Trump acts tough but the fact is that if he's president, you and I won't know if he's waterboarding anyway. He says he'll follow the law and the law says waterboarding is ok for the right agencies. So he's sticking to his word.
Look, I know it's a hard pill to swallow that waterboarding isn't completely banned but sometimes extreme situations call for extreme measures. You hope you never have to use them but you need to leave that option on the shelf just in case. This is why semi-autos should never be banned. You hope you never have to use one, but it's there just in case. Bottom line: we cannot limit the CIA/FBI/DHS.
Sweet Lord. I do NOT think that you are against any actions that could affect the press ever, I think that you judge such actions solely on the basis of the political affiliation of those taking or proposing them. I realize that is a long sentence with some big words, but I have every faith that you can find someone with the ability to explain it to you.
And just to help you differentiate reality and your fantasy world where you are an expert in literally everything and everyone admires your towering intellect, you haven't actually met me. Feel free to verify this with the person who buckles on your helmet when you go walkies. In the mean time, I invite you to kiss my ass and bark at the hole.
Did your boy Kasich let you down? Anyone who watches the debates has known he'll be in the Trump endorsement camp after Ohio. He's been around long enough to side with the winning team.
Owned as usual from your own link:
(5) Interrogation by Federal law enforcement
The limitations in this subsection shall not apply to officers, employees, or agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Department of Homeland Security, or other Federal law enforcement entities.
You and zin are pretty dam gullible if you actually believed this publicity stunt. Geneva rights will never apply to our terrorist detainees. Get that through both of your thick skulls. They will always leave it up to our CIA/FBI/DHS to do whatever they feel is necessary at the time with zero limitations. That is why Guantanamo is still open. Do you actually think we're playing monopoly with them in their cells to get the information we need? GTFOOH
Trump acts tough but the fact is that if he's president, you and I won't know if he's waterboarding anyway. He says he'll follow the law and the law says waterboarding is ok for the right agencies. So he's sticking to his word.
Look, I know it's a hard pill to swallow that waterboarding isn't completely banned but sometimes extreme situations call for extreme measures. You hope you never have to use them but you need to leave that option on the shelf just in case. This is why semi-autos should never be banned. You hope you never have to use one, but it's there just in case. Bottom line: we cannot limit the CIA/FBI/DHS.
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The desperation is palpable. When people lose power they never rightfully earned in the first place, it's going to sting.Also the open letter now has 109 signatures.
The desperation is palpable. When people lose power they never rightfully earned in the first place, it's going to sting.
That's because those agencies aren't part of the Department of Defense, genius. The FBI already prohibits torture and already considered it to be illegal. Additionally, the CIA is not part of the FBI or the department of Homeland Security, and is not considered a federal law enforcement agency. This 100% applies to them. Owned again.
It's hilarious that even when confronted with direct factual evidence that you're clueless you continue to flail and rage about this. It's also funny that you so confidently tried to declare that we will always let the CIA do what it wants with 'zero limitations' because you were too ignorant to realize that this law directly applies to them.
Also amusing to watch you shift to supportin whatever Trump says now. Your ego is so fragile.
Super Tuesday showed us that Trump has the power over these establishment idiots. 109 people just confirmed that power and it's a great advertisement for Trump. You may not like it, but Trump is a master of persuasion by using tactics like the double bind against his foes. You probably don't even know that is.Exactly. So how will you feel when you will never lose power, because you never got power you never rightfully earned in the first place?
Move the goalposts more. Now that you've realized you lost on the "waterboarding is illegal!" talking point you want to discuss the efficacy of torture. Not biting, because there are arguments for both sides. The bottom line is that our lawmakers said it should be left on the shelf as an option of last resort. I know this upsets you but that's life. If you feel so strongly about being humane, then you should be protesting the droning our own citizens without permission of other countries. That's 10X worse than waterboarding from a humane standpoint.Continue to deny the fact that it is a useless method. It is, in fact, worse than simply giving a fuckwit terrist a glass of water to drink.
You can't point to any information gained from torture, because none has.
"Well, they just aren't telling us for reasons!" No, no they aren't. That is quite the lie. We know very well from the CIA and FBI investigators and intelligence experts that torture, even in some fiction-based "time crucial" situation, is not effective.
If it makes you comfortable to think this is a valuable strategy, fine. No one is going to dissuade a short man from his sociopathic fetishes. We've learned that well enough from your posting history. I know that there isn't even a handful of numbers for you to vomit here in another vain attempt to prove some nonsensical argument. In fact, the reason you haven't number-saladed this issue is because you went searching, and didn't like what you found.
Hence, your current bloviating and dialing back into the "unproveable" sector of a soundly defeated argument.
I dunno. Our last three Presidents' common response to China has been "How may we be your bitches today, sirs?" On that, Trump might well be an improvement. I'm also not at all sure what the 'special needs community' denotes or why you suspect that Trump might "go sit at China's table" when all his rhetoric has been against accommodating countries like China at our expense. But the recycling of the eternal "Nasty Republican will get us into a war" meme is duly noted.
Move the goalposts more. Now that you've realized you lost on the "waterboarding is illegal!" talking point you want to discuss the efficacy of torture. Not biting, because there are arguments for both sides. The bottom line is that our lawmakers said it should be left on the shelf as an option of last resort. I know this upsets you but that's life. If you feel so strongly about being humane, then you should be protesting the droning our own citizens without permission of other countries. That's 10X worse than waterboarding from a humane standpoint.
Move the goalposts more. Now that you've realized you lost on the "waterboarding is illegal!" talking point you want to discuss the efficacy of torture. Not biting, because there are arguments for both sides. The bottom line is that our lawmakers said it should be left on the shelf as an option of last resort. I know this upsets you but that's life. If you feel so strongly about being humane, then you should be protesting the droning our own citizens without permission of other countries. That's 10X worse than waterboarding from a humane standpoint.
I almost hate wasting time on the torture part. Don't get me wrong, I'm against it and think it should be outlawed, but I know if the situation is pressing enough, our guys will just make arrangements so that certain people get to spend quality time at 40k feet with Mustafa and friends from the GID.
So provide proof that torture is illegal in the CIA, DHS, and FBI. You just showed us (hilariously and ironically from your own link) that the Army Field Manual does not apply to those agencies. Owned as usual. Keep up the "flailing and rage" rhetoric. Noone's buying it.
Summary: The bottom line is that waterboarding is still legal for certain agencies until you can show us otherwise. That's why Trump said he'll "abide by the law" now, because it's perfectly legal to waterboard but the general public doesn't know it because they can't read fine print (like you). Read your own links before making claims, it's downright embarrassing when they disprove your argument.
I've not once moved any goalpost, and I have never been wrong on waterboarding. It is still illegal, as it has been. You've yet to point to the actual statute as recognized by the US. Your logic here is simply based on "secrets that we can't and shouldn't know," which in no way points to legality.
In fact, the law has been shown to you, but you close your eyes. This is not surprising from someone that supports a sentient cabbage for the head of state.
Move the goalposts more. Now that you've realized you lost on the "waterboarding is illegal!" talking point you want to discuss the efficacy of torture. Not biting, because there are arguments for both sides. The bottom line is that our lawmakers said it should be left on the shelf as an option of last resort. I know this upsets you but that's life. If you feel so strongly about being humane, then you should be protesting the droning our own citizens without permission of other countries. That's 10X worse than waterboarding from a humane standpoint.
Why is your ego so wrapped up in whether or not Donald Trump said something dumb?