Opinion Piece on Social Policies

[Grooveriding]

Do I get my honorary tinfoil hat now?

Have an ABT ten gallon on me

 

[Lonbjerg]

And we've gone straight off the cliff called conspiracy theories.

You see, those posters discussing here are all very suspicious, because they must have come to defend their employer - AMD. Those who haven't commented here are even more suspicious because they clearly lay low to avod getting found out! And the most suspicious suspect of them all is none other than Keys! No one would suspect a guy with a Nvidia focus group sig to work for AMD, right? Well that's just what he wants you to think! ...Wait, I've posted in this thread before... stay away from me, I might be working for AMD without knowing it!

Do I get my honorary tinfoil hat now?

See this is what I mean...you actions gives (in a twisted way) validity to his claims.

I never said it was so...I asked if people had considered this option.

Try reading my posts again...I hope the shoe drops then...because this is getting funny now

 

[Ferzerp]

See this is what I mean...you actions gives (in a twisted way) validity to his claims.

I never said it was so...I asked if people had considered this option.

Try reading my posts again...I hope the shoe drops then...because this is getting funny now

Err, the "I'm just asking questions" argument is always pretty flimsy.

 

[blckgrffn]

Have an ABT ten gallon on me

*snip*

lol, nice. I hadn't really been able to make out your avatar before, now it makes sense

 

[Lonbjerg]

Err, the "I'm just asking questions" argument is always pretty flimsy.

Really...you decided that universal rule?

So even ASKING questions about this debacle...and pondering how readers will percieve posts...means I must be stopped and made suspecious...gotcha.

Now you can start passing tinfoil hats around...because you are the one making conspiracies now

 

[BallaTheFeared]

:whiste:

 

[Arzachel]

Posting openly as a director level employee in marketing for a company, you're always representing that company. You can't pick and choose based on when you are right and wrong when you are representing them. *Especially* when you are making claims about the performance of that company's product.


edit: You've read the bit about him talking about having to counter the leaks to customers right? When he made those same claims to customers, was he also just making statements as himself as an individual and not representing AMD?

He was never representing the company, he was posting on his own will when off work. Although I agree that people will expect you to always be representing your employer even when your signature explicitly says otherwise.

I'm not really familiar or just don't understand what you mean with that edit though, so I might not be seeing the complete picture.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

His posts weren't his own because he used his position to influence his posts merit.

When he said IPC went up he wasn't saying that as an opinion, he was stating it as a fact, a fact he obtained as an employee of AMD.

 

[Lonbjerg]

He was never representing the company, he was posting on his own will when off work. Although I agree that people will expect you to always be representing your employer even when your signature explicitly says otherwise.

I'm not really familiar or just don't understand what you mean with that edit though, so I might not be seeing the complete picture.

That is false.
JFAMD not only had the AMD moniker in his name...he posted with "certantity" that the elaks were false.
Only way he could have know was if he had data...from his employer...unless you think (as I do) that he was a PR mouthpiece spreading misinformation.

He didn't post as a privat person...he posted as an AMD employee...if you still doubt it, look up his posts...and see how AMD fans read them...it's not rocket science.

 

[Lonyo]

Really...you decided that universal rule?

So even ASKING questions about this debacle...and pondering how readers will percieve posts...means I must be stopped and made suspecious...gotcha.

Now you can start passing tinfoil hats around...because you are the one making conspiracies now

It's not asking questions which is the issue, it's the way they are asked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dances_with_Smurfs
Full episode if it's licensed in your country:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s13e13-dances-with-smurfs

Hey, it's just asking questions!

 

[mak360]

As someone stated (groove I think), when AMD is criticized by nVidia/Intel, its good ole criticism but when you reverse the roles, we have shills and AMD employees undercover.

When somebody criticizes, drags the company through mud constantly or accuses a company of supporting shills (especially when you don’t criticize Intel & nVidia), he better have damn good evidence to support his claims - otherwise you are guaranteed to be black listed by AMD, Intel or nVidia no matter who you are if the accused company has an iota of integrity. I think he burned his own bridges and has himself to blame.

 

[Arzachel]

Really...you decided that universal rule?

So even ASKING questions about this debacle...and pondering how readers will percieve posts...means I must be stopped and made suspecious...gotcha.

Now you can start passing tinfoil hats around...because you are the one making conspiracies now

You should read on JAQ-ing, because that's just what you're doing. I was joking about the whole conspiracy theory thing, stop making me be right :/

 

[Lonbjerg]

As someone stated (groove I think), when AMD is criticized by nVidia/Intel, its good ole criticism but when you reverse the roles, we have shills and AMD employees undercover.

No?
What NVIDIA did with AEG was bad.
Stop making false claims about everyone...and me, thank you.

Dang, this thread is full of tinfoilhats on both sides...and in a sad way that will both make Appopins case stronger...and those oppposing his case stronger too...making everything even more polarized.

AMD could stop this debate right now....if they wanted too.
Unless you think AMD's PR is none working?

 

[maddie]

He was never representing the company, he was posting on his own will when off work. Although I agree that people will expect you to always be representing your employer even when your signature explicitly says otherwise.

I'm not really familiar or just don't understand what you mean with that edit though, so I might not be seeing the complete picture.

