Opinion: You think ATI is...

[Pelu]

What you people think about ATI... are they getting crappy since the last two years... or they are just up for something?

 

[taltamir]

it is called fusion. AMD and ATI are working tireless on fusing the CPU and GPU onto a single multi core chip. giving you multiple CPU and GPU cores that fit right into the mobo and share a single bus and have direct CPU to GPU link (not wasting time sending info back and forth through the north and southbridge of the mobo).

Comming to a PC near you in 2009 or 2010

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: taltamir
it is called fusion. AMD and ATI are working tireless on fusing the CPU and GPU onto a single multi core chip. giving you multiple CPU and GPU cores that fit right into the mobo and share a single bus and have direct CPU to GPU link (not wasting time sending info back and forth through the north and southbridge of the mobo).

Comming to a PC near you in 2009 or 2010

The only disconcerting thing about fusion to me is that you're going to lose the high speed memory. System memory is getting up there, but when you add in the latencies involved, I don't think Fusion will be competitive with high end discrete video.

 

[Denithor]

So similar to the XBOX/PS3 style of CPU/GPU?

Is this expected to take the form of one combined processor you buy and install or still separate CPU and GPU that are installed individually? Separate would be better obviously so you could select which model of each you wanted.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: taltamir
it is called fusion. AMD and ATI are working tireless on fusing the CPU and GPU onto a single multi core chip. giving you multiple CPU and GPU cores that fit right into the mobo and share a single bus and have direct CPU to GPU link (not wasting time sending info back and forth through the north and southbridge of the mobo).

Comming to a PC near you in 2009 or 2010

However, they have yet to get the GPU up to speed for the fusion to take place, hence the reason the Henron particle collider might be put into good use for them ... Sorry, couldn't resist.

For AMD's sake I hope that Fusion is everything they tote it to be, but I have my doubts. A crappy GPU with uber bandwidth is still a crappy GPU.

Though, this could be an excellent market for a HTPC as you would be able to get a fairly cheap motherboard and focus purely on cooling your CPU+GPU.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Denithor
So similar to the XBOX/PS3 style of CPU/GPU?

Is this expected to take the form of one combined processor you buy and install or still separate CPU and GPU that are installed individually? Separate would be better obviously so you could select which model of each you wanted.

They werent entirely clear on this. The few presenations I have read show what looked like a 4 socket something where you can mix and match. Now it could be that 4 socket representation is simply a die where you buy based on a model. Or it could be a MB with 4 sockets. Or possibly a single socket with the capability to take 4 cores.

 

[ajaidevsingh]

The only problem with fusion is that you cant change the GPU without changeing the CPU...


BTW AMD aka Ati is best in terms of performance and price..!!

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: ajaidevsingh
The only problem with fusion is that you cant change the GPU without changeing the CPU...

My sentiments exactly. Unless they can keep the high performance models at decently cheap prices, I would prefer to keep them separate.

 

[Lithan]

Let's just make one giant cpu that integrates the whole computer, keyboard, monitor and all.

Seriously though, AMD is retarded IF they're considering this as a performance option in the near future. More likely they want a value option to sell mainly in asia.

 

[error8]

Originally posted by: Lithan
Let's just make one giant cpu that integrates the whole computer, keyboard, monitor and all.

Seriously though, AMD is retarded IF they're considering this as a performance option in the near future. More likely they want a value option to sell mainly in asia.

Maybe this fusion thing is the future, but AMD must put it on a side first and make some really good cpus that can compete and beat intel. After they'll win a lot of money, they can spend it for the project. But until then, they must spend everything they've "still" got for increasing the Phenoms frequency or just make another core.

Fusion must be the last thing on their mind right now.

 

[Sureshot324]

Fusion is only going to be for the value segment. Combining the CPU and GPU means you can eliminate the northbridge entirely on a low cost IGP machine.

It's not practical for the high end. Image a quad core Phenom and a Radeon 3870X2 all on one CPU die. It's just not going to happen.

 

[Dadofamunky]

...the primary bright spot for AMD right now. After all, they have the edge on NVidia in the process department; the R770/48xx looks to be a potentially huge winner; and their OEM business in phones and low-end laptops is still huge. I'm going to be watching them very carefully over the next couple months. They can't pull AMD out of their nosedive, but at least they show signs of a heartbeat and the will to compete...

 

[Sylvanas]

*smacks forehead* not another one of these threads....

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: Dadofamunky
After all, they have the edge on NVidia in the process department; the R770/48xx looks to be a potentially huge winner;

I'm not sure if this can be considered an advantage. If your chips at a more advanced process are still generally slower and roughly just as hot, when your competitor goes to the same process you'll be even further behind.

