Operating Frequency Vs. L2 Cache

[fire400]

pathetic... get the point here, an X2 is a freakin' dual core that offers dual 512's and the 1mb on the Opteron is 1mb, you sort of get the same picture if you want performance, because both will offer you something very solid. obviously you can afford the X2, just freakin' get it and stop thinking about what the Opteron will offer you, because you can't afford it.

 

[Ziming]

The opteron 165 retail is still in stock at ZZF for $336 with free second day fedex shipping.

Opteron 165 retail

If you do go with the X2 3800 save yourself $3(newegg price gouging) and buy it from ZZF.
X2 3800

 

[harobikes333]

Originally posted by: fire400
pathetic... get the point here, an X2 is a freakin' dual core that offers dual 512's and the 1mb on the Opteron is 1mb, you sort of get the same picture if you want performance, because both will offer you something very solid. obviously you can afford the X2, just freakin' get it and stop thinking about what the Opteron will offer you, because you can't afford it.

Dude I can afford a Opteron its just is it worth it really:\:? Plus I want retail and the retail opterons are kinda a rip

 

[harobikes333]

So the question is. Is the opteron 170 worth the extra L2 cache and 2.2Ghz instead of the 3800 X2 with half the L2 cache and 2Ghz.

Is it worth the extra money? Also seeing that the OEM version of the opteron 170 has a 1 year warranty on it, if I pay the 15 dollars to the merchant to get three years covered is it just as good of a warranty as say a retail warranty?

 

[harobikes333]

Bump before I go to eat.

ok I'm just going to go with the 3800 X2.

Does anyone have any comments on which motherboard I should get????????

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: harobikes333
Bump before I go to eat.

ok I'm just going to go with the 3800 X2.

Does anyone have any comments on which motherboard I should get????????

I already posted some non-SLI mobos.

 

[harobikes333]

wizboy11 thanks alot for posting!

I've looked at those two and the the Epox doesn't say dual channel support in the specs, does it really not support dual channel...?

Now I'm alittle confused when It comes to the Expansion slots so I'll take a screen shot and hopefully someone can explain to me what mobo has what Here is the screenshot

on the right is the epox and on the left is the MSI

Help please?

 

[Reiniku]

In all honesty I think this thread went on a LOT longer than it should have. For non-ocing I see almost no reason to fork over for the raised prices of the opterons, get the x2. In terms of motherboards the choices of the Epox 9NPA+Ultra, MSI Neo4 Platinum, and DFI LP Ultra-D either will be a good choice. You're going to have more arguements over the motherboards than the cpus since they're more of a personal preference than a performance difference. People may enjoy working with one particular board over the other. I personally think that as a first time builder you should go ahead and get the MSI as I've felt the bios is a bit more user friendly (no experience on the Epox).

Edit: And being s939 the Epox DOES support dual channel.

 

[harobikes333]

Originally posted by: harobikes333
Bump before I go to eat.

ok I'm just going to go with the 3800 X2.

Does anyone have any comments on which motherboard I should get????????

Thanks for the reply reiniku I have already choosen the 3800 X2 and yes I know I should have just stuck with it in the first place>_<

I've been looking at those three motherboards and like you said its kinda personal preference but I'm kinda confused as to how many slots some of the motherboards have:\ so thats why I posted a screen shot hoping someone would know the answer.

One question I have one the two MSI and Epox boards is one has the Lan chipset, second lan chipset and max lan speed while the Epox only lists the max lan speed...<--So whats the difference here?

IEEE 1394= firewire right...? I myself don't own anything that uses one but I was just wondering.

For the audio ports why do you need 5 or 6??? Kinda confused there.

Also the Epox has 2 Onboard 1394 connectors while the MSI has only one, what is this for?

Hope to get some great help! I know I'm a noob

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: harobikes333

Originally posted by: harobikes333
Bump before I go to eat.

ok I'm just going to go with the 3800 X2.

Does anyone have any comments on which motherboard I should get????????

Thanks for the reply reiniku I have already choosen the 3800 X2 and yes I know I should have just stuck with it in the first place>_<

I've been looking at those three motherboards and like you said its kinda personal preference but I'm kinda confused as to how many slots some of the motherboards have:\ so thats why I posted a screen shot hoping someone would know the answer.

One question I have one the two MSI and Epox boards is one has the Lan chipset, second lan chipset and max lan speed while the Epox only lists the max lan speed...<--So whats the difference here?

IEEE 1394= firewire right...? I myself don't own anything that uses one but I was just wondering.

For the audio ports why do you need 5 or 6??? Kinda confused there.

Also the Epox has 2 Onboard 1394 connectors while the MSI has only one, what is this for?

Hope to get some great help! I know I'm a noob

Why not forget all the questions. Like said earlier, the motherboard is all personal preference. Some will say EPOX FTW!!! others will go for MSI or DFI.

I have no personal experience with ANY of them, but if I had to choose one (or two) Id choose the MSI or Epox, either one you get, you will be happy.

Also, For you information:
1394=firewire
On-board sound isn't the greatest.
All nf4 boards support 1000(giga)bit ethernet.
and no matter which one you choose, you'll get the same amount of slots <-At least comparing the MSI and Epox.

