Fern, honestly I'm confused when you criticized eskimospy's comment about how libel law works in the U.S.
This is the portion you took issue with:
You then said, critiquing his statement:
But if you look at the para'd statement, bolded for your reading ease, it says the same thing eskimospy said......libel is making a written statement that either you have knowledge of it being false or write it with reckless disregard for the truth, which either or both define malice in libel law.
And, to be honest, Trump was speaking to newspapers writing "hit pieces" that he wants to be able to attack. Unfortunately, those "hit pieces" were and are all opinion pieces, not news. As far as I know, I can hold and write any opinion without being sued, or is this your ultimate contention....that people should be able to be sued for expressing an opinion?
Solid post, except define the use of torture and define the type of scumbag terrorists we're interrogating. A higher up ISIS official who is responsible for mass grave deaths? He wouldn't have rights under Geneva anyway. We can do what we want and have done what we wanted behind closed doors to get information.
If you think Trump would use a nuke then you're crazy and that indicates the media has indoctrinated you. He may be crass but he's not suicidal. He has a beautiful family to look after and loves to talk too dam much. I bet he gets more pleasure out of talking/bragging to people than sex.
Pointing out that this has been the policy of the Magic One, and almost certainly will be the policies of the Beastly One. Both of whom you enthusiastically support.
Now John McCain has also come out against Trump.
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/03/lunacy-bluster-unanswered-questions-trump-on-defense/
I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Generals come out against him after last night.
His aggressive stance towards whistle-blowers and warfare-via drone are, to me, his most egregious policies.
Right now China has the unique distinction of having leaders that make it look autistic (frequently tone deaf as well)
My friend who just exited the Marines last month informs me that should Trump be elected we should see a mass exodus from the branches. The recruitment worries of the Cheney years will be nothing by comparison. A single person's opinion, but one that I agree with given what I've heard from others as well as Trump himself. snip.
Sweet Lord. I do NOT think that you are against any actions that could affect the press ever, I think that you judge such actions solely on the basis of the political affiliation of those taking or proposing them. I realize that is a long sentence with some big words, but I have every faith that you can find someone with the ability to explain it to you.What on earth made you think I was against any actions that could affect the press ever?
I have seriously never met anyone quite so stupid that seemed to think they were quite this smart.
I dunno. Our last three Presidents' common response to China has been "How may we be your bitches today, sirs?" On that, Trump might well be an improvement. I'm also not at all sure what the 'special needs community' denotes or why you suspect that Trump might "go sit at China's table" when all his rhetoric has been against accommodating countries like China at our expense. But the recycling of the eternal "Nasty Republican will get us into a war" meme is duly noted.My friend who just exited the Marines last month informs me that should Trump be elected we should see a mass exodus from the branches. The recruitment worries of the Cheney years will be nothing by comparison. A single person's opinion, but one that I agree with given what I've heard from others as well as Trump himself.
Trump strikes me as the exact opposite of what you'd want for leadership in a war, and as much as I hate to say it, thanks to China we're probably going to have another war soon. I'd prefer a patient yet deliberate war chief type, with a demeanor befitting the office. Right now China has the unique distinction of having leaders that make it look autistic (frequently tone deaf as well), I think it would be a shame for the US to leave the crowd and go sit at China's table in order to help represent the 'special needs community.' It weakens us and our ability to protect our interests.
Thirty-five percent of primary voters who identified as members of the military or veterans voted for Trump, according to preliminary exit polling. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) picked up 23 percent of the military vote, while 21 percent sided with Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas). Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, meanwhile, received 8 percent of the military vote. (Military voters made up 17 percent of voters participating in Saturday's primary.)
Well, it's not criminal if they are an enemy combatant. They have zero rights and Geneva does not apply. Yes, this is even true for the obama admin who contains to detain enemy combatants (detainees). This program to capture terrorists and get info out of them isn't going away anytime soon regardless of administration.And yet no torture has ever yielded any actionable, or even valuable information. Don't read Cheney's account--read the de-classified accounts of the actual CIA investigators that personally handled these criminals.
Don't be daft: torture serves no purpose other than to create more terrorists in the wind. It is far easier, and you know--not criminal--to extract information by waving a carrot.
On this, we agree.
Well, it's not criminal if they are an enemy combatant. They have zero rights and Geneva does not apply. Yes, this is even true for the obama admin who contains to detain enemy combatants (detainees). This program to capture terrorists and get info out of them isn't going away anytime soon regardless of administration.
You mean like the 5+ generals did against Obama for failing to bomb ISIS targets? lulzI wouldn't be surprised if we saw Generals come out against him after last night.
Sweet Lord. I do NOT think that you are against any actions that could affect the press ever, I think that you judge such actions solely on the basis of the political affiliation of those taking or proposing them. I realize that is a long sentence with some big words, but I have every faith that you can find someone with the ability to explain it to you.
And just to help you differentiate reality and your fantasy world where you are an expert in literally everything and everyone admires your towering intellect, you haven't actually met me. Feel free to verify this with the person who buckles on your helmet when you go walkies. In the mean time, I invite you to kiss my ass and bark at the hole.
Silly zin, trying to box with those short arms again. :biggrin:what the fuck is this--just making up nonsense because you want to?
There is no argument to be made when you decide to make your own rules.
I guess you really have just been set to ultra-troll mode since the untimely departure of alkemyst.
And no--it is not disputed if torture works or not--It is known for a fact that it does not work by virtue that standard interrogation methods are far, far, far more effective. Anyone in the CIA or FBI that performs these interrogations will tell you this.
Jack Baur is fiction--but I can see how these things confuse you when you wholly make up shit like in that first statement.
Silly zin, trying to box with those short arms again. :biggrin:
I addressed this two days ago, Geneva Convention rights do not apply to unlawful enemy combatants (W's admin) nor detainees (Obama's).
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38069312&postcount=213
We can waterboard the fuck out of them if the new president wants to reinstate waterboarding as an interrogation technique against unlawful enemy combatants/detainees. The U.S. plays by its own rules since we're at the top of the military food chain.
Silly zin, trying to box with those short arms again. :biggrin:
I addressed this two days ago, Geneva Convention rights do not apply to unlawful enemy combatants (W's admin) nor detainees (Obama's).
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=38069312&postcount=213
We can waterboard the fuck out of them if the new president wants to reinstate waterboarding as an interrogation technique against unlawful enemy combatants/detainees. The U.S. plays by its own rules since we're at the top of the military food chain.
1045.Limitation on interrogation techniques
(a)Limitation on interrogation techniques to those in the Army Field Manual
(1)Army Field Manual 2–22.3 defined
In this subsection, the term Army Field Manual 2–22.3 means the Army Field Manual 2–22.3 entitled Human Intelligence Collector Operations in effect on the date of the enactment of this Act or any similar successor Army Field Manual.
(2)Restriction
(A)In general
An individual described in subparagraph (B) shall not be subjected to any interrogation technique or approach, or any treatment related to interrogation, that is not authorized by and listed in the Army Field Manual 2–22.3.
Fern, honestly I'm confused when you criticized eskimospy's comment about how libel law works in the U.S.
...or is this your ultimate contention....that people should be able to be sued for expressing an opinion?
Additionally, I don't readily see what "opinion" has to do with libel etc.
Fern
Owned as usual from your own link:Looks like you're the one trying to box with short arms, Obama's executive order that limited interrogations to what is present in the Army field manual was codified into statute last year:
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/pre...nse-authorization-act-solidifying-ban-torture
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/s1356 (section 1045)
So no, the president can't do that.
Silly Sp33dDemon.
Owned as usual from your own link:
(5) Interrogation by Federal law enforcement
The limitations in this subsection shall not apply to officers, employees, or agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Homeland Security, or other Federal law enforcement entities.
You and zin are pretty dam gullible if you actually believed this publicity stunt. Geneva rights will never apply to our terrorist detainees. Get that through both of your thick skulls. They will always leave it up to our CIA/FBI/DHS to do whatever they feel is necessary at the time with zero limitations. That is why Guantanamo is still open. Do you actually think we're playing monopoly with them in their cells to get the information we need? GTFOOH
Trump acts tough but the fact is that if he's president, you and I won't know if he's waterboarding anyway. He says he'll follow the law and the law says waterboarding is ok for the right agencies. So he's sticking to his word.It's funny how reason and factual evidence are not part of the simple equation in your thinking. Despite the full knowledge that torture does not work, you still toe the line from your handlers that it needs to be done.
But back to reality--now that Drumpf has officially stated that he will no longer support war crimes, and obey US law by outlawing torture, what say you?
Are you still sucking his dick, or just not all that concerned that he truly believes only what is valuable to him on any given second?
Your posts are fascinating to me. I see this type of thinking and projection as a lifetime's accumulation of disappointment and rage over being turned away at the start of the line for the roller coaster. That must suck.