Opinion on Piracy

[BooneRebel]

To be more logical:

If at the time of purchasing your car you agree to a license contract which states that you agree not to shoot your car with a clone gun, then, yes, it would be wrong to then shoot your car with a clone gun.

(Boy, there's something I never expected to say!)

 

[AUMM]

How do you guys feel about piracy of Dreamcast games? lot of people argue that since its almost impossible to actually buy an original game it should be ok to download it and burn a copy.

 

[crypticlogin]

<< How do you guys feel about piracy of Dreamcast games? lot of people argue that since its almost impossible to actually buy an original game it should be ok to download it and burn a copy. >>



There hasn't been a game that I've been looking for that I can't find, mainly on eBay or at the used game stores or somewhere else in my searches. The games are all out there, but the stores and sellers know that what they have is in demand and will want to keep prices high. If you're not willing to pay those prices, then you probably don't want the game bad enough.

 

[gopunk]

What exactly won't essentials do that you need?

nothing, i never said there was something it wouldn't do.

Then Use notepad

which is what i would do...

You would never pay for it because you have never had to BUT if piracy wan't an option you would have to pay for something (or use paint)

if piracy wasn't an option, i would use it at school, or use paint. that is correct.

Ask yourself this question, What if AFTER you worked for two weeks your boss said "You know you didn't do as much work as we expected, so we are only going to pay you 3 dollars an hour instead of 12. If we had to pay you twelve we wouldn't pay you at all."

i work because there is an agreement that i get paid per hour. software companies do not develop software because i told them i will pay for it.

I am constantly amazed at the way people will spend a grand on hardware and then pirate a 100 dollar OS.

you can't pirate hardware, can you?

Tell me what critical features are left out of essentials. It was designed for the home user! What the heck are you guys doing in your home?

show me where i said something was left out of essentials.

edit: okay i can see where you got that idea... sorry if i didn't make it clear. what i meant to say was that i would never pay for a graphics program because i don't use them often enough to warrant 30 bucks or whatever. the stuff about things being left out applied to the other software i spoke of.

 

<< If at the time of purchasing your car you agree to a license contract which states that you agree not to shoot your car with a clone gun, then, yes, it would be wrong to then shoot your car with a clone gun. >>


It's your possession though. Once paid in full they have no word.

Now, if you cloned thoes cars and SOLD them, it would be a different story.



<< I am constantly amazed at the way people will spend a grand on hardware and then pirate a 100 dollar OS. >>


That's because the hardware is worth the money. The OS is not.

 

[RedFox1]

It's your possession though. Once paid in full they have no word.

The clone gun idea was funny -- and the idea that there are actually a couple of responses to it is hilarious.

Anyhow if you're saying that software companies don't have any control over the software after you 'buy' it -- they do. I can't think of any software, of the top of my head, that's actually "sold" to retail customers. It's generally a license. You buy their permission to use it in the ways they allow in the license.

Piracy is illegal, and bad for everyone. The publishers don't owe you anything -- if you want their software bad enough, you need to pay for it.

-Russ

 

[RedFox1]

That's because the hardware is worth the money. The OS is not.

So why do you run it? Why not run a 'free' OS?

-Russ

 

[tm37]

<< << The companies that make Open Source software CHOOSE to give it away as opposed to someone just taking it because they feel the price is to high. >>


That does not relate to how they can make equal, if not superior software, with no profit. >>



Yes but it also does not relate to piracy or this thread. What to debate the pros and cons of open source start a new thread, Basically what you are saying is it is OK to pirate software because there is an equal or BETTER free alternative. I guess my next question is why?

Go Punk-

But YOU DO USE IT!
Whatever justification you may have conjured up is really irrelivant.

You have a pretty cool site What if I took the layout and used it for my site (using your code). I mean I would never pay you to use it so if I just take it it's ok right?

 

[RedFox1]

You have a pretty cool site What if I took the layout and used it for my site (using your code). I mean I would never pay you to use it so if I just take it it's ok right?

You'd only have to pay him if you thought it was worth the price he wanted (otherwise it'd be fine to just steal it. )

Pirates generally think that they're the center of the universe, and everyone owes them something. They ignore laws ('cause they shouldn't have to obey laws they don't like) and then kick and scream about their rights when bestbuy.com cancels their order for a (obviously mispriced) $0.99 21" monitor.

-Russ

 

[xyyz]

<< Why is it people feel it is there right to learn A software Package? >>



Software houses know that hardly anyone who knows their OS bought a legit copy. Pirating does them good indirectly. People who rip the software learn on a particular package and when they become employed, the tend to influence their companies to purchase that product.

It's like this... I love FreeBSD, therefore when a client needs a server, I am more inclined to setup a FreeBSD system than a Win2k Server system.

Noone, can really afford a 3k "student priced" 3D Studio Max package... yet classes are offered for this application. The school doesn't sell many copies, and students don't use the system's at school... so where do they finish their assignments? They finish them at home using a bootleg copy. And when this class is concluded and you ahve 25 people who are strong with 3D Studio Max, it serves Kinetix or whatever very well because these 25 people will be employed with companies who will have to purchase a new 5g license for each person.



<< Is it your right to learn photoshop or 3D Studio? Don't colleges offer Classes and cut rate pricing to students who want to learn these technologies? Did I miss a meeting somewhere? >>



Of course it's your right. This is why the courses are offered, and you will notice that these courses DO NOT have a $500 materials fee.



<< just because you want to learn something and the only way you can afford it is to steal you shouldn't have the right to learn it. UNLESS the company offers it free for you to learn. >>



This is the most silly thing I've heard to date. The pursuit of education should never be restricted. Hell you can even to to a univesity and sit in on a class w/o them saying anything.



<< I want to take a class at the local college. I can't afford tution should I be allowed to go sit in if they have an empty seat? Of course not. They would tell me to beat it until I pay the bill. Have you checked the prices on the 1 and 2 day workshops to learn how to use different software packages? these can run into the thousands of dollars. Shouldn't I get to attend these free? I meen I would go If I had to pay. >>



If this was the system in place... Adobe and friends would have gone out of business long ago.

I want to know how I get this entitlement to a higher education. I think I missed the boat on this one.[/i] >>

 

[tm37]

xyyz-

You have a very interesting though process even if you are wrong.

IF you were correct, which you aren't, wouldn't all these software companies be giving away there product and training to any foll who asked with the hope that they may buy later. Of course not. It doesn't work that way. Especially since the standards have already been estabilished for the most part. PHOTOSHOP is the picture editing tool of choice, and will be until someone else come along with a better product. Companies will seek people that have skills with the software they are using and the smart one will train talented people with the newer technologies.

People are NOT entiled to an eduacation. that right NOT ENTITLED. While college is almost a prerequiset for sucess it is not the only way. Some things should not always be easily attained. I have ZERO college education because I choose not to attend, and while there have been times this has hindered my career, I don;t regret that choice at all. I would like to start getting some training in other areas BUT I will not do it threw theif and decite, something are worth much more than a dollar.

However using your logic I should be able to attend classes without paying because it is my right, If that were so you see many institutions close there doors and many professors quit due to no pay. (no money means no money out). The fact you place such a low price on the work of others makes me wonder what you plan on doing in your life. I for one place a high price on my time an energy, and respect others in their pursit of the almighty dollar. If you want me to pay for something I weigh the cost against the benifit, If I can't justify the cost or see the value I don't buy it. I also don't steal because I think that it cost to much or REALLY WANT IT. It doesn't make it right and and warped sense of entitlement you have does not change that.

 

[CStroman]

IMO, if the software is no longer in production, it's OK.