Oops! Biden's turn in the Classified Documents barrel.

[imported_tajmahal]

Okay, so again you are arguing for the removal of all intent requirements from the law. If that's the case then lots and lots of Republicans are going to prison.

Yawn, tap dance all you want fskimo. Your hypocrisy is a constant source of amusement.

 

[HomerJS]

"Just ignore a Democrats violation of the law, you'll be fine" Right?

If you want to charge both for possession then fine. Let a jury decide.

However, you have the additional charge on Trump for obstruction of justice. Trump admitted he INTENDED to take the documents and then lied about having them when ordered to return.

It's called an aggravating factor I suspect a jury will not look kindly upon.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

President Biden had classified documents in the garage of his Delaware home

President Biden is under scrutiny for possessing classified documents as former President Donald Trump faces a criminal probe for a similar situation.

www.cnbc.com

For fucks sake, serve him with the same type of search warrant that was served on President Trump and we'll get to the actual truth about hidden classified documents.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yawn, tap dance all you want fskimo. Your hypocrisy is a constant source of amusement.

There's one crime for mishandling classified documents. That's mostly ignored (though it probably shouldn't be). There's another crime for lying to the US govt, and potentially using those documents for personal gain. That's what Trump's getting facefucked over.

 

[fskimospy]

Yawn, tap dance all you want fskimo. Your hypocrisy is a constant source of amusement.

There's no need to tap dance, you're just mad that the law doesn't say what you want it to because you know that means Trump gets indicted and nobody else does.

Here's the text of the law in question:

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

www.law.cornell.edu

Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

In case you're still struggling with understanding the very clear law someone must:
1) come into possession of classified material
2) remove them without authority
3) have the intent to retain them at an unauthorized location

Trump undoubtedly had classified material removed without authority and he's publicly stated that was his intent. So he easily satisfies all elements of the crime, which is why he's going to be indicted. Biden doesn't, so he won't be indicted.

I'm sorry that the law doesn't say what you want it to say but that's life - if you want to change the law to remove intent requirements then you need to talk to your congressman instead of just pretending it says what you want like a small child.

 

[fskimospy]

President Biden had classified documents in the garage of his Delaware home

President Biden is under scrutiny for possessing classified documents as former President Donald Trump faces a criminal probe for a similar situation.

www.cnbc.com

For fucks sake, serve him with the same type of search warrant that was served on President Trump and we'll get to the actual truth about hidden classified documents.

Trump was only served a search warrant after the government discovered he was deliberately lying to them about the documents in his possession.

This is what's so funny about this - Trump will be indicted solely because he was too stupid and corrupt to understand that he couldn't just steal US government documents and refuse to return them. Now he's going to pay the piper, and since you clearly care a lot about this I'm sure you're happy to see Trump face justice. Can you confirm?

 

[Pohemi]

I answered it asshole. "No idea", but all cases should be treated the same. So if Hillary is not charged for her egregious abuse of classified material and Biden isn't charged with keeping classified material in his fucking garage. No one should be charged. If President Trump has a special prosecutor assigned for his possession of classified material, Biden and Hillary should also have a special prosecutor assigned. There should not be a law only enforced against Republicans that isn't also enforced against Democrats, even with this highly partisan Justice Department.

It's called 'Intent' dumbass, but you know this unless you can't read. It's been pointed out to you repeatedly. I guess we need a ball peen to really make it stick?

Yawn, tap dance all you want fskimo. Your hypocrisy is a constant source of amusement.

Holy. Fucking. Projection. That's hilarious coming from you of all people. Nobody here is tapdancing other than you, you dishonest cvnt.

 

[HomerJS]

I already cited the law for that idiot Tajbot. Intent is required to which Trump already admitted.

That why I say charge them both. Biden will be found not guilty because of lack of intent.

 

[fskimospy]

It's called 'Intent' dumbass, but you know this unless you can't read. It's been pointed out to you repeatedly. I guess we need a ball peen to really make it stick?

Holy. Fucking. Projection. That's hilarious coming from you of all people.

I'm confident he is very aware of the intent requirements, Taj is just a gigantic liar.

People on here often confuse 'liar' with 'someone who disagrees with me' but Taj is one of the cases where the guy lies relentlessly about anything and everything. That's the reason why I find it amusing to trap him in things like this. He knows he's lying, he knows I know he's lying, but he still tries to lie his way out.

 

[trenchfoot]

I'll take censuring Biden along with an indictment and conviction of Trump any day of the week.

 

[UNCjigga]

Special counsel appointed to investigate the Biden documents. Good.

I’m sure the Snowflake Committee in the House will continue to whine about this.

 

[fskimospy]

Special counsel appointed to investigate the Biden documents. Good.

I’m sure the Snowflake Committee in the House will continue to whine about this.

I suspect it will be more of a 'See? This means Biden is guilty!' until the special counsel comes back and says no charges, at which point they will be part of the conspiracy.

This is further evidence that the DOJ expects Trump to be indicted - Garland didn't want to be the one to say no cause for charges against Biden when Trump is in the dock.

 

[HomerJS]

Special counsel appointed to investigate the Biden documents. Good.

I’m sure the Snowflake Committee in the House will continue to whine about this.

I'm fine with that. That's how it should be

 

[Vic]

The idea that someone else improperly storing classified documents is going to get Trump off the criminal hook for deliberately defying a subpoena and lying to the government about it is some sort of weird learned helplessness by people on the left and desperate wishcasting by people on the right.

The special counsel will not care what other people did and he's the only person making charging decisions here.

There is this bizarre belief that has entered our political sphere that if someone on one side does something wrong that that cancels out someone on the other side doing something wrong.

And it just doesn't work that way.

IMO this belief is pushed by corrupt politicians trying to use partisanship to evade accountability, and people need to stop falling for it.

 

[HomerJS]

I want people to take note in this thread on how the right and left treat the law and justice.

Righties are only interested in protecting their own and going after the left.

The left want justice to be applied equally.

Left leaning people are not objecting to the special counsel

 

[UNCjigga]

There is this bizarre belief that has entered our political sphere that if someone on one side does something wrong that that cancels out someone on the other side doing something wrong.

And it just doesn't work that way.

IMO this belief is pushed by corrupt politicians trying to use partisanship to evade accountability, and people need to stop falling for it.

It goes back to Hillary’s emails. GOP’s construct around her emails would make Schrödinger proud:

A) Hillary’s use of a private email server for official government comms constitutes a crime so severe as to justify imprisonment and makes her unfit for the highest office…and simultaneously…

B) Because Hillary “got away with it”, Team Trump can seize presidential records, improperly store classified documents (or declassify them with mind control), flush documents down the toilet, literally chew them up, and use private encrypted Signal accounts for government comms—none of which is impeachable anymore.

 

[echo4747]

AG Garland just announced a special counsel to investigate this matter

 

[Pohemi]

AG Garland just announced a special counsel to investigate this matter

I thought that had already happened a day or two ago? o.0

Or maybe it was only being discussed.

 

[fskimospy]

It goes back to Hillary’s emails. GOP’s construct around her emails would make Schrödinger proud:

A) Hillary’s use of a private email server for official government comms constitutes a crime so severe as to justify imprisonment and makes her unfit for the highest office…and simultaneously…

B) Because Hillary “got away with it”, Team Trump can seize presidential records, improperly store classified documents (or declassify them with mind control), flush documents down the toilet, literally chew them up, and use private encrypted Signal accounts for government comms—none of which is impeachable anymore.

It wasn't just that - senior Trump administration officials routinely conducted government business on their own fucking private email servers. Amazingly enough all the people who were apoplectic about that in 2016 suddenly stopped caring in 2017.

 

[interchange]

When it comes to defending Biden, I think we need to slow our roll here. Unintentional retention of classified especially SCI material is bad, and multiple sites indicates that the concern is broad. There is a lot that we don't know about who handled these documents and what measures to prevent classified documents from leaving the White House were taken and failed or not taken when they should have been. We don't know where Biden himself sits in relation to those questions. While there is nothing that we know that is criminal here, I don't think it's wise to say things couldn't lead there. Right now, special counsel investigation seems appropriate.

@fskimospy you've said this kind of thing is not uncommon and handled administratively. What's your source on that?

As for Trump, we can refer to that thread but from what is publicly known his actions were overtly criminal and fundamentally different than anything that is presently suspected with Biden. Anyone who legitimately thinks the FBI should raid Biden because of precedent set with Trump is either naive or biased. A search warrant was sought for Mar a Lago when the FBI learned that Trump's certification that he had complied with subpoena was false. If anything, they treated Trump with kid gloves in light of that fact. Unless there is similar evidence that Biden has willfully retained more documents, no such search is warranted.

 

[pete6032]

President Biden had classified documents in the garage of his Delaware home

President Biden is under scrutiny for possessing classified documents as former President Donald Trump faces a criminal probe for a similar situation.

www.cnbc.com

For fucks sake, serve him with the same type of search warrant that was served on President Trump and we'll get to the actual truth about hidden classified documents.

Do you understand that no warrant is needed because he is cooperating with authorities? Do you understand the difference between cooperating with authorities fully and not cooperating at all?

 

[Pohemi]

Do you understand that no warrant is needed because he is cooperating with authorities? Do you understand the difference between cooperating with authorities fully and not cooperating at all?

He probably understands just fine, believe it or not. He's just that fucking dishonest.

 

[sportage]

Biden said the classified documents were safely locked up in his Camaro. Works for me.

 

[hal2kilo]

After 8 years in office I'm not shocked that he ended up intermingling some stuff. This likely has happened to past presidents but it's flown under the radar. It doesn't look intentional and his own lawyers are the ones finding them, reporting them to the gov, and returning them without requiring an FBI raid to get them back after having lied about possessing them.

The situations are not equivalent.

Yep. I have a feeling that both Obama and Bush are thinking, shit I better not have any of this shit buried somewhere. Carter' is just old as dirt and isn't a bit worried.

 

[pcgeek11]

Biden said the classified documents were safely locked up in his Camaro. Works for me.

Locked up with his Corvette in the Garage.