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Zorba

Lifer
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Just remembered, if it is really cold it can be hard to get any charge off a level 1 (so I've been told) because there isn't enough power to run the heater to keep the battery warm and get charge into the battery.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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What about a rezoning or other program, say like ADUs? Do land owners have a right to never experience a same type zoning change to their property, adjacent property, or to "nearby" properties from conditions when it was originally sold?
ADU's in most cases won't negatively impact a property's value. Though if it's in an area with limited parking they can become an issue. I've actually been involved in the planning of two different ADU's and in both cases the city made the requirements so restrictive that it made the project coat prohibitive in one case, and impossible to build in another.
Any zoning change has to take the current owners investment into account.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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ADU's in most cases won't negatively impact a property's value. Though if it's in an area with limited parking they can become an issue. I've actually been involved in the planning of two different ADU's and in both cases the city made the requirements so restrictive that it made the project coat prohibitive in one case, and impossible to build in another.
Any zoning change has to take the current owners investment into account.

At least in California state law has changed to prevent cities from imposing setbacks, min lot size, fees, and other restrictions intended to negate state law on ADU permitting. It's been relatively successful.




What if a change to a denser R zoning class actually makes the property more valuable? Should other owners have the ability to decide to accept denser zoning on their properties without the consent of adjoining land owners since the land is in fact theirs?
 
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At least in California state law has changed to prevent cities from imposing setbacks, min lot size, fees, and other restrictions intended to negate state law on ADU permitting. It's been relatively successful.

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What if a change to a denser R zoning class actually makes the property more valuable? Should other owners have the ability to decide to accept denser zoning on their properties without the consent of adjoining land owners since the land is in fact theirs?
Since changes in zoning usually is a prelude to forced sale and teardown of older homes to make way for condos, I'd say "fuck that with all the rusty everythings."

But that's because I "own" (the bank owns it) a house with a big backyard in a neighborhood with a bunch of old houses and newer apartments/townhomes.
 

K1052

Elite Member
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Sorry, I forget the word for eminent domain.

This is not a common way to develop resi, at least in the US. I can't even think of the last time I've seen ED used for a for-profit residential development. Now a city/state wants to tear a highway through your neighborhood the government certainly can and will take your house from you.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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This quick battery swap is a good approach for people that live in condos.

 

Brovane

Diamond Member
Dec 18, 2001
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This quick battery swap is a good approach for people that live in condos.
I think this approach could work if you don't own the battery and just lease it.

If self driving is solved this really becomes a moot point. Then someone could in theory while they sleep at a apartment etc. they send there car out to remotely recharge at a charging station. Several technology issues need to be solved but it is within the realm of possibility.
 

ondma

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I think this approach could work if you don't own the battery and just lease it.

If self driving is solved this really becomes a moot point. Then someone could in theory while they sleep at a apartment etc. they send there car out to remotely recharge at a charging station. Several technology issues need to be solved but it is within the realm of possibility.

That is an interesting idea. However, it seems to me self driving to be able to send you car to a remote charging station is far away if achievable at all. I live in Minnesota, and I dont see how self driving is practical in a snow storm, where road lines and markers are covered with snow and visibility is near zero.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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I think this approach could work if you don't own the battery and just lease it.

If self driving is solved this really becomes a moot point. Then someone could in theory while they sleep at a apartment etc. they send there car out to remotely recharge at a charging station. Several technology issues need to be solved but it is within the realm of possibility.
Ultimately I want to just subscribe to a service and the car shows up at scheduled time and take me to destination. Not owning a car would be great. It's parked for most of its life.
 
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Brovane

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That is an interesting idea. However, it seems to me self driving to be able to send you car to a remote charging station is far away if achievable at all. I live in Minnesota, and I dont see how self driving is practical in a snow storm, where road lines and markers are covered with snow and visibility is near zero.

It might not be achievable everywhere and all the time. Realistically how good are human drivers when driving in whiteout conditions? There is certain weather conditions that people just shouldn't be driving in.
 

nOOky

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That is an interesting idea. However, it seems to me self driving to be able to send you car to a remote charging station is far away if achievable at all. I live in Minnesota, and I dont see how self driving is practical in a snow storm, where road lines and markers are covered with snow and visibility is near zero.
That is an interesting idea. However, it seems to me self driving to be able to send you car to a remote charging station is far away if achievable at all. I live in Minnesota, and I dont see how self driving is practical in a snow storm, where road lines and markers are covered with snow and visibility is near zero.

Not to mention auto thieves would see self driving vehicles as an easy mark. I mean how hard would it be to carjack an unmanned vehicle, just stop in front and behind it and take control of it lol.
 
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Brovane

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Not to mention auto thieves would see self driving vehicles as an easy mark. I mean how hard would it be to carjack an unmanned vehicle, just stop in front and behind it and take control of it lol.

Somebody trying to force their way into the car and the car disables itself and calls the po-po. Lol
 
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herm0016

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The Chevy dealer includes running to a detached garage. You can also get tandem circuit breakers that use one hole for 2 120V circuits. They are basically two circuit breakers in one. This can free up space in your panel.


some panels allow this, some are called "circuit limited". I run into this all the time when someone wants to disagree with my assessment that a panel is full. sure, you can, on some brands, cut the back of the breaker, but not recommended.

We have a volt and love it, but now my wife works from home and I have a work van, so our cars don't get all that much use. I wish my Buick TourX wagon was a hybrid, it's a fantastic form factor. Realistically we should sell the Volt, even though its been fantastically reliable and uses little gas.
 

nOOky

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Aug 17, 2004
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Somebody trying to force their way into the car and the car disables itself and calls the po-po. Lol

They probably already have scanners and devices to disable the Electreonics on the thing, crooks are always one step ahead of the po po.
 

quikah

Diamond Member
Apr 7, 2003
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This quick battery swap is a good approach for people that live in condos.


This has been a pipe dream for over 100 years. Early electric cars in the early 1900s tried this. I remember attending a tech talk back in 2008/2009 by BetterPlace about their plan for this. Tesla tried it and quickly abandoned it less than a year later in favor of building out the super charging network. Maybe this time it will work (doubt it).
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
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I think it could work but there needs to be an actual standard for batteries, not the way it is now where every car has a totally different setup. Make a battery module standard where instead of having a single battery pack you have a bunch of slots where modules can slide in. A typical configuration would be where they slide in on both sides and all the wiring etc is in the middle. But each vehicle could impliment this the way they want based on physical shape of vehicle.

When you buy a car it would come with a few modules with option to buy more, if you go on a trip you can lease more modules to fill all the slots from say, Shell, or Esso, etc (I could see gas stations getting into this business, it would make sense). Throughout your road trip you just go to another station of that brand and could swap the modules for charged ones. Of course you could also just charge them on site if you plan to stop longer.

Make the voltage and connectivity protocol a standard, while the battery tech that exists inside each module can be anything, that way it is future proof as batteries improve. Cheaper ones could even just use AGM batteries. I could see that being common for golf carts for example, or even fork lifts, where you may actually want the extra weight. They just slide in the back.

The issue now days that is a barrier to progress is that companies don't want standards they all want everything to be proprietary.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Hertz is selling 20,000 EVs to invest more into gasoline powered vehicles.


Hertz went from scaling back its electric vehicle ambitions to selling off its actual EVs in the span of three months. The rental car agency said in a regulatory filing today that it will sell 20,000 vehicles, or roughly one-third of its global EV fleet, and use that money to buy gas guzzlers.
The decision was made after Hertz reported higher depreciation and damage than expected to its EVs, amounting to $245 million in costs for the company. Also, Hertz apparently couldn’t find enough customers for the EVs in its fleet, so selling a huge chunk of them will “better balance supply against expected demand of EVs,”
 
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thedarkwolf

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The miles on the EVs they are selling make it look like the telsas at least are getting plenty of rentals. All the cheap teslas have 70k+.
 
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drnickriviera

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I'm calling BS on hertz. If the cars were damaged, wouldn't they go after the renter for the cost if they didn't buy their overpriced insurance? I've tried to rent a tesla from them for the past two months and can't get one. Depreciation, yes. They bought at peak pricing and new prices have come way down. There is probably some other corporate sleazebag reason for this move. We will probably never know it.
 
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bbhaag

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Jul 2, 2011
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I'm calling BS on hertz. If the cars were damaged, wouldn't they go after the renter for the cost if they didn't buy their overpriced insurance? I've tried to rent a tesla from them for the past two months and can't get one. Depreciation, yes. They bought at peak pricing and new prices have come way down. There is probably some other corporate sleazebag reason for this move. We will probably never know it.
This article from MotorTrend goes a little more in depth on the decision versus the article posted by pcgeek from the Verge of all places. Anyway, a big concern from executives back in October was repair costs associated with their rideshare venture with Uber.

From the MT article.
The instigating factor seems to have been repair costs for rideshare EVs, which were much higher than expected. This is not maintenance costs, which Hertz notes are lower than ICE vehicles, but rather collision repair costs. According to Johann Rawlinson, Hertz VP of Investor Relations, "collision and damage repairs on an EV can often run about twice that associated with a comparable combustion engine vehicle." The difference is significant enough that it weighed significantly on Q3 earnings.

Read more here if interested. It's a good article.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
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This article from MotorTrend goes a little more in depth on the decision versus the article posted by pcgeek from the Verge of all places. Anyway, a big concern from executives back in October was repair costs associated with their rideshare venture with Uber.

From the MT article.


Read more here if interested. It's a good article.


OMG the Verge!

Was there some glaring error in the Verge Article?

Your article was more in depth. Thumbsup I was only broaching this as a subject of note.
 

bbhaag

Diamond Member
Jul 2, 2011
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OMG the Verge!

Was there some glaring error in the Verge Article?

Your article was more in depth. Thumbsup I was only broaching this as a subject of note.
It's nothing personal man. You wouldn't go to a steakhouse and order the fish or go to a burger joint and order the chicken sandwich so why go to a tech news site for automotive news.
 
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