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iRONic

Diamond Member
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I’m able to speak to disillusioned uninspired people and convince them to vote, because I can actually see where they are coming from.

Instead here we have pseudo intellectual Democrat policy wonks leading with -well he is great or the greatest president in my lifetime, and if you can't see that, you're insane and deserve the worst.

What a bunch of fucking clowns.
My first and last comment about your posts in this thread…

If you are truly talking to people like this outside of the forum, at work, on the street, or in your neighborhood, you probably have a shit load of stitches in your face and several broken bones!

Yeah, the frothing.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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I understand that Biden is a weak candidate, he has terrible numbers, and inspires nobody. People want at least someone that can ace a couple fluff interviews during dire times. Biden can't do that. I am able to sympathize with them because I don't have the attitude like most here 'well, if you need any kind of any slight inspiration or a leader who can show their face without screwing something up' - you are needy and I can talk down to you.

I acknowledge this part of them and I tell them, I totally get it, Biden is definitely not the guy I wanted, he does have a lot of negatives, part of that is the sensationalist media narrative, part of it is yes, he's old and looks like shit, but he is what we have, and has done more than expected in his presidency, and is still competent, and it's a simple matter - this election we have to defeat not just Trump, but take back the House and Senate as well, so everyone needs to vote, in every state, in every race. I can relate to all these people. This is an easy approach, if you have even the capability to see any of those things.

Apparently very few people here can. The leading limousine liberal @fskimospy I expected this from, but surprised at others.

According to people's posts here it's more like. Well you are needy bitches, politics ain't like tv, who care if Biden can't even handle a simple interview, he's one of the greatest presidents in my lifetime, the fact you want a candidate that can seem assertive and handle a few questions on primetime tv, that's ridiculous, why would you need that?
 
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fskimospy

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TIL I'm elitist because I can read returns from an actual primary and not think that politics is an episode of The West Wing.
You’re such an elitist where you look at primary votes to see what the voters think instead of magically conjuring up an alternate reality where they all secretly agree with you.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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Funnily people also seem to forget, the 2020 election was way way too close for comfort. @fskimospy pretends it was a historically large and profound win (ignoring the electoral college which is kind of important) I've also never said Biden can't win this time, I think Trump is imploding quite well actually. I am no gotheuvos or Indus with saying sky is falling shit like we are losing New York, etc..

But just trying to get people to understand a single basic thing so they can convince more people to get out and make an effort to vote, just by understanding some pretty basic human condition things, is impossible.

It's a mini cult of - our approach and our guy are beyond approach, and if anybody else needs anything more, well, some people here call them loons and deserve fascism, and others here just dismiss it as, let them eat cake, their neediness is beneath us. And also literally ignoring history where this has happened time and time again.
 
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gothuevos

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Anyone that doesn't vote forfeits their right to bitch. Don't care if the outcome of your state is predetermined. And for someone that is extremely concerned with the fascists taking over, refusing to vote for Biden is about as stupid as it gets.
You can worry about fascists taking over and still feel that Biden is unfit. If I was in a swing states and the stakes were higher, of course I'd vote Biden.

But I can safely refuse both garbage options.
 
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Indus

Lifer
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If this is so simple ask the RNC why they are not just picking a much more electable candidate.

Their base

Funnily people also seem to forget, the 2020 election was way way too close for comfort. @fskimospy pretends it was a historically large and profound win (ignoring the electoral college which is kind of important) I've also never said Biden can't win this time, I think Trump is imploding quite well actually. I am no gotheuvos or Indus with saying sky is falling shit like we are losing New York, etc..

I think you've made my case for me.. 2020 wasn't a large or decisive win and Trump imploding narrative was huge against Hildabeast.

As much as I hate Trump and Trumpanzees I can't bring myself to underestimate their chances..

FFS I'm reminded every time I go to buy pizza by the ahem "Italian Americans"!
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Uncontested primary votes, this is your evidence of this big enthusiasm for Biden and overcomes all his bad numbers in polls on almost everything else with lots of Dems and Independents when we need turnout in every race everywhere? Bigly sad.

If you want to be angry at somebody be angry at Dem primary voters who are sending a quite clear signal that they overwhelmingly support Biden not the people who are simply telling you this is happening.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Their base

Yes, this is true for both parties. The base of the GOP likes Trump, the base of the Dems like Biden.

