Only upgrade every 4-6 years, worth it to go Ryzen 2700 + X470?

[StinkyPinky]

If you are going for long term use, then imo the only options are 6c/12t or 8c/16t cpus. I'd avoid 6c/6t. So that leaves the 8700k, 8700, 2600, 2600x, 2700, and 2700x. Pick one and go with it, at this point I don't think there's such a big difference.

The 2700x comes with a decent cooler so I would be leaning towards that but any of the above will last quite awhile imo.

 

[USER8000]

If you don't need the extra 2 cores / 4 threads, most definitely. Though it should be mentioned that the 2600 only comes with the Wraith Stealth, a 65W rated HSF that won't allow much overclocking headroom. The 2600X comes with the Wraith Spire which is rated for 95W I believe, a much better choice for overclocking, though the 2600X is already clocked so high at stock that there is almost no headroom left, so for most people its probably better to just get the 2600X and let XFR do its thing.

I looked at the computerbase.de gaming figures and the Ryzen 5 2600,was very near to the Ryzen 5 2600X,so it would intriguing to see what the difference in real life clockspeeds are,when running games.

 

[turtile]

Since everything is so expensive, I'd just wait another year for the next generation. 7nm and architecture will make a huge difference and Intel should have 8 cores around that time.

And since Intel has just jumped to 6 cores and potentially 8, the 2700X is definitely a great deal for a system that is going to be kept long term. Developers now have no choice but to use more threads on modern processors so I'd expect future games to possibly surpass Intel's current offerings. And you will be able to drop in to Zen 2 if you want in the future.

 

[Markfw]

So that is 2 reviews that go against the grain. Basically, either the majority is wrong, or something is up with H and Anandtechs testing.

I can list 10+ reviews that show the 'expected' gaming results, which to most would be a lead for the 8700K in gaming.

Since AMD was about (generally accepted) 10% behind, and now they are 10% faster, why would "the majority" say the 8700k should be faster ? They should be about equal.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Since AMD was about (generally accepted) 10% behind, and now they are 10% faster, why would "the majority" say the 8700k should be faster ? They should be about equal.

Yeah. Win some tests and lose some tests. I wouldn’t fault anyone for saving a little bit of money with a 2700x system and using the stock cooler. Just like I would t fault someone for choosing an 8700k and a high end cooler for some overclocking.

 

[Zucker2k]

The Ryzen 5 2600X comparison with the Core i5-8600K is much closer than the higher-end parts. These components share core counts, although the Ryzen 5 has double the threads. For any multithreaded workload that can take advantage of simultaneous multithreading is likely to pull ahead. The Core i5-8600K is slightly ahead in core frequency, and is expected to have an IPC advantage as well. Again, AMD bundles the CPU with a good stock cooler, whereas Intel’s offering is poor-to-nil.

Overall, AMD is claiming that its high-end processors will come in within 1-2% of the competition at 1440p gaming, but give +20% in ‘creative performance’. We’ve got a few ways to test this.

So even AMD with their normally skewed take on hardware comparisons with rival Intel (because they test their systems against Intel systems fitted with slow ram and crappy coolers, and in favourable game titles) even AMD indicated they are within 1-2% of Intel in (the more favourable to AMD) 1440p Gaming, whereas the people who are supposed to be neutral in all these have found ways to neuter the Intel systems even further for whatever reason? Hmmm. Way to go! Or is anybody here trying to tell me AMD tested against unpatched Intel systems? LMAO! The desperation is real, but time will surely tell when the dust clears.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1262...yzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600#comments

 

[tamz_msc]

So even AMD with their normally skewed take on hardware comparisons with rival Intel (because they test their systems against Intel systems fitted with slow ram and crappy coolers, and in favourable game titles) even AMD indicated they are within 1-2% of Intel in (the more favourable to AMD) 1440p Gaming, whereas the people who are supposed to be neutral in all these have found ways to neuter the Intel systems even further for whatever reason? Hmmm. Way to go! Or is anybody here trying to tell me AMD tested against unpatched Intel systems? LMAO! The desperation is real, but time will surely tell when the dust clears.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1262...yzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600#comments

Not sure what you're ranting about. Hardware.fr testing with DDR4 2400CL15 and Windows 10 Anniversary with no GPZ patches shows that the 2600X is 17.5% faster than the 8600K in applications.

 

[Kolath]

First off, THANK YOU! This thread got way more replies than I expected. Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

A couple quick questions:

1. R7 2700 vs 2700X - $40 difference, I'm assuming probably just worth it to go X, but is it just speed advantage?
2. SSD I'm seeing M.2 and SATA 6, which interface do I want? I'm assuming right now I'm going with an X470 board that presumably has both ports? Having not really shopped for SSDs before I'm a little unclear how much the type matters.
3. Of X470 mobos, I'm thinking Gigabyte X470 Aurus Ultra, sound good? I do not need Wifi (have ethernet)
4. Lastly, memory, I want 16 GB, don't care about LEDs (case has not window) best value?

Current Draft Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($164.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.85)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PB278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $957.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-22 13:00 EDT-0400

 

[tamz_msc]

First off, THANK YOU! This thread got way more replies than I expected. Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

A couple quick questions:

1. R7 2700 vs 2700X - $40 difference, I'm assuming probably just worth it to go X, but is it just speed advantage?
2. SSD I'm seeing M.2 and SATA 6, which interface do I want? I'm assuming right now I'm going with an X470 board that presumably has both ports? Having not really shopped for SSDs before I'm a little unclear how much the type matters.
3. Of X470 mobos, I'm thinking Gigabyte X470 Aurus Ultra, sound good? I do not need Wifi (have ethernet)
4. Lastly, memory, I want 16 GB, don't care about LEDs (case has not window) best value?

Current Draft Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($164.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.85)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PB278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $957.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-22 13:00 EDT-0400

Get the 2700X as you'll get a guaranteed 4 GHz precision boost on all cores with the stock cooler. The 2700 non-X doesn't boost as high. If you're not handling large files on a regular basis, then a SATA SSD is going to be enough. 250 GB is sufficient for a boot drive and most frequently used apps. There are cheaper() ways of getting Windows, and I'd suggest you put the difference into buying faster RAM. It'll be beneficial when you upgrade your GPU in the future.

 

[Markfw]

1) That would be up to you, I always get the fastest.
2) M.2 SSD is up to 10 times faster than a SATA SSD. 960 EVO would be my choice.
3) I love the Taichi
4) You want 3200 CL14, this is the most important to get the performance of Zen.

 

[exquisitechar]

R7 2700 vs 2700X - $40 difference, I'm assuming probably just worth it to go X, but is it just speed advantage?

The 2700X also comes with the higher quality Wraith Prism cooler. As tamz_msc said, it will boost to significantly higher frequencies all core and single core. The 2700X seems worth the price to me, especially since you don't upgrade often.

 

[krumme]

So that is 2 reviews that go against the grain. Basically, either the majority is wrong, or something is up with H and Anandtechs testing.

I can list 10+ reviews that show the 'expected' gaming results, which to most would be a lead for the 8700K in gaming.

The differences is just so minor ram speed and timings, patches, widows mode and cooling comes into play. Its not like AT and H tries to fool people. Just different setup and game selection.
And at xmp settings for ram at say 3000 i am sure the 8700k is those 8 percent faster in gaming at 1080 with a 1080ti. Without stock cooler. Non oc.
Its just an expensive bet to take considering the throughput is a good deal slower as shown in productivity loads.
And again as computerbase shows using tight timings and fast ram gets the gaming difference into a few percent if not the same.
I mean if you can get a good cooler for the 8700k - and anyway you are practically forced to it - i am sure you can get good ram for your 2700x.
This is not for fastest 144Hz gaming the next year or two but about a 4 year perspective. Its always a bet but i think the conservative bet here is throughput aka cores wins long term.

 

[Markfw]

So even AMD with their normally skewed take on hardware comparisons with rival Intel (because they test their systems against Intel systems fitted with slow ram and crappy coolers, and in favourable game titles) even AMD indicated they are within 1-2% of Intel in (the more favourable to AMD) 1440p Gaming, whereas the people who are supposed to be neutral in all these have found ways to neuter the Intel systems even further for whatever reason? Hmmm. Way to go! Or is anybody here trying to tell me AMD tested against unpatched Intel systems? LMAO! The desperation is real, but time will surely tell when the dust clears.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1262...yzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600#comments

The only desperation I see here, is you trying to find ways to explain away why the new Ryzen is Intels equal in gaming.

 

[turtile]

I would invest in a 500GB SSD if you want to load your games on it. SSDs are pretty cheap now due to oversupply.

 

[Kolath]

There are cheaper() ways of getting Windows, and I'd suggest you put the difference into buying faster RAM.

Such as? Definitely happy to pay less! (Yes, I know there is supposed to be a way to just use it for $0 with no personalization features and some minor popup reminders). But is there something in between?

3) I love the Taichi

But its almost $100 more... what does the Taichi add for that cost? If ASRock is better, I see an ASRock X470 Master SLI/AC for $140

 

[Markfw]

Such as? Definitely happy to pay less! (Yes, I know there is supposed to be a way to just use it for $0 with no personalization features and some minor popup reminders). But is there something in between?


But its almost $100 more... what does the Taichi add for that cost? If ASRock is better, I see an ASRock X470 Master SLI/AC for $140

For one, a 16 phase pwer delivery system. I had to go find the second CPU cord for my AX860i to my new Taichi can be powered on. More power=better chance for overclocking and/or stability.
And $230 is $80 more than that one you quoted AR on both

 

[krumme]

First off, THANK YOU! This thread got way more replies than I expected. Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

A couple quick questions:

1. R7 2700 vs 2700X - $40 difference, I'm assuming probably just worth it to go X, but is it just speed advantage?
2. SSD I'm seeing M.2 and SATA 6, which interface do I want? I'm assuming right now I'm going with an X470 board that presumably has both ports? Having not really shopped for SSDs before I'm a little unclear how much the type matters.
3. Of X470 mobos, I'm thinking Gigabyte X470 Aurus Ultra, sound good? I do not need Wifi (have ethernet)
4. Lastly, memory, I want 16 GB, don't care about LEDs (case has not window) best value?

