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K1052

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60% tariffs on our largest trading partner seem troublesome from an inflation perspective as well.

Europe is going to catch some of this as well and he's likely to close the border entirely with Mexico unless they relent on his immigration demands. Basically setting off a neutron bomb over the economy seems like a bad idea people should be told about.
 

eelw

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Alternatively, the media could focus on the actual stakes of the election like health care, regulation, whether we return a criminal psychopath who attempted a coup to power, etc.

Hahahaha. Just kidding. They won’t do that.
Yup it’s idiotic todays headlines of him swearing after seeing the report. What, he’s not allowed to display emotions?

And I trust the people around him to 25A his old ass if he displays bouts of dementia. Unlike the orange monkey’s gang of merry butt kissers that will hide it and play puppet master.
 
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hal2kilo

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That was a fucking Trump appointee SC. He violated DOJ rules about not "whining" about the decision he handed down, no adjectives nothing. If he weren't protected by the SC laws he should be reprimanded.
If Trump gets back in office, this is just the beginning of shitty behavior by government officials.
This is what I'm talking about.

 
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Like I’ve always said, Jon Stewart was right when he said the bias of the press is towards sensationalism and laziness. Horse race pieces are easy to write. Gaffes or scandals are sensational and get clicks. Policy analysis and informing people of the real stakes? Both hard to write and boring.

Yeah, has struck me that the US media and the UK media are both biased, but the bias seems to take very different forms. Not just in terms of partisan political teams supported, but in qualitative terms. Haven't quite got a grip on what the difference is, though.

The US media seems prone to timidity, to a follow-the-pack and don't-rock-the-boat mentality, as well as being extremely shallow, for the most part. It often just seems unbearably _bland_ (Fox excluded, obviously).

But it doesn't blatantly _lie_ and make stuff up nearly as frequently as ours does. It even puts a high value on 'fact-checking', though it seems to have a weird sense-of-priorities as to which facts merit checking.

Ours is mostly just quite open, partisan propaganda, that doesn't even pretend to be anything else, including behaviour that borders on outright criminality at times (e.g. the phone hacking scandal). What depresses me is we are now seeing a multiplicity of TV "news" stations appearing, directly repeating the long-standing extreme, often mad, partisan bias of the print media (Talk TV, GBNews, I lose count).
 

fskimospy

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Yeah, has struck me that the US media and the UK media are both biased, but the bias seems to take very different forms. Not just in terms of partisan political teams supported, but in qualitative terms. Haven't quite got a grip on what the difference is, though.

The US media seems prone to timidity, to a follow-the-pack and don't-rock-the-boat mentality, as well as being extremely shallow, for the most part. It often just seems unbearably _bland_ (Fox excluded, obviously).

But it doesn't blatantly _lie_ and make stuff up nearly as frequently as ours does. It even puts a high value on 'fact-checking', though it seems to have a weird sense-of-priorities as to which facts merit checking.

Ours is mostly just quite open, partisan propaganda, that doesn't even pretend to be anything else, including behaviour that borders on outright criminality at times (e.g. the phone hacking scandal). What depresses me is we are now seeing a multiplicity of TV "news" stations appearing, directly repeating the long-standing extreme, often mad, partisan bias of the print media (Talk TV, GBNews, I lose count).
There are basically two types of US media:

1) Mainstream media. As mentioned their bias is towards maximum clicks/eyeballs at minimum expense, as their goal is to make money. This leads to a bias towards sensationalism (more money) and laziness (less expensive). While individual journalists may be liberal the institutions have no ideological goal outside of maximizing profit.

2) Conservative media. The purpose of conservative media is to act as the propaganda wing for right wing political causes/parties. While making money is great of course, that is not the goal and they are very willing to sacrifice money for partisan political gain. For example the NY Post recently and famously made a profit for the first time in like nearly a half century under Rupert Murdoch. He did not care that it lost money, its purpose was to spread right wing news.

You'll notice that there is no liberal media in the US and that's both true and I'm fine with it not being there as propaganda blows. There have been some attempts to create it (Air America Radio, for example) but they have been unsuccessful.
 
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hal2kilo

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White House is having yet another briefing on this shitty report. What I can't believe is the unbelievable ignorance of almost all of the reporters asking the same questions over and over again and not listening to the briefer. Media is now part of the problem with our democracy. Apparently, English must be a second language for half of them. I'm beginning to lose hope!
Edit: As the briefer keeps saying to the idiots. Read the report!
 
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You'll notice that there is no liberal media in the US and that's both true and I'm fine with it not being there as propaganda blows. There have been some attempts to create it (Air America Radio, for example) but they have been unsuccessful.
There is left/liberal media in the US. Politico, Mother Jones, The Nation, The Intercept are just a few which come immediately to mind. It's just that they don't have anywhere near the readership or impact that Fox News has. Apparently, "we" don't do outrage all that well.
 

hal2kilo

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There is left/liberal media in the US. Politico, Mother Jones, The Nation, The Intercept are just a few which come immediately to mind. It's just that they don't have anywhere near the readership or impact that Fox News has. Apparently, "we" don't do outrage all that well.
Also Salon. Politico is just left of center.
 

fskimospy

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There is left/liberal media in the US. Politico, Mother Jones, The Nation, The Intercept are just a few which come immediately to mind. It's just that they don't have anywhere near the readership or impact that Fox News has. Apparently, "we" don't do outrage all that well.
I agree there are some websites out there but the aren't even remotely the size of NYT, Fox, CBS, ABC, etc.