 

[harobikes333]

I've always listened to on-board sound so I don't plan on getting a sound card, mabe later.

I still don't know what they mean by 5 sound ports.... or 6 even, what do you need 5 or 6 sound ports for????

Also if the MSI has a second lan chipset what difference does that make? so you say all nf4 boards support 1000(giga)bit ethernet but what does that mean to me?...?

The DFI board is know not to like corsair value ram But I don't know if I want 512 sticks or not....:

I'm really sorry to have to bother all of you with all these questions I just want a good computer.

 

[Googer]

Seriouly, I would get an Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe. It is the same price as the DFI boards, it is cooler running, has more PCI-express lanes, Has eight phase power, and legendary ASUS quality. Also this board overclocks much better than the DFI and does not have all of the compatability issues that Lan Party boards have.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: harobikes333
When I first was looking at CPUs I was all for the 3800 X2 but then the Opteron came and swept through. But now seeing the price hike in the Opterons I'm wondering if the L2 Cache is that important.

I was comparing these

And basicly The 500 dollar one is kinda outa my budget, seeing my budget is 1500 max... with monitor, the works....

Should I just go with the 3800 X2?

For your purposes go with the 4400+, it's the easiest decision that you will make.

 

[harobikes333]

Comparing the dual cores

Um its 500 dollars and even if I get value ram with 2 gigs I still wouldn't be able to get that one...

I don't plan on OCing my retail CPU past stock voltage...

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: harobikes333
Comparing the dual cores

Um its 500 dollars and even if I get value ram with 2 gigs I still wouldn't be able to get that one...

I don't plan on OCing my retail CPU past stock voltage...

Then why did you have it on your compairison list? And there is no performance gain by using 2GB of RAM. Save some cash and get 1GB.

My suggestion is to get 1GB and a 4400+ The $100 you save by not purchasing 2GB can be used to buy a faster processor. RAM is cheaper than processors so when you need more than 1GB in the future you can buy some for very little money.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/13/how_much_ram_do_you_really_need/

http://images.tomshardware.com/2005/12/..._really_need/quake_4_ultra_quality.gif

 

[harobikes333]

Thats only 100 bucks less:\ the 3800 X2 is 300 about

 

[harobikes333]

bump before I go to sleep

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: harobikes333
Thats only 100 bucks less:\ the 3800 X2 is 300 about

Why is the 4400+ on your list in the first place? If you can't afford it then don't look at it. The way to decide what CPU to buy is to choose only the one that you can afford. If you cant afford it then don't buy it.

 

[imported_michaelpatrick33]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: harobikes333
Thats only 100 bucks less:\ the 3800 X2 is 300 about

Why is the 4400+ on your list in the first place? If you can't afford it then don't look at it. The way to decide what CPU to buy is to choose only the one that you can afford. If you cant afford it then don't buy it.

4500 posts in a little over a year? Impressive Googer :beer:

I have a 4400+ running at 2640 and love it but personally I would go with the 3800+ unless or 175 especially if you are not overclocking. I would go for the highest frequency over cache with the AMD's because the frequency increase seems to get more value than the cache.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: harobikes333
Thats only 100 bucks less:\ the 3800 X2 is 300 about

Why is the 4400+ on your list in the first place? If you can't afford it then don't look at it. The way to decide what CPU to buy is to choose only the one that you can afford. If you cant afford it then don't buy it.

4500 posts in a little over a year? Impressive Googer :beer:

I just dont get it, why he is asking us in the first place to pick CPU's that he cannot afford?

 

[harobikes333]

I just put it there to compare not to buy sorry about not telling you that.

The 3800 X2 looks good and I'm going to just stick with it even if the opterons did go down in price.

 

[TheRyuu]

First, look here at some benchmarks for cache size difference (I know it's the new Pentium M thing, but it compares cache sizes for ya )

Second, get the 3800+, you will be happy and it will OC well (I can say WILL, but odds are it will OC pretty well, if you even plan on OCing that is).

Third, I've been following this thread for a little while and it seemed to have gotten off topic about frequency vs. cache size, and more into what computer stuff should I get.

But anyway, thats besides the point. If you go with an X2+Epox/msi/Asus/DFI or w/e other motherboard you want, you will be happy with a really (or realitivly) fast computer.

Any other questions?

 

[harobikes333]

I have a different thread in the CPU forum that I made so this one can die

But I may have to make a different one and put it in the general forum so more people can see it

 

[Googer]

I would just recomend you get the 4200+, it operates at 2.2GHz and is equal in single threaded performace to a 3500+. The 3800 @ 2.0 GHz is equal to a 3000+, for $75 differance it should not be a real deal breaker.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: Googer
I would just recomend you get the 4200+, it operates at 2.2GHz and is equal in single threaded performace to a 3500+. The 3800 @ 2.0 GHz is equal to a 3000+, for $75 differance it should not be a real deal breaker.

SO, ever heard of overclocking? I'm sure the stock cooler can do 200mhz. Why pay $75 when you can get it for free.