Oops! Biden's turn in the Classified Documents barrel.

[HomerJS]

Conservative media feel that Ofc. Chauvin was innocent and should be released from prison, the sympathy has sapped.....

Biden should have told Sens. Scott and Booker to do a piecemeal reform, because the police unions are extremely powerful, he knows, he worked with them to pass the 1994 crime bill.

The powerful police unions favored the assault weapons ban. We see where that got us

 

[MrSquished]

I do know people. I know young people who need to be inspired. In this political climate, they are lunatics. I'll label them how I see fit. I don't care about persuading people to stop being lunatics. If people want to let democracy die for some nonexistent ideal, choo choo motherfuckers, I'll see you on the other side.

You are actually really fucking dumb. Thanks for spelling it out.

You don't have to persuade people really; just have a basic competent candidate that can do softball and fluff interviews and maybe even a couple that aren't so easy, and fucking be on camera without it being a fucking risk every time. Is that so much to ask? Is that really so much to ask? A major political party in a country of over 300 million can't come up with one goddamn candidate that can even just handle a widely watched interview? Let alone maybe four of them? I mean give them an option. Apparently if people need anything like that, to you, they are lunatics. Look in the mirror.

You don't even expect that from your leader? That's pretty sad. Not everyone can be a political junkie, not everyone understands that Trump is a Nazi, the don't watch tons of the news and the major news sources suck anyway, as WE KNOW VERY WELL HERE - study fucking human history man, learn something. This happens all the time to populationsbecause dumbfuck pseudo-intellectuals like yourself think - oh man, we don't really have to do much, just not be them. My god, you are a fucking insane person.

 

[Pohemi]

Well, I agree with most of your first paragraph anyway. And I get your point, but c'mon man. The frothing.

 

[MrSquished]

Well, I agree with most of your first paragraph anyway. And I get your point, but c'mon man. The frothing.

I had a polite conversation with the guy, he doubled down, and in fact called anybody that needed a candidate that could actually talk on tv, as lunatics, and fucking let democracy die, fuck them, so be it. All because it's a lot to ask for a competent candidate - which includes, btw, being able to do interviews.

If you don't think that deserves a pretty emphatic response, I dunno what does. It's a completely insane point of view. Let the fascists win because I have to defend my guy from even reasonable criticism and he can't accept we live in an unperfect world where we need someone that can actually be a leader, like talk to the people they lead, vs being kept under wraps. Like that is too high a standard.

He's a fucking loon.

 

[Pohemi]

Well what I agree with is that Biden isn't a good candidate, and old for the office. But I see Dank's point of view that when you have to choose between the two likely options, to have to decide is lunacy. You don't need to watch political news to know what kind of person and president Trump is. You'd have to be living under a rock, and you shouldn't be voting if that were the case IMO.

If you're undecided because you haven't seen enough interviews, then yeah, I agree it's kind of crazy.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Conservative media feel that Ofc. Chauvin was innocent and should be released from prison, the sympathy has sapped.....

Yes, that's what I said.

Biden should have told Sens. Scott and Booker to do a piecemeal reform, because the police unions are extremely powerful, he knows, he worked with them to pass the 1994 crime bill.

That'd be an interesting sell considering how conservatives across the nation were told that Democrats were going to get rid of police a.k.a. "De-fund the Police"

 

[pmv]

I had a polite conversation with the guy, he doubled down, and in fact called anybody that needed a candidate that could actually talk on tv, as lunatics, and fucking let democracy die, fuck them, so be it. All because it's a lot to ask for a competent candidate - which includes, btw, being able to do interviews.

If you don't think that deserves a pretty emphatic response, I dunno what does. It's a completely insane point of view. Let the fascists win because I have to defend my guy from even reasonable criticism and he can't accept we live in an unperfect world where we need someone that can actually be a leader, like talk to the people they lead, vs being kept under wraps. Like that is too high a standard.

He's a fucking loon.

Absurdly over the top. Though I agree insofar as it's pretty shocking that these two are the only options the system can come up with - the Mango Mussollini vs Methuselah. Suggests the system has gone badly wrong somewhere along the line.

But we are where we are and it would indeed be crazy to opt for the racist who shows every sign of wanting to end democracy over the guy who's uninspiring and suffering age-related deterioration.

 

[dank69]

You are actually really fucking dumb. Thanks for spelling it out.

...

You're welcome.

 

[trenchfoot]

You mean we don’t have a foreign minister?

Yes though you are right. He constantly talks about race, even in cases where it’s baffling, and he does the long and tired ‘I used to be a liberal’ thing.

Also he reminds me of @Young Grasshopper where if you ask him about any of these things he ignores them.

That right there is a feature of the GOP, ever more so the day Trump infamously declared his candidacy. Willful ignorance of his many faults and criminal behavior because party first and country last while defending Trump's numerous indefensible personality disorders and the resultant authoritarian racist slant his actions revealed became a hallmark of the party's agenda that to me can't be described any other ways than group hysteria and insanity.

 

[eelw]

because party first and country last

lol with this revenge tour, it’s actually world last. Him pandering to the autocrats and dictators will just further embolden them with their iron hand.

 

[K1052]

You don't have to persuade people really; just have a basic competent candidate that can do softball and fluff interviews and maybe even a couple that aren't so easy, and fucking be on camera without it being a fucking risk every time. Is that so much to ask? Is that really so much to ask? A major political party in a country of over 300 million can't come up with one goddamn candidate that can even just handle a widely watched interview? Let alone maybe four of them? I mean give them an option. Apparently if people need anything like that, to you, they are lunatics. Look in the mirror.

Democratic primary voters had their say in NH over an alternative and resoundingly decided no thanks. Even None of the Above barely did any better in Nevada. Wishcasting that the DNC is either inclined or powerful enough to push Biden out is pointless. Just like the RNC can't do anything about Trump even though it is extremely clear Haley is far more electable.

Pining for something that isn't going to happen is pointless.

 

[Zorba]

Come on, they die in the line of duty. Most cops are supporting Trump again, despite the crap he did on Jan. 6.

A lot of cops don't like Biden, including some FBI agents, a lot of them in the FBI NY office that undermined Hillary Clinton and the laptop thing.

A lot of the FBI agents will try to undermine Biden again and bring up Hunter, hence why Biden should consider stepping down for the sake of the country.

I want to hear about policy, not horserace stuff the media talks about

"I want to hear about policy not horse races!!!!” also "I want the most successful policy president in recent history to step down!!!"

Obvious trolling is obvious.

 

[Zorba]

Nope, but I live in a deep red state so I can thankfully NOT vote for either one of them without feeling guilty about it.

Anyone that doesn't vote forfeits their right to bitch. Don't care if the outcome of your state is predetermined. And for someone that is extremely concerned with the fascists taking over, refusing to vote for Biden is about as stupid as it gets.

 

[Indus]

You are actually really fucking dumb. Thanks for spelling it out.

You don't have to persuade people really; just have a basic competent candidate that can do softball and fluff interviews and maybe even a couple that aren't so easy, and fucking be on camera without it being a fucking risk every time. Is that so much to ask?

Do you in any way feel these kinds of voters can be persuaded by a basic competent candidate??

 

[Jaskalas]

I'd sure like to know what CBP and Police think of Trump and the GOP sabotaging the border deal that would have made things better for them?

Do you not know?
MAGA will be under the delusion that Republicans killed a bad / FAKE bill that would have accomplished nothing, so they can keep the issue alive for a "REAL FIX" once Trump and Republicans are in power next year.

The question is not what CBP and Police think... the question is how many of them are aligned with MAGA. For that will dictate how they think, and all the results that follow.

 

[Zorba]

And they get shot in the line of duty as well, so it is a pretty dangerous job I would not want to do, but they have to do it and they feel leftwing politicians are in the way of it with the regulations.

So do gas station cashiers.

 

[Jaskalas]

Do you in any way feel these kinds of voters can be persuaded by a basic competent candidate??

