Opinions on seatbelt/helmet laws?

[zixxer]

I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

 

[Alprazolam]

Seatbelt Law= Complete BS. End of Story.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: Alprazolam
Seatbelt Law= Complete BS. End of Story.

Your Post = Complete BS. End of Story.

 

[iamwiz82]

If I didn't end up having higher rates I wouldn't care.

 

[Alprazolam]

How so? What reason is there to ticket someone for making a choice not to wear their seatbelt? And then be able to search their vehicle? Please Inform me.

 

[AbAbber2k]

They don't serve much purpose, except to give morons one more safety cusion between their face and the pavement. IMHO, they probably don't deserve it.

"OH NOEZ! I better wear my seatbelt... I might get a ticket if I don't!"

 

[mercanucaribe]

http://healthresearch.georgetown.edu/Erica/helmetlaws.htm

Stupidity isn't punishable by death. If you're too dumb to wear a helmet by choice, you need the government to protect you, not just for your sake, but the sake of your family, friends, employer, other insurance customers, etc.
Insurance companies can't refuse payout to riders not wearing helmets because that insurance is required by the state if you don't wear a helmet.
Plus helmet laws save money.

Many additional studies address the increased cost to taxpayers resulting from the increase in injury rates when helmet laws were repealed (14-17). NHTSA estimates that motorcycle helmet use saved $13.2 billion between 1984 and 1999 (1). The United States General Accounting Office estimates that a surviving patient with a critical head injury incurs an average of $171,000 in medical and rehabilitation costs in the first year following the injury (18). Most insurance plans do not cover the complete costs of hospitalization or long-term rehabilitation for motorcycle crash victims, and approximately 22% of the costs of inpatient care alone are paid with public funds (19).

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

how about your passenger that is killed when you become a projectile during a crash?

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

You know to wear your seatbelt whether you're driving or not. The laws themselves may protect you by giving you a reason for wearing seatbelts other than your own safety, but that actually supports the OP's argument.

 

[vi edit]

Meh. Driving is a privilege, not a right. You have to abide other rules while driving, this one is probably the most benign of any of them. You have to register yourself before you can operate a vehicle. You have to provide proof of insurance before you can own a vehicle. Once you own a vehicle you have to register it with the state. Once you are able to drive, and own a car, then you have to abide by the rules of your state.

Seatbelt laws are just one of those rules. Deal with it.

They save lives. They aren't bothering you. Stop your bitching. Driving a car isn't a freedom. You can always walk or ride a bike.

 

[Journer]

overall: it is the gov.'s job to help protect citizens...

seatbelts: why the ****** NOT wear it...if you have it properly set, it isnt uncomfortable...it is not going to hurt you more than it will help...it helps other people...just wear the damn thing...ive been in more than one wreck that a seatbelt saved my life...i lived and got some bruises on the seatbelt line, boohoo...also, you wont fly into another passenger/vehicle...god ppl who dont do this are retarted and deserve what they get...

helmets: having recently been involved in a major cycle accident...i can say that helmet law is definitly a need...i think that forcing a 'real' helmet would be in place. When i got in my wreck, my helmet was fvking toast...but it did its job. If i wouldnt have had a helmet, i would have easily been dead/paralyzed...also, if i wouldnt have had a full face helmet on...it probably would have come off or the side of my face would be gone...there are people around here who wear plastic yamikahs (i cant spell jewish terms...) and stupid helmets like that....modern helmets dont obscure vision or impear hearing...again..people who dont wear helmets deserve what they get...

i understand that the right to choose is a big factor...but again it is the gov's job to protect citizens...you can get a gun without a permit, drive w/o a license, and do other things without proving you can do it without hurting someone else...

 

[JS80]

you care bc without these things, more deaths = more cost to the government = most cost to you + increase in insurance rates.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

I agree, as long as it doesn't increase the cost to others. This would mean, people not wearing seatbelts or riding in cars with others not wearing seatbelts should AUTOMATICALLY forfeