So there you go again: implying that they're right. How is that different from me implying that they're wrong?Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Maybe they already found the answer? Once I solve a math problem, I don't typically go hunting for other possible solutions. Have you found any answers yet? How hard are you looking?Originally posted by: gutharius
Part of searching for an answer is to look for that answer in more than one source of informational reference. Anything else is a blind answer and is self defeating.
I never implied that they're right, merely that they found a solution. When I go to turn in my math homework, I don't know 100% whether or not the problem is correct, but it's my best try at achieving the correct solution.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
So there you go again: implying that they're right. How is that different from me implying that they're wrong?
Look, if the only "searching" you do is in the same spot, you're bound to miss a whole lot of other things. And once you believe you're right and once you believe you've found the answer, you stop looking. Math is a logical process while religion not so much. Solving a math problem != finding the right spiritual path. It's two completely different things.
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
None of us have all the answers, of course, but neither does that mean we have to believe the first fantastical line of BS we hear either. The 1/3 of Americans that take the bible literally have stopped looking for answers. They've stopped asking "Why?" and instead have sold-out, settling for a set of beliefs pre-packaged and designed to appeal to man's need to fill the holes in his knowledge base. There's no longer any intellectual curiousity there.Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Perhaps some lack the humility required to acknowledge they might not have it all figured out, don't have all the answers.Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Perhaps science and information has advanced too rapidly for some people. Feeling left behind and bewildered, they are comforted by embracing old myths that require no knowledge or thought, just blind belief.
It's quite sad, really.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I never implied that they're right, merely that they found a solution. When I go to turn in my math homework, I don't know 100% whether or not the problem is correct, but it's my best try at achieving the correct solution. This is your first problem, most of us can conclude that our homework is done properlyOriginally posted by: DealMonkey
So there you go again: implying that they're right. How is that different from me implying that they're wrong?
Look, if the only "searching" you do is in the same spot, you're bound to miss a whole lot of other things. And once you believe you're right and once you believe you've found the answer, you stop looking. Math is a logical process while religion not so much. Solving a math problem != finding the right spiritual path. It's two completely different things.
Religion can be very much a logical process. It's certainly not for all people, but it can be. For myself, I cannot look around at what I see and logically conclude that, at the very least, there wasn't at least some force that started the process that put us where we are today. Arriving at this conclusion for some is a lifelong process What a surprise, Fox News link. Did you save this two month old article about religious epiphany and "seeing the light" just for instances like this where infidels needed to be smited? , for others it's plain as day from when they are a child. The interpretation of this force is certainly open to interpretation. I don't criticize those who doubt its existence, which is why I take exception to those who do criticize those who do not doubt. If we spent our lives looking at the ground thinking about ourselves we would miss out on what life is, interacting with humans and nature. Playing religious fantasy with the bible and your mind leads to isolated tunnel vision that permanently disables one from seeing the world for all it is worth
Originally posted by: shoRunner
I wonder how many responding know or have a christian friend. what i see alot of is mass generalization--christians are dumb, southern, bush supporting, backwards people that are out to put a stop to 'science'. maybe you should stop going off of the crazy tv 'evangalist' generalization of christianity. being open minded is a good thing...and can go two ways...
The difficulty of my homework (PhD level math and engineering) is why I used it as an analogy for this situation. It's not uncommon to spend two weeks solving a single problem using a technique that we've never used before. After fifty pages of algebra, calculus, and differential equations, how sure would you be that you arrived at the correct solution? Sorry that we're not all still in middle school algebra and can be so sure of our solutions as you. :roll:Originally posted by: Brackis
This is your first problem, most of us can conclude that our homework is done properly
Do you doubt the veracity of the story, or are you just trolling? My guess is the latter.What a surprise, Fox News link
This just demonstrates that you are not religious. For those who are, religion makes life as full as it can be. Studies have shown that religious people are happier, suffer from fewer mental problems, and so on. You can blame this on whatever you like, and I'm sure I can anticipate your response, but there it is.If we spent our lives looking at the ground thinking about ourselves we would miss out on what life is, interacting with humans and nature. Playing religious fantasy with the bible and your mind leads to isolated tunnel vision that permanently disables one from seeing the world for all it is worth
Originally posted by: SuperTool
When are they gonna be raptured already so we don't have to hear anymore of this cr@p? If these morons are going to heaven, eternal hellfire is starting to sound pretty attractive
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Do you doubt the veracity of the story, or are you just trolling? My guess is the latter.What a surprise, Fox News link
Bigotry, idiocy, lack of any debate skills -- these are the characteristics of you. I did indeed doubt the veracity of an abstinence study funded by the world's foremost supplier of birth control and abortions, as should anyone with a brain. That's the equivalent of Joe Camel funding a study on the probability of non-smokers developing lung cancer.Originally posted by: aidanjm
Did you doubt the veracity of tss's study on abstinence the other day, or were you just trolling when you dismissed the results of that study due to it's supposedly biased source? What a hypocrite you are. Hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty -- these are characteristic qualities of the christian.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
The difficulty of my homework (PhD level math and engineering) is why I used it as an analogy for this situation. It's not uncommon to spend two weeks solving a single problem using a technique that we've never used before. After fifty pages of algebra, calculus, and differential equations, how sure would you be that you arrived at the correct solution? Sorry that we're not all still in middle school algebra and can be so sure of our solutions as you. :roll: If you wanted to discuss a PhD level problem involving theory and advanced mathematics, do so in the first place. Homework is interpereted as something that is done during the evening hours for a class the next day. Your communication skills are lacking. Even when it comes to advanced mathematics one can always trace back a problem to a concrete origin, or seek the council of their peers until it is without a doubt correct.Originally posted by: Brackis
This is your first problem, most of us can conclude that our homework is done properly
Do you doubt the veracity of the story, or are you just trolling? My guess is the latter.My point is clear, Fox News falls right into the stereotype of indoctrinated right wing Christianity. The fact that they would have an extensive article about a single unimportant man "seeing the light", and that you would make such a big deal about it, shows the eagerness of your type of conservatives to somehow prove that overzealous faith is the answerWhat a surprise, Fox News link
This just demonstrates that you are not religious. For those who are, religion makes life as full as it can be. Studies have shown that religious people are happier, suffer from fewer mental problems, and so on. You can blame this on whatever you like, and I'm sure I can anticipate your response, but there it is. I am religious in a way that works for me and comes from contemplation about my place in regards to the world of people past, present, and future, so you can go fuck yourself for implying i'm a lost soul. If you consider being in a lifelong coma of religion happiness, by all means you nuts are as perfect as they come.If we spent our lives looking at the ground thinking about ourselves we would miss out on what life is, interacting with humans and nature. Playing religious fantasy with the bible and your mind leads to isolated tunnel vision that permanently disables one from seeing the world for all it is worth
I wrote a simple analogy. I wasn't in the market for an autobiography until someone shot their mouth off. I always work on homework with my classmates, as none of us can do it on his own. In engineering problems, assumptions are made that are not always verifiable, particularly in a theoretical problem. How many such problems have you encountered that you can sit here and lecture me on determining the correct answer?Originally posted by: Brackis
If you wanted to discuss a PhD level problem involving theory and advanced mathematics, do so in the first place. Homework is interpereted as something that is done during the evening hours for a class the next day. Your communication skills are lacking. Even when it comes to advanced mathematics one can always trace back a problem to a concrete origin, or seek the council of their peers until it is without a doubt correct.
If you knew anything of philosophy, you would know how 'unimportant' this guy is. Of course, you've already demonstrated your ability to try to sweep everything under one rug. Problem is, it's starting to bulge and people are noticing.My point is clear, Fox News falls right into the stereotype of indoctrinated right wing Christianity. The fact that they would have an extensive article about a single unimportant man "seeing the light", and that you would make such a big deal about it, shows the eagerness of your type of conservatives to somehow prove that overzealous faith is the answer
I made no such implication - not even close. Thanks for proving that you're just an anti-Christian bigot with the debating skills of a fetus.I am religious in a way that works for me and comes from contemplation about my place in regards to the world of people past, present, and future, so you can go **** yourself for implying i'm a lost soul. If you consider being in a lifelong coma of religion happiness, by all means you nuts are as perfect as they come.
I'd like to see at least one case of these wild claims. Don't waste too much time - you won't find it.Originally posted by: Brackis
You're the one accusing me of having a lack of debating skills??!
Is it not you who has used the same retorts of bigotry and lack of debating skills to, in your mined, refute anyone who challenges any portion of the Christian dogma?
Translation: it's a hundred times easier to make generalizations about any group that you're not a part of. People mock what they don't understand.It is a hundred times easier to categorize blind evangelical Christians than it is to categorize those who challenge such indoctrination. All the sheep follow the same Shepherd who preaches that god's pastures are just around the bend, while those with any ounce of skepticism can look down from any point of higher ground to see that the sheep are being lead in a circle around a single valley.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Bigotry, idiocy, lack of any debate skills -- these are the characteristics of you. I did indeed doubt the veracity of an abstinence study funded by the world's foremost supplier of birth control and abortions, as should anyone with a brain.Originally posted by: aidanjm
Did you doubt the veracity of tss's study on abstinence the other day, or were you just trolling when you dismissed the results of that study due to it's supposedly biased source? What a hypocrite you are. Hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty -- these are characteristic qualities of the christian.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
That's the equivalent of Joe Camel funding a study on the probability of non-smokers developing lung cancer.
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Translation: it's a hundred times easier to make generalizations about any group that you're not a part of. People mock what they don't understand.
That would definitely encompass the Fundies.Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Perhaps some lack the humility required to acknowledge they might not have it all figured out, don't have all the answers.Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Perhaps science and information has advanced too rapidly for some people. Feeling left behind and bewildered, they are comforted by embracing old myths that require no knowledge or thought, just blind belief.
That's not searching for answers. That's having already found their answers.Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Most of them spend more time praying/doing religion-related activities than anyone else I know. They read the bible daily at least. Are you more active in searching for 'answers' than that? I'm certainly not.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I don't know that they're wrong, of course, yet they've clearly stopped seeking wisdom or answers . . .
Hop on down to GA for a little while.Originally posted by: shoRunner
I wonder how many responding know or have a christian friend. what i see alot of is mass generalization--christians are dumb, southern, bush supporting, backwards people that are out to put a stop to 'science'. maybe you should stop going off of the crazy tv 'evangalist' generalization of christianity. being open minded is a good thing...and can go two ways...
My sister is an EvangWhacko Priestess and all her friends are Fund A Mental Cases and they are exactly as Moyers stated. Are they the norm for Christians? No because if they were we'd still be sewing Scarlett letters on Adulterers and putting non believers in stockadesOriginally posted by: shoRunner
I wonder how many responding know or have a christian friend. what i see alot of is mass generalization--christians are dumb, southern, bush supporting, backwards people that are out to put a stop to 'science'. maybe you should stop going off of the crazy tv 'evangalist' generalization of christianity. being open minded is a good thing...and can go two ways...
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
My sister is an EvangWhacko Priestess and all her friends are Fund A Mental Cases and they are exactly as Moyers stated. Are they the norm for Christians? No because if they were we'd still be sewing Scarlett letters on Adulterers and putting non believers in stockadesOriginally posted by: shoRunner
I wonder how many responding know or have a christian friend. what i see alot of is mass generalization--christians are dumb, southern, bush supporting, backwards people that are out to put a stop to 'science'. maybe you should stop going off of the crazy tv 'evangalist' generalization of christianity. being open minded is a good thing...and can go two ways...
If you can find me a copy of the study, I'll be more than happy to do so. Even you cannot be so naive as to think they would publish a study that would inevitably decrease their business. Thus, they 'knew' the outcome before they made an effort to examine the situation. Claiming otherwise, as you are so fond of saying, is sleazy dishonesty. Of course, all this is irrelevant because the common third grader knows the difference between a study and a news story. Even the third grader knows it's illegal for FOX to fabricate news, so there's a pretty good chance the story is true. :roll:Originally posted by: aidanjm
And yet you identify no flaws in the study design, in fact you dismiss the study out of hand with no explanation given other than that you think it's source is not trustworthy. Criticising Brackis for doing the same thing is the height of hypocrisy.
Are all members of a group identical? In this case, are all members just blind sheep, as you stated, or is there a possibility that some have examined their beliefs? Let me know when you figure out what a generalization is and why they are typically inaccurate when you try to apply them to all members of a group. :roll: at the claim of logic.Originally posted by: Brackis
Ding! Ding! Ding!
A group!
What is a group you might wonder? An organizing of people who share a common way of living life. Thus it is very easy to say that they are similar and can be generalized in one way or another.
Non religious logic wins again.