In any case, since both ATI and Nvidia contract out to 3rd parties to build their chips, it's not really an ATI process advantage anyway. It might be a design advantage to be able to migrate your designs to a smaller process, but it's not a process advantage since it's third party fabs.

 

[Munky]

Ati may not have the fatest high end gpu, but that doesn't mean all their products are slower. Case in point - the IGP on the 780G chipset vs. the one on Nforce 780 - the Ati gpu smacks around Nvidia's gpu, and has better scaling with hybrid Crossfire vs. hybrid SLI.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...howdoc.aspx?i=3305&p=5

 

[Lithan]

Did threads get merged or something? I coulda swore that post I made up there was in a thread about fusion specifically.


Anywho. ATI cards suck at the high end. I mean they aren't exactly BAD: but they certainly aren't putting pressure on Nvidia to drop prices due to performance. That's why Nvidia's Midrange card prices are dropping like a brick and the GTX's are holding steady... because ATI has nothing to pricedrop @ high end. Their dual core gpu has problems that lets Nvidia's single cores win some benchmarks even (that's bad), and Nvidia's dual core crushes it. But this happens sometimes.

Nvidia's 5XXX generation was horrible when it came out. Hell the 4XXX's were faster, and ATI's stuff at the time destroyed it. ATI just misjudged the performance they'd get out of this architecture, and now they've got to bite the bullet and probably lose money selling off 3870's that cost more to produce than equivelent 9600's until their next gen is ready.

 

[waffleironhead]

ATI is also working hard on selling their chips as GPGPU's see all of their support for folding@home. Getting CAL working properly to combine the cpu and gpu is a nice niche for them to sell some more chips imo.

 

[hooflung]

AMD is working on getting cash fusions before they can implement the actual fusions. Their plant in Dresden iirc is being sold to TSMC and then they, like Nvidia, will be customers. AMD will move their Athlon and Opteron cpu production probably solely to Texas and Taiwan plants. They will contract IBM to also help produce more chips for them, probably in New York/New Jersey and they will center their main cash flow around integrated chips and mass market consumer electronics.

Then they will start massive price cuts to drop the prices of their products which in turn limits the commercial success of their competitors. Remember, if AMD/Nvidia/Intel sell a product for 250 dollars and slash prices to 150 dollars the next month its easy to see they built acceptable return + a buffer to cover future price slashes. If AMD can push Nvidia to keep prices low on new to market goods then Nvidia cannot recoop that buffer.

This is business. AMD is positioning themselves to be the dominant entity. They will force Intel's IGP's in the future with Fusion. You will always be able to upgrade your graphics, even with Fusion, but when you can sell a IGP that requires nothing more than CPU SKU's to improve performance that puts Intel in a bad position.

Think what you want about AMD they are shrewed mf'ers.

 

[batmang]

The 4000 series is right around the corner. NVidia wasn't always on the ball either. ATi is a great company, they will always make good products and so will NVidia. Nowadays its just a matter of preference. As for AMD CPU's.... all I have to say is wait. They will release a CPU that will keep up with whatever Intel has. Its just a matter of time.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Pelu
What you people think about ATI... are they getting crappy since the last two years... or they are just up for something?

I've actually liked ATI/AMD's new low power, high performance approach to graphics. They don't take the crown, but they can kick any game to the curb provided you aren't playing at 1080 or higher resolutions (and minus crysis).

The HD2xxx series wasn't what AMD/ATI hoped...and its been a while since we've seen a truly new GPU come from them. I think their new series will help shake off the performance funk they've been having the past two years.

 

[Pelu]

ATI have 3870... and nVidia 9600...

when

3870 = 9600

and

nVidia have 9800

this means that ATI is with out a high end card right now????

I ask because... i have 2 CF 3870 and they arent that great at all... wondering how the 4xxx series is going to be... or should i go Intel + nVidia

 

[Lithan]

ATI's high end card is a dual gpu card.

 

[Pelu]

ATI 3870x2 = nvidia 9800

what about

nvidia 9800x2 = ati ???

I am getting kinda worried that AMD and ATI falls into the crap... because I always have been into the AMD side... never had a Intel processor... and only a few nvidias like the 6800gt and the 8800gtx.... besides that... it have been a bunch of radeons...

Let me ask something... if right now.. right here.. I want to build a kick ass computer with intel and nvidia... what stuff should i pick up????

 

[Lithan]

Uhh, E8400, (Insert good sli mobo) and 2x 9800gx2?

 

[Pelu]

1333 memory?