You're going off the rails by comparing apples to oranges.
Nobody said we need to reach out to MAGA extremists.

But are you actually standing here, ready to argue that Biden is the best candidate we can muster?
Or that we can find no value in doing better?

 

[MrSquished]

Democratic primary voters had their say in NH over an alternative and resoundingly decided no thanks. Even None of the Above barely did any better in Nevada. Wishcasting that the DNC is either inclined or powerful enough to push Biden out is pointless. Just like the RNC can't do anything about Trump even though it is extremely clear Haley is far more electable.

Pining for something that isn't going to happen is pointless.

oh come on, you know a concerted write in campaign is essentially useless, and there was no concerted campaign anyway.

I'm not even pining for something to happen, I'm trying to explain something to people that wish to behave willfully ignorant, and just that is not going well because so-called intelligent democrats are acting like fools. This is just a discussion here, where did I actively say let's come up with a plan to sideline Biden? That would be pining.

 

[MrSquished]

Do you in any way feel these kinds of voters can be persuaded by a basic competent candidate??

Have you even actually read my posts in this thread? If you did, reread them, because you missed entire major points.

 

[Zorba]

Hard disagree. I hear the Biden 'frail or memory or what not' from people I know who are lifelong democrats. Like in three dimensional land - family, colleagues, friends. And I definitely see it online. They want a leader who is more inspiring and at least if Biden showed his face in prime time events and shut down some of the narrative, that would greatly help.

I think Biden can beat Trump but I mean he should be trying harder. Politics is narrative. If you don't think the polls OF Democrats about Biden are valid, I guess you take that risk.

I think Trump has distorted our view of how much we should see a president. Then it doesn't help that he still gets more coverage then Biden.

 

[K1052]

oh come on, you know a concerted write in campaign is essentially useless, and there was no concerted campaign anyway.

I'm not even pining for something to happen, I'm trying to explain something to people that wish to behave willfully ignorant, and just that is not going well because so-called intelligent democrats are acting like fools. This is just a discussion here, where did I actively say let's come up with a plan to sideline Biden? That would be pining.

Premise: Voters in Dem primaries are interested in alternatives to the incumbent President:

Evidence so far:

 

[Zorba]

pretty crazy that people that seem intelligent are in such a cult to 'their guy' they are throwing absolutely basic reason and logic out the window to not allow criticism of them. What a shame.

I can go to a movie to get inspired. Biden has been an incredibly good president and you and other Dems shitting on him all the time will not get us Obama 2.0, it'll get us Trump 2.0.

Whining about Biden not being inspiring serves no purpose at this point, politics is a compromise. I'd rather have the guy that gets shit I like done, than a guy that looks good giving inspirational speeches that gets nothing done.

 

[Indus]

I can go to a movie to get inspired. Biden has been an incredibly good president and you and other Dems shitting on him all the time will not get us Obama 2.0, it'll get us Trump 2.0.

Whining about Biden not being inspiring serves no purpose at this point, politics is a compromise. I'd rather have the guy that gets shit I like done, than a guy that looks good giving inspirational speeches that gets nothing done.

LOL..

 

[eelw]

You're going off the rails by comparing apples to oranges.
Nobody said we need to reach out to MAGA extremists.

But are you actually standing here, ready to argue that Biden is the best candidate we can muster?
Or that we can find no value in doing better?

Well yeah name another Dem with enough nationwide recognition to win the general. And it looks bad for the party to not trust the incumbent.

But with that being said why Moscow Mitch didn’t take the opportunity to flush the orange turd when he had the chance.

 

[MrSquished]

I can go to a movie to get inspired. Biden has been an incredibly good president and you and other Dems shitting on him all the time will not get us Obama 2.0, it'll get us Trump 2.0.

Whining about Biden not being inspiring serves no purpose at this point, politics is a compromise. I'd rather have the guy that gets shit I like done, than a guy that looks good giving inspirational speeches that gets nothing done.

I'm just trying to help you understand humanity other than yourselves.

It's apparently impossible.

Maybe if you understood other people, you could get them more engaged with the the options they have now. But you have to understand things first.