People who want to scream about the problems associated with either of them in the general are free to do so of course but this outcome directly reflects the overall will of the party voters.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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You can worry about fascists taking over and still feel that Biden is unfit. If I was in a swing states and the stakes were higher, of course I'd vote Biden.

But I can safely refuse both garbage options.
downballot races bro, plus every vote counts because you want the numbers when everything is counted to look as decisive as possible. get out and vote dude.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Yes, this is true for both parties. The base of the GOP likes Trump, the base of the Dems like Biden.

People who want to scream about the problems associated with either of them in the general are free to do so of course but this outcome directly reflects the overall will of the party voters.
incorrect. if you look at polls of Dems, overall the numbers show more of the base did not really want him to run than those who did. here you are talking about the overall will of the voters when Biden is running unopposed, because of course if he wants to run as president, nobody should oppose him. But pretending this reflects the will of the party voters, an uncontested primary, is just sad and so intellectually dishonest.

To ignore what polls of Dems actually say, then flaunting the numbers of a primary when there are really no other choices, is pretty pathetic. Of course Biden has supporters. I'll vote for him in the damn primary too. But to pretend this formality of a primary is indicative of much of anything is a joke.
 

K1052

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incorrect. if you look at polls of Dems, overall the numbers show more of the base did not really want him to run than those who did. here you are talking about the overall will of the voters when Biden is running unopposed, because of course if he wants to run as president, nobody should oppose him. But pretending this reflects the will of the party voters, an uncontested primary, is just sad and so intellectually dishonest.

To ignore what polls of Dems actually say, then flaunting the numbers of a primary when there are really no other choices, is pretty pathetic. Of course Biden has supporters. I'll vote for him in the damn primary too. But to pretend this pretend primary is indicative of anything is a joke.

To sum up what pollsters found on this topic:

Dem voters: We would prefer somebody else besides Biden in 24.

Pollsters: OK. How about any of these people? (insert list of actual live Dem politicians)

Dem voters: eeeeehhhhhh. We'll vote Biden again if he is running.

Pollsters: Ok. How about a "generic democrat"

Dem voters: Of course that would be perfect.

Pollsters: Any of these come close? (same list as above consisting of actual people).

Dem voters: Nope.

Pollsters: So....




This is how we end up with the base aligned behind Biden.
 

Greenman

Lifer
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Well as I mentioned before.. New Yorkers clearly didn't want a major progressive city and over the last 4 years I've seen a massive shift in immigrant communities turning away from dems to GOP.

Like almost all candidates on the GOP candidate list are immigrant asians/ blacks/ latinos.. because their shops are getting victimized by the no cash bail and criminals just mugging their shops at will and police not being able to do anything.

This isn't some Fox News propaganda.. it's observing and talking to people. So yes I do think New York can flip to Trump especially as he's a former New Yorker and a businessman like them.. as retarded that reasoning is.. would honestly set us back decades.

I'm reminded of Ana Kasparian venting on TYT in 2016 when she tried to remind everyone not to ask for the moon.. Obama's America is the best we've ever had and withholding votes from Hillary would only set us back.. but maybe that's what we need to see how terrible things can get.

Hopefully people get their heads out of their asses but I have my doubts!
I can't reconcile the two statements in italics. It seems like you would want to be set back decades. Crime sucks, decriminalizing theft doesn't make life better for anyone except thieves. If theft is just accepted, why would a thief ever pay for anything?
 

gothuevos

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downballot races bro, plus every vote counts because you want the numbers when everything is counted to look as decisive as possible. get out and vote dude.
I live in a heavily gerrymandered, deep red state. A Dem wouldn't even win dog catcher here.

And I never said I wasn't voting. Will prob write in for Pres.
 
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Pens1566

Lifer
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When is the last time an incumbent wasn't put forth as the party's nominee in the next general?

When is the last time there was even a hint of someone else replacing them?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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What did Trump accomplish besides 3 conservative SCOTUS justices and tax cuts for the rich?

Both people are against
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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why the fuck would you write in for Pres? That's mental.

He just revealed himself to be a bigger idiot than Trumpanzees!

Mental is part of the package I think!

FFS I'd have moved to Michigan or even Montana where my vote mattered if he likes living in a cheap rural state so much!
 
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