Oops! Biden's turn in the Classified Documents barrel.

[Sunburn74]

Biden never should have had those documents but the fact they were found and returned immediately makes this a total a nothingburger. I don't think he can cite not knowing because honestly the staff these guys have are so large that it should have been found. The idea that the VP is personally filing away documents is funny to me: he should have people who do that.

In my work, there are certain sensitive files I need to keep track of and not misplace and certainly cannot keep when I'm gone. If I find such a misplaced file and immediately go through the proper channels to rectify it's, it's a total nothingburger. They're not going to fire me or whatever. If if lie about a misplaced file, refuse to give it back and require the company to take extreme measures to recoup what's theirs, certainly you can see how it's a totally different situation. Honestly this whole thing is a waste of time.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yep. I have a feeling that both Obama and Bush are thinking, shit I better not have any of this shit buried somewhere.

And they probably do.

 

[hal2kilo]

There's one crime for mishandling classified documents. That's mostly ignored (though it probably shouldn't be). There's another crime for lying to the US govt, and potentially using those documents for personal gain. That's what Trump's getting facefucked over.

It's obvious to me that there have been different rules for handling classified data by the high monkey monk's, and your average grunt worker. Where is their chain of custody tracking!

 

[akugami]

Biden never should have had those documents but the fact they were found and returned immediately makes this a total a nothingburger. I don't think he can cite not knowing because honestly the staff these guys have are so large that it should have been found. The idea that the VP is personally filing away documents is funny to me: he should have people who do that.

In my work, there are certain sensitive files I need to keep track of and not misplace and certainly cannot keep when I'm gone. If I find such a misplaced file and immediately go through the proper channels to rectify it's, it's a total nothingburger. They're not going to fire me or whatever. If if lie about a misplaced file, refuse to give it back and require the company to take extreme measures to recoup what's theirs, certainly you can see how it's a totally different situation. Honestly this whole thing is a waste of time.

Except the GQP will totally blow this out of proportion and make accusations and insinuations that what Biden did is worse.

Now, there's no excuse for Biden to have those files, and not have turned them in. It's a very bad look for Biden. But any sane and level headed person can see that Biden had no malicious intent, and definitely didn't mean to keep those files when they were supposed to be turned back in. Unlike the other guy, who seemed to have done it out of spite or for shits and giggles even when asked specifically to return them.

 

[echo4747]

Where is their change of custody tracking!

Even my county library knows when a person takes out a book. and they also know if it is not returned by due date.... in time they will notify you to return or you need to pay for a new copy

 

[kage69]

There is this bizarre belief that has entered our political sphere that if someone on one side does something wrong that that cancels out someone on the other side doing something wrong.

And it just doesn't work that way.

IMO this belief is pushed by corrupt politicians trying to use partisanship to evade accountability, and people need to stop falling for it.

So much this. I'm sure we all remember a certain period where Buttery Males were very much en vogue with those emotionally invested in right wing infotainment.

When Santos got dressed down by Tulsi Gabbard, the very first thing that sniveling worm whined in his defense was that he deserves a break because Joe Biden 'had told some lies.'

And the outrage addicted tribal asshats on the right gulp it down like beer.

 

[compuwiz1]

Hillary is probably feeling a bit deprived right now. But my emails!!!

 

[GoPackGo]

If they both broke the law Biden and Trump can share a prison cell.

 

[fskimospy]

If they both broke the law Biden and Trump can share a prison cell.

Agreed, but we shouldn’t play into the #bothsides thing. Trump clearly broke the law. There is as of now zero evidence that Biden broke the law. Until there is the default stance should be that Trump is prosecuted and Biden not.

At least if people want to enforce the law equally and fairly, which is an open question I guess.

 

[brycejones]

Hillary is probably feeling a bit deprived right now. But my emails!!!

Sir this is an Arby’s

 

[VRAMdemon]

I will say this ... The loosey-goosey way in which classified documents "appear" to be handled is quite troubling. Either they are treating classified documents quite cavalierly, or boring everyday dispatches are marked ‘classified’ willy-nilly. Maybe a bit of column A, a bit of column B. There should definitely be a procedure, a log, "something" that lists who has what so that it can be returned to the proper place. I can see how easy it was for Trump to pilfer boxes of CD.

 

[fskimospy]

I will say this ... The loosey-goosey way in which classified documents "appear" to be handled is quite troubling. Either they are treating classified documents quite cavalierly, or boring everyday dispatches are marked ‘classified’ willy-nilly. Maybe a bit of column A, a bit of column B. There should definitely be a procedure, a log, "something" that lists who has what so that it can be returned to the proper place. I can see how easy it was for Trump to pilfer boxes of CD.

I think people don’t realize how wide ranging classification is. TONS of shit you read in the news every day is classified information, so keeping track of it all is very hard.

