (wah) that has an extended-range battery that eats up a third of the bed & costs $96,000 lol.
I don't think I'll be saving enough gas money to justify moving up from a Ford LOL.
It's only hard to justify on the cost front for now because gas is very cheap in the US and Canada and pollution costs are externalized onto society. Make it more expensive through gas taxes, and EVs will look more promising.Charging is not really an issue since the car is sitting in the driveway for a good 8 hours anyway, and then also sitting at work for another 8-12 hours. Workplace charging could eventually be a normal thing too. Lot of workplaces already provide 120v outlets for the block heater anyway. For those who can't charge from home for any reason, then yeah an EV is not really practical.
The main issue with EVs is the cost mostly. It's very hard to justify even if you factor in the gas savings. Not just the purchase cost, but the repair/maintenance cost. These cars are NOT cheap to repair. Even a fender bender can cost like 30 grand. Nobody wants to work on EVs, even body shops, so you're stuck bringing it to the dealer and paying top dollar. Insurance rates are also much higher because of this, so you don't really save since what you do save in gas you're just paying in insurance now.
China has lots of affordable EVs, and IIRC about 40% of their current new auto sales are already plug-ins (mostly BEVs, but also some PHEVs). That's roughly 5 times as much as in the U.S. Now I'm not saying the American consumer will want China's BEVs specifically but they are already invading Europe. Geely will import a BEV to the U.S. by 2025 despite having to eat a very fat tariff. If legacy automakers aren't scared about Tesla or electrification in general, they should be really worried about China entering Western markets (the Europeans are already raising alarm bells).It's only hard to justify on the cost front for now because gas is very cheap in the US and Canada and pollution costs are externalized onto society. Make it more expensive through gas taxes, and EVs will look more promising.
Also, many EVs are targeted at the high end market at the moment. As they become more mainstream, you'll see cheaper models emerge.
More taxes or higher gas prices (both are already too high) is not the answer, bringing the costs of EVs down is the answer. At the end of the day we still need to get to work, taxing us more just hurts us more. That's what Trudeau is doing and it sure as hell is not helping anyone.It's only hard to justify on the cost front for now because gas is very cheap in the US and Canada and pollution costs are externalized onto society. Make it more expensive through gas taxes, and EVs will look more promising.
Also, many EVs are targeted at the high end market at the moment. As they become more mainstream, you'll see cheaper models emerge.
Gas is incredibly cheap in the US and Canada, and I can all assure you that the current level of taxation on gas does not cover the public infrastructure costs or pollution costs to society.More taxes or higher gas prices (both are already too high) is not the answer, bringing the costs of EVs down is the answer. At the end of the day we still need to get to work, taxing us more just hurts us more. That's what Trudeau is doing and it sure as hell is not helping anyone.
Gas is incredibly cheap in the US and Canada, and I can all assure you that the current level of taxation on gas does not cover the public infrastructure costs or pollution costs to society.
Anyway, if you want people to stop doing something, make it more expensive. Pleading with people to ignore their personal economics is not going to get people to switch en masse.
Gas is incredibly cheap in the US and Canada, and I can all assure you that the current level of taxation on gas does not cover the public infrastructure costs or pollution costs to society.
Anyway, if you want people to stop doing something, make it more expensive. Pleading with people to ignore their personal economics is not going to get people to switch en masse.
Roads don't grow on trees, and why not tax bad behavior to help pay for them and discourage uses that are a net bad for society? We can see how effective taxes can be: in combination with public health campaigns, they worked great with cigarettes and reducing smoking rates.If they want people to switch to EVs then make the EVs cheaper. The problem with government is it seems taxation is their hammer and everything is a nail. More than half the money we make is already taxed in some way. More taxes is never the answer, especially considering they can't use the money efficiently. If everyone switches to EVs I'm sure they'll just find a way to tax that too because they'll say they need money for roads, even though we already pay tons of property taxes, income tax, sales tax etc...
Roads in CA, with probably one if not the most taxed gas, don't have to deal with snow and are shit disagree with throwing money at the problem being a solution.Roads don't grow on trees, and why not tax bad behavior to help pay for them and discourage uses that are a net bad for society? We can see how effective taxes can be: in combination with public health campaigns, they worked great with cigarettes and reducing smoking rates.
LoL when can I expect the cheque to pay for me subsidizing your rural lifestyle?That's because most republicans/conservatives are the ones that work and are the ones that build stuff. Make an affordable EV single cab long bed truck that has good range and costs less than a gas one, and it would sell.
LoL when can I expect the cheque to pay for me subsidizing your rural lifestyle?
Your whole life has been subsidized to the tune of 8 thousand dollars a year from me. I showed you the numbers from Government of Ontario. From your favourite right wing think tank Fraser Institute no less.I'm not looking for subsidies. That's the problem with today's society, everyone looking for some payout. The most inefficient way to get something done is to pay taxes and expect the government to do it. But this is starting to veer political so best to get back to topic and that's the fact that most people don't want EVs, and it's probably safe to say that price is one of the major factors.
You might like the new Dodge Ramcharger that's coming out soon. It's supposed to have ~150 miles of EV range (when not towing) and a gasoline range extender (which helps a lot with towing.)
But hopefully it's not as unreliable as the Chrysler Pacifica PHEV, the least-reliable PHEV or EV that Consumer Reports tested.
Your whole life has been subsidized to the tune of 8 thousand dollars a year from mi. I showed you the numbers from Government of Ontario. From your favourite right wing think tank Fraser Institute no less.
I pay 17.6k, you get 19 dollar hand out. So you owe me 8.8k but let's call it 8k to make it simpler.
My personal belief is that there's a lot more going on with the whole EV push than just saving the planet (you KNOW there's people making money by the dump truck load on this), and the politicians have put the cart in front of the horse, so far as the electrical infrastructure being able to handle the requirements of a massive EV switchover. Add to that, the dearth of charging stations across the country, and the issues with charging during cold weather months in the snow belt states, and it's high time, imho, for this whole movement to hit the brakes a bit, and sort out the issues, before pushing people out of ICE and into BEV.
I always get a kick out of a buddy of mine, who leases an BEV (Chevy Bolt?). He'll post on Facebook, that he's "juicing", and admits that to fully charge his vehicle takes HOURS, on his home charger, which he paid to have installed in his garage. It might be cheaper to charge your battery, but time has value, too.....and the cost of your vehicle being higher just seems to trade one expense, for another.
Meanwhile, my Hyundai Tucson hybrid will get 40 MPG in the summer (closer to 33-35 in the winter, due to the engine warm-up), and it takes me 5 minutes to gas up. Range in the summer or winter months is over 400 miles.
That's because most republicans/conservatives are the ones that work and are the ones that build stuff. Make an affordable EV single cab long bed truck that has good range and costs less than a gas one, and it would sell.
Although the majority of truck owners don't actually need a truck, they would be better served with a small size SUV.
Timmins is rural... all that money went to pay for services in the North. Which as you know is more expensive because of low population density. So how does that translate to conservatives being the only taxpayers?I never asked for any of that money (nor did I ever get or see any of it), and I did not even get that far developing my property yet so can't even blame my "rural lifestyle" when I don't even live there yet. Everything I did do I paid for it myself. Rural people are generally more self sufficient and would rather see a small government, not our problem the government is inefficient at everything it does.
Timmins is rural... all that money went to pay for services in the North. Which as you know is more expensive because of low population density. So how does that translate to conservatives being the only taxpayers?