Opinion changes so fast

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Back in October/November, you would be crucified for disliking Obama in this college town. Now the hype has worn off. My roommate just told his sister via phone that "our dumb president is giving a speech." And the people next door were just going, "Damnit, president Obama!"

I just find it funny how quickly the hype dies.

What exactly did Obama say that was "dumb"?

Well, pretty much the whole stimulus package thing is VERY dumb. For starters.

I'm hearing a lot of "blah blah vague blah blah spending blah blah" which is pretty boring. Tell me specifically what you don't like about the bill.

How about this obnoxious little addition: Stealth Health Care Changes What the hell does that do to immediately stimulate the economy?

Well it create a National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, so 1 job down 3,999,999 more to go!

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
NPR has a fairly regular group of economists that they have on. If you listen a lot, you get to know them and their opinions. All of them that I heard running up to the election supported Obama. Now that the stimulus package has been revealed, I have yet to hear a single one of those economists say it is good. Most of them seem to agree that a stimulus package is needed, but their opinions of the existing package range from "misguided and misdirected" to "flushing taxpayer dollars down the toilet of Democrat pet-projects" and "payback to those that supported Obama during the Presidential race."

I enjoy the NPR: Planet Money podcast quite a bit, too. Need to go download the new one.

(Maybe they have the stimulus package loving economists on during the hours I am not listening, but seriously, if NPR can't find an economist that likes the package, you know it sucks ass.)

:thumbsup:

I really enjoy Marketplace - maybe our congresspeople need to listen to NPR more often. One economist on Marketplace (Friday?) made an astute comment that was actually pretty basic - with a package that is approaching a trillion dollars (~10% of our GDP) isn't it worthwhile to at least sit down and go over a few of the academic theories and possibilities on how this will pan out? The Dems are in such a rush to pass such a freaking huge package it is appalling that they practically refuse to do some brain exercises to evaluate it.

Also, looks like the stock market does not like the plan: LINK

 

[BurnItDwn]

Originally posted by: kranky
He's been president for over two weeks and I didn't get no money yet!

He promised me some change yo!
I was expecting a buncha quarters, or at least some dimes, but I didn't even get any nickels, or even a penny!

 

[BudAshes]

Lol at all you fools bitching because you were trying to watch Chuck. The show is fucking retarded just like all of you pathetic tools.

 

[KK]

Well atleast now I don't got to worry about gas or paying my mortgage.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Cheeseplug
They are just pissed off because House wasn't on. I wonder how house would solve the economy...

I know I was.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: Tobolo
I know I'm younger, but I don't recall any specific instance where a President has pitched a hissy fit over congress not passing a bill fast enough.

Well, except for the current stimulus package.

You don't remember last September's bailout? Jesus, you kids all have ADD.

As for Obama, I feel bad for the guy. He's going to take a lot of shit for not fixing Dubya's "legacy" overnight. He was screwed either way....he could either let the market equalize naturally and take heat for not doing anything or he could stimulate (ew) and get yelled at for further deficit spending.

Which group shall we let throw rocks first?

 

[dainthomas]

Two months ago it was kewl to love Obama. Now it's kewl to hate him (apparently). My left shoe has a more informed opinion than most college students, so I tend to disregard whatever groupthink-of-the-day they're spouting.

Unlike most of the rabid partisans on here, I don't have to either love or hate everything he does.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
At least he can say the word nuclear correctly.

sure, but apparently he doesn't like it because his energy head is adamently opposed to nuclear power.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: Tobolo
I know I'm younger, but I don't recall any specific instance where a President has pitched a hissy fit over congress not passing a bill fast enough.

Well, except for the current stimulus package.

You don't remember last September's bailout? Jesus, you kids all have ADD.

As for Obama, I feel bad for the guy. He's going to take a lot of shit for not fixing Dubya's "legacy" overnight. He was screwed either way....he could either let the market equalize naturally and take heat for not doing anything or he could stimulate (ew) and get yelled at for further deficit spending.

Which group shall we let throw rocks first?

There are several administrations to blame for this foul-up, which makes it that much worse for Obama as he is now the scapegoat.

He's fucked no matter what happens. As many of the economists look at the current plan as unsound, they were indeed favorable towards his ideas pre-inauguration. To be fair, the same economists admit that no one has ever listened to them anyway and that economic policy has only ever been set for political reasons.

They also admit that while doing "something" is probably not the best long-term strategy, no president can survive doing "nothing." Whatever Obama has going for him or against him, he absolutely does have a mandate from the people to try something radically, and maybe even unsound by our current understanding. We voted for him and his ideas RESOUNDINGLY, as well as a a Dem Congress.

Not that this is a new phenomenon, but it does lay some capital, I would think, to weather the storm a bit. No one, and certainly not Obama, ever said this was going to be easy and painless.

I guess the statute of limitations of "When this is no longer the fault of Bush, et al" runs out when does the pure "sour grapes complaints" coming from those that were humiliated by public disfavor towards their unsound and broken policies.

 

[ballmode]

Pee and NNNN

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: kranky
He's been president for over two weeks and I didn't get no money yet!