Broadly speaking the US has a huge over-classification problem, which is why it’s treated cavalierly. You would be amazed at the stupid shit that is classified so what you suggest is impossible because of the work involved.

 

[hal2kilo]

I will say this ... The loosey-goosey way in which classified documents "appear" to be handled is quite troubling. Either they are treating classified documents quite cavalierly, or boring everyday dispatches are marked ‘classified’ willy-nilly. Maybe a bit of column A, a bit of column B. There should definitely be a procedure, a log, "something" that lists who has what so that it can be returned to the proper place. I can see how easy it was for Trump to pilfer boxes of CD.

In my experience, I had to check out anything classified, above Confidential, and while in my possession, had to follow all of the handling rules. I only locked my office (which adjoined a hallway to the shop I was supporting) when I was having a classified conversation on the STE phone, which typically involved knowing dates of when another shot was going to happen for planning purposes which was Secret. Normally, my office would not be locked, so if I had anything classified out, if someone I did not know came by, I would cover the document. By the end of the day, I had to turn in the document, although technically, I had a lockable desk, that could be used for overnight storage (at that time).

 

[nakedfrog]

I think people don’t realize how wide ranging classification is. TONS of shit you read in the news every day is classified information, so keeping track of it all is very hard.

Broadly speaking the US has a huge over-classification problem, which is why it’s treated cavalierly. You would be amazed at the stupid shit that is classified so what you suggest is impossible because of the work involved.

As I recall, the facility I used to work at, you could say some things about the facility, or some other things about it, but if you said some specific things all at the same time, then it was classified information and you could potentially be in trouble. So I just didn't talk about it at all

 

[Jaskalas]

Did Trump lie when asked for the documents back?

Wake me when he is ever charged for that.
Would be a nice day, and at least clarify the distinction to the public noise machine.
It WILL be drowned out, but at least we'll have a token to hold.

 

[hal2kilo]

As I recall, the facility I used to work at, you could say some things about the facility, or some other things about it, but if you said some specific things all at the same time, then it was classified information and you could potentially be in trouble. So I just didn't talk about it at all

I don't know how old you are, but in the early days, they'd have these big annual 'you've got to practice good security' day and they would show The Piece Of The Puzzel movie. Which was exactly about putting different pieces of unclassified information together to get a more higher level picture. Shit, being the geek I am, I remember reading all kinds of detailed technical stuff about the new cruise missiles in the Devry school library in Space and Aviation Weekly. This is before I even had an idea I would have been working in the career I had. Still, don't know how they used to get away with it.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Do you understand that no warrant is needed because he is cooperating with authorities? Do you understand the difference between cooperating with authorities fully and not cooperating at all?

How would you know? Really how the hell do you know this? Because you want to think it's so? Because you want to believe? So far they've found 3 different caches of classified information that they found on Nov. 2 2022 that they kept from the public until after the election and a couple of months longer. At least one cache was easily accessible by Hunter Biden and who the fuck knows who else?

 

[Pohemi]

Hillary is probably feeling a bit deprived right now. But my emails!!!

If you asked her now, I bet she'd say she had her fill already. I doubt she wants to sit through any more hearings.

Sir this is an Arby’s

This damn near killed me, lol.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Eskimospy has now been categorized as an F5 spin event, a warning should be issued.

 

[fskimospy]

How would you know? Really how the hell do you know this? Because you want to think it's so? Because you want to believe? So far they've found 3 different caches of classified information that they found on Nov. 2 2022 that they kept from the public until after the election and a couple of months longer. At least one cache was easily accessible by Hunter Biden and who the fuck knows who else?

Lol Taj is back!

I assume you’ve returned with a lust to explain to us why intent requirements should be deleted from US law or why you’re happy that Trump is facing the same law as you or I would.

 

[fskimospy]

Eskimospy has now been categorized as an F5 spin event, a warning should be issued.

Like I said earlier in this thread you’re primarily interesting because of your unrepentant lying. You know you lie constantly, you just don’t care because you aren’t a moral person.

 

[senseamp]

 

[fskimospy]

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This is a dumb comparison. The problem is that Trump deliberately kept the documents away from the country and then lied about it.

Trump is in trouble for lying, that’s it.

 

[Luna1968]

Agreed, but we shouldn’t play into the #bothsides thing. Biden clearly broke the law. There is as of now zero evidence that Biden broke the law. Until there is the default stance should be that Trump is prosecuted and Biden not.

At least if people want to enforce the law equally and fairly, which is an open question I guess.

FTFY

 

[Luna1968]

I think people don’t realize how wide ranging classification is. TONS of shit you read in the news every day is classified information, so keeping track of it all is very hard.

Broadly speaking the US has a huge over-classification problem, which is why it’s treated cavalierly. You would be amazed at the stupid shit that is classified so what you suggest is impossible because of the work involved.

have you ever worked with or even touched any piece of classified documents?