His posts weren't his own because he used his position to influence his posts merit.

When he said IPC went up he wasn't saying that as an opinion, he was stating it as a fact, a fact he obtained as an employee of AMD.

That is false.
JFAMD not only had the AMD moniker in his name...he posted with "certantity" that the elaks were false.
Only way he could have know was if he had data...from his employer...unless you think (as I do) that he was a PR mouthpiece spreading misinformation.

He didn't post as a privat person...he posted as an AMD employee...if you still doubt it, look up his posts...and see how AMD fans read them...it's not rocket science.

Does someone know for certain, if JFAMD really was an AMD employee?
What if we were all made fools?

 

[Lonbjerg]

You should read on JAQ-ing, because that's just what you're doing. I was joking about the whole conspiracy theory thing, stop making me be right :/

In my mind your post is a red herring...this thread is not about me...I made an observation.
I doubt I am the only one having thought that thought.

But keep going...I got my point confirmed.


This thread only muddies the waters...

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Does someone know for certain, if JFAMD really was an AMD employee?
What if we were all made fools?

JFAMD is on the left.

You can read his blogs here: http://blogs.amd.com/work/author/jfruehe/

John Fruehe is the Director of Product Marketing for Server, Embedded and FireStream products at AMD. His postings are his own opinions and may not represent AMD’s positions, strategies or opinions. Links to third party sites, and references to third party trademarks, are provided for convenience and illustrative purposes only. Unless explicitly stated, AMD is not responsible for the contents of such links, and no third party endorsement of AMD or any of its products is implied.

 

[Lonyo]

In my mind your post is a red herring...this thread is not about me...I made an observation.
I doubt I am the only one having thought that thought.

But keep going...I got my point confirmed.


This thread only muddies the waters...

It applies to the original topic as well.
Apoppin's original premise was just asking questions.
He asked them. Got no real answers. Then made a summary of his lack of answers, and just asked some more questions as his final comments.

 

[maddie]

JFAMD is on the left.

You can read his blogs here: http://blogs.amd.com/work/author/jfruehe/

I'm not denying the man exists.

I suppose you're implying here that if someone else registered with that sig and began posting, he (real JFAMD), would have been informed and corrected us here to the actions of an imposter?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I assume since he got a badge at OCN he had to produce some credentials to obtain it.

Assumption none the less.

 

[Arzachel]

Does someone know for certain, if JFAMD really was an AMD employee?
What if we were all made fools?

Yes, he is. John Fruehe, look him up.

His posts weren't his own because he used his position to influence his posts merit.

When he said IPC went up he wasn't saying that as an opinion, he was stating it as a fact, a fact he obtained as an employee of AMD.

And that could've been true from what AMD saw in simulations and tests, which isn't the issue here. I don't believe he pruposedly misled people, because a person that high up isn't getting paid for astroturfing. I think he sincerely believed what he said, because I don't see what he had to gain by lying. That is why I think that the backlash against him was unnecessery.

Feel free to disagree with me though.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Too much happened for me to believe he didn't know.

In fact he got hammered so hard by many of us he ended up giving credence to the leaks and stating that they didn't have the updated micro code, driver, magic bios, anything and everything else to continue his fallacy to the bitter end.

It seems like you went to moon and back to stretch out a scenario where AMD was feeding their Director of Marketing bull%%%%.


I think most of us had more of an issue with him being an arrogant pr($#, the months of lies and berating posters for finding holes in his words just iced the cake.

 

[blackened23]

If you are a hardware editor who suspects such activity in stealth:

1) provide proof
2) forward such proof to AMD to deal with such employees that are "hiding"
3) go back to acting professional and not a conspiracy theorist

As far as this JF-AMD guy....pretty ridiculous for him to insult and accuse other people, but anyway, are we talking about supposed stealth employees or non stealth employees? Sorry, i'm lost. Either way I think its ridiculous and insulting to the user base here to insinuate that they're suceptible to marketing BS from JF-AMD or anyone else. People here are generally not sheep.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Personally I can't see a man who gets free hardware to review, such as Ivy Bridge from Intel, and a GTX 680 from Nvidia for FREE thinking the "world" is out to get him.

Too extreme, tone it back a bit. ^_^

 

[Phynaz]

Wow, Apoppin sure is infatuated with this forum.

 

[sandorski]

There's a huge difference between JFAMD and Rollo

1) JFAMD- Made positive claims about an upcoming Product from his company

2)Rollo- Made negative claims about an available Product from his Competitor(Wasn't a direct employee of NVidia, but was working for them nonetheless)

JFAMD's claims were quickly and unequivocally shown to be incorrect upon release of BD. Making them rather benign and even pointless to really lie about in the first place. There was no good outcome to doing this, from a Marketing perspective. Sounds like internal covering of ass by some were likely going on within AMD, but who knows, perhaps AMD Marketing really was that clueless.

Rollo's claims were only seriously questioned when he made claims of serious issues with various ATI products over many generations of cards and they always had the same problems(his biggest mistake). His "experience" was constantly used as a recommendation by himself and others for those asking about Vidcards as "evidence" to stay away from ATI based cards.

There's a world of difference between the 2 and anyone trying to equate them is being disingenuous at best.