And also I agree with the others - Politico is not a liberal news organization.
 
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The funny thing is, if Biden did have a legitimate memory problem, we would have heard about it by now. DC is filled with people who love to gossip, and the president meets with tons of people (plenty who would have no particular reason to protect him). Someone would have spilled the beans by now if the senility thing has any merit to it.

The media continues to play blind adversary, because controversy sells. Why put critical thinking into the reporting that might end up with something boring when you can just horse race/bothsides/"scandal" everything to make $$$?
 

K1052

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The funny thing is, if Biden did have a legitimate memory problem, we would have heard about it by now. DC is filled with people who love to gossip, and the president meets with tons of people (plenty who would have no particular reason to protect him). Someone would have spilled the beans by now if the senility thing has any merit to it.

The media continues to play blind adversary, because controversy sells. Why put critical thinking into the reporting that might end up with something boring when you can just horse race/bothsides/"scandal" everything to make $$$?

Biden should just do more press and preferably when he's not pissed off. The gaffe factor will fade into the background once again.

He's old. Trump's old. We've got two old guys as the presumptive nominees. This is just reality.
 

gothuevos

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I will support Biden as long as Biden wants it.

But if Biden steps out, as much as I dislike him, Newsom gets it. He has the organization and the profile to pull it off right now.

What are the chances we get a surprise pull out from Biden?

From the report, he couldn't remember when he was VP, if it started or ended in 2009 vs 2013. He missed his son's death by "several" years. He was all over the place. This is almost elder abuse. Surely any other carbon copy Dem can carry forward his agenda without having to deal with the competency issue scaring away just enough voters in swing states to make a difference.

Biden, please put your ego aside and do what's best for the country. You did what needed to be done in 2020 and we are forever grateful, but time to pass the batton. Don't pull an RBG and wait too long. Consequences are too dire.
 
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eelw

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Oh come on. A rock or cockroach can replace Biden and they'd be lightyears ahead what a Repugican can do
 

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What are the chances we get a surprise pull out from Biden?

From the report, he couldn't remember when he was VP, if it started or ended in 2009 vs 2013. He missed his son's death by "several" years. He was all over the place. This is almost elder abuse. Surely any other carbon copy Dem can carry forward his agenda without having to deal with the competency issue scaring away just enough voters in swing states to make a difference.

Biden, please put your ego aside and do what's best for the country. You did what needed to be done in 2020 and we are forever grateful, but time to pass the batton. Don't pull an RBG and wait too long. Consequences are too dire.
Yes, because this report is a bastion of truth and consistency. if Biden is incompetent than Trump is as well. The is country will end because people want it to at this point. It is amazing that one guy who can’t distinguish between a former Speaker of House and one running against him gets a pass while the competent President gets ridiculed after a laughably partisan hatchet job.

Then again, justice Thomas’s wife (and of course he knew about it) actively participated in an insurrection and he didn’t recuse himself regarding case of man who led insurrection and no one cared. That is when I realized this country is a failed state regardless of what happens in election. Truth and objective reality are dead, shot by alt-facts.

i know if Trump wins election my significant IRA portfolio will go to money market that day so it is relatively safe for the oncoming depression. 60% tariffs … it is like willful national suicide
 
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K1052

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What are the chances we get a surprise pull out from Biden?

Zero point zero percent chance.


From the report, he couldn't remember when he was VP, if it started or ended in 2009 vs 2013. He missed his son's death by "several" years. He was all over the place. This is almost elder abuse. Surely any other carbon copy Dem can carry forward his agenda without having to deal with the competency issue scaring away just enough voters in swing states to make a difference.

Might Biden have trouble remembering dates? Maybe. A lot of people do though so I don't think we should necessarily be treating a report from Hur, who clearly has partisan motivations, to be a reliable analysis of his mental state. Also what the absolute fuck was he doing asking about his dead son? Was it intentional to make him flustered?


Biden, please put your ego aside and do what's best for the country. You did what needed to be done in 2020 and we are forever grateful, but time to pass the batton. Don't pull an RBG and wait too long. Consequences are too dire.

We have two old dudes running for office. Get used to it.
 

brycejones

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What are the chances we get a surprise pull out from Biden?

From the report, he couldn't remember when he was VP, if it started or ended in 2009 vs 2013. He missed his son's death by "several" years. He was all over the place. This is almost elder abuse. Surely any other carbon copy Dem can carry forward his agenda without having to deal with the competency issue scaring away just enough voters in swing states to make a difference.

Biden, please put your ego aside and do what's best for the country. You did what needed to be done in 2020 and we are forever grateful, but time to pass the batton. Don't pull an RBG and wait too long. Consequences are too dire.
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