Current Draft Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($164.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.85)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PB278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $957.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-22 13:00 EDT-0400

Ram at 2400 is not going to cut it for a 2700x - even a 8700k will get very handicaped by that. Its 3000 and up for both and preferably 3200 cas 14 for ryzen. And if you need 8700k speed for gaming you have to fork out for 3433c15. Thats darn expensive.
Sorry. The 2700x stock cooler is fine but it takes some good ram. Go for 3200c14.

If you can save on the mb do that. All modern mb is durable. I would go for asrock or what is cheapest of the big brands. Same for the 8700k. You dont have to oc. I wouldnt even do that on a 8700k if gaming is the most used.

I would also opt for a 960 m2 ssd if i was buying a ssd today and had the cash. Otherwise the 850 is a fine ssd.

If you dont have the cash for more than 2666 ram i would go for a Intel 8400 based system again with cheapest mb.

 

[positivedoppler]

So even AMD with their normally skewed take on hardware comparisons with rival Intel (because they test their systems against Intel systems fitted with slow ram and crappy coolers, and in favourable game titles) even AMD indicated they are within 1-2% of Intel in (the more favourable to AMD) 1440p Gaming, whereas the people who are supposed to be neutral in all these have found ways to neuter the Intel systems even further for whatever reason? Hmmm. Way to go! Or is anybody here trying to tell me AMD tested against unpatched Intel systems? LMAO! The desperation is real, but time will surely tell when the dust clears.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1262...yzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600#comments

Everyone should be testing Intel cpu with their stock coolers so people will know what type of performance is expected out of the box without spending another $50+ on cooling.

 

[tamz_msc]

Such as? Definitely happy to pay less! (Yes, I know there is supposed to be a way to just use it for $0 with no personalization features and some minor popup reminders). But is there something in between?

If you're willing to compromise on ethics, there are G2A-like resellers who sell Windows 10 OEM licenses for cheap.

 

[Kolath]

How much does CAS 14 vs. 15 vs. 16 matter?

Some possible memory options I'm seeing:

• G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL 14 for $210 <-- Cheapest 3200 with CL <=15 on PC Part picker
  
• G.Skill Ripjaw V 3200 CL 16 for $180 @ Microcenter (similar on PC Part picker)
• G.Skill Ripjaw V 3000 CL 15 for $162

 

[Markfw]

How much does CAS 14 vs. 15 vs. 16 matter?

Some possible memory options I'm seeing:

• G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL 14 for $210 <-- Cheapest 3200 with CL <=15 on PC Part picker
  
• G.Skill Ripjaw V 3200 CL 16 for $180 @ Microcenter (similar on PC Part picker)
• G.Skill Ripjaw V 3000 CL 15 for $162

This is what I would get https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232217
The 2 at 209 you had were OOS. I have this in 2 of my Ryzens.

CAS16 is not samsung b-die, and its not near as good. The 3000 I would not do.

 

[Kolath]

Thanks Markfw. Looks reasonable. I take it b-die is the particular part I want?

 

[IEC]

Thanks Markfw. Looks reasonable. I take it b-die is the particular part I want?

It's the physical IC (chip) used to make the RAM modules. That particular part # is the only one capable of 3200 CL14 speeds, so 3200 CL14 is guaranteed to be "B-die". Which is the best memory period, but especially for Ryzen. Can typically get 3333 CL14 or 3466 CL14 with tuned timings even on X370/Ryzen 1st gen, so with Ryzen 2nd gen you are likely to get similar or better results.

 

[Kolath]

Thank you for explanation. The one downside of upgrading so infrequently is I always have to relearn the current jargon/technical stuff. But it is kind of fun knowing the nitty gritty details.

 

[cmdrdredd]

First off, THANK YOU! This thread got way more replies than I expected. Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

A couple quick questions:

1. R7 2700 vs 2700X - $40 difference, I'm assuming probably just worth it to go X, but is it just speed advantage?
2. SSD I'm seeing M.2 and SATA 6, which interface do I want? I'm assuming right now I'm going with an X470 board that presumably has both ports? Having not really shopped for SSDs before I'm a little unclear how much the type matters.
3. Of X470 mobos, I'm thinking Gigabyte X470 Aurus Ultra, sound good? I do not need Wifi (have ethernet)
4. Lastly, memory, I want 16 GB, don't care about LEDs (case has not window) best value?

Current Draft Build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($164.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.85)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PB278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $957.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-22 13:00 EDT-0400

1) the x has a higher base turbo boost speed and a better stock cooler.
2) M.2 drives are faster but I personally went with normal SATA SSDs for my new build because they are much cheaper for the same capacity and the real world difference you will notice is very small.
3) seems like a good board. I like how it looks. I’m always an Asus fan but they don’t have the best 470 boards.
4) I went with Corsair LPX DDR4-3200 memory. 16GB for $210 was about the best I could find. It’s not the fastest memory or the cheapest but I think the value is there. Plus they are low profile so large air coolers don’t get in the way.