It's my money and I want it NOW!!!

Maybe JG Wentworth should have ran for president.

 

[Hacp]

Obama's a rookie. Let Hillary take over please.

 

[ja1484]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: ja1484

Originally posted by: Tobolo
I know I'm younger, but I don't recall any specific instance where a President has pitched a hissy fit over congress not passing a bill fast enough.

Well, except for the current stimulus package.

You don't remember last September's bailout? Jesus, you kids all have ADD.

As for Obama, I feel bad for the guy. He's going to take a lot of shit for not fixing Dubya's "legacy" overnight. He was screwed either way....he could either let the market equalize naturally and take heat for not doing anything or he could stimulate (ew) and get yelled at for further deficit spending.

Which group shall we let throw rocks first?

There are several administrations to blame for this foul-up, which makes it that much worse for Obama as he is now the scapegoat.

He's fucked no matter what happens. As many of the economists look at the current plan as unsound, they were indeed favorable towards his ideas pre-inauguration. To be fair, the same economists admit that no one has ever listened to them anyway and that economic policy has only ever been set for political reasons.

They also admit that while doing "something" is probably not the best long-term strategy, no president can survive doing "nothing." Whatever Obama has going for him or against him, he absolutely does have a mandate from the people to try something radically, and maybe even unsound by our current understanding. We voted for him and his ideas RESOUNDINGLY, as well as a a Dem Congress.

Not that this is a new phenomenon, but it does lay some capital, I would think, to weather the storm a bit. No one, and certainly not Obama, ever said this was going to be easy and painless.

I guess the statute of limitations of "When this is no longer the fault of Bush, et al" runs out when does the pure "sour grapes complaints" coming from those that were humiliated by public disfavor towards their unsound and broken policies.

Agreed. Blame the general construct of our political system, not the one man.

 

[91TTZ]

What did you expect to happen when your most enthusiastic supporters were idiotic college kids with a short attention span? They merely jump on fads and are incapable of original thought. Even the "free thinkers" are a brainless clique that all think the same.

To sum it up, they're morons.

I didn't vote for Obama but I've been impressed by the way he's handled things. I had realistic expectations and didn't expect a president to turn things around right away since that's not possible.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
NPR has a fairly regular group of economists that they have on. If you listen a lot, you get to know them and their opinions. All of them that I heard running up to the election supported Obama. Now that the stimulus package has been revealed, I have yet to hear a single one of those economists say it is good. Most of them seem to agree that a stimulus package is needed, but their opinions of the existing package range from "misguided and misdirected" to "flushing taxpayer dollars down the toilet of Democrat pet-projects" and "payback to those that supported Obama during the Presidential race."

I enjoy the NPR: Planet Money podcast quite a bit, too. Need to go download the new one.

(Maybe they have the stimulus package loving economists on during the hours I am not listening, but seriously, if NPR can't find an economist that likes the package, you know it sucks ass.)

:thumbsup:

I really enjoy Marketplace - maybe our congresspeople need to listen to NPR more often. One economist on Marketplace (Friday?) made an astute comment that was actually pretty basic - with a package that is approaching a trillion dollars (~10% of our GDP) isn't it worthwhile to at least sit down and go over a few of the academic theories and possibilities on how this will pan out? The Dems are in such a rush to pass such a freaking huge package it is appalling that they practically refuse to do some brain exercises to evaluate it.

Also, looks like the stock market does not like the plan: LINK

I am also enjoying the BBC World Business News podcasts. So much better and more informative than the garbage that the U.S. networks pass off as news. Downloading some of their other podcasts to check out at work tonight.

Back to what I was mentioning earlier, since the whole crisis started, there has been a lot of talk about Keynesian economics and the pros and cons of it. On NPR's Planet Money, there is one semi-regular guest economist that is a proponent of the Keynesian economic strategy. He has been on several times since the crisis started, and on his most recent appearance he was actually decrying the Obama stimulus package and saying that what the country needed was tax cuts. It was kind of mind boggling to hear him say such a thing.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Back in October/November, you would be crucified for disliking Obama in this college town. Now the hype has worn off. My roommate just told his sister via phone that "our dumb president is giving a speech." And the people next door were just going, "Damnit, president Obama!"

I just find it funny how quickly the hype dies.

What exactly did Obama say that was "dumb"?

Well, pretty much the whole stimulus package thing is VERY dumb. For starters.

I'm hearing a lot of "blah blah vague blah blah spending blah blah" which is pretty boring. Tell me specifically what you don't like about the bill.

Unable.

 

[imported_DocHolliday]

I didn't vote for Obama but he is pretty amazing. In less than three weeks in office he has collected more than $150,000 in back taxes. :thumbsup:

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Lets see.....


College...check

Brainwashed liberal students...check


Student calling the Dem president dumb.....

confirming that collee students are dumber and more brainwashed than regular americans

Not all of us college students voted for this guy. I saw threw him every second. Look at his voting record. Now the guy is pres, and, wait, what's changed?

Still passing stimulus packages based on faulty Keynesian logic? Come one. Where's the change in that?

someone's taking macroecon 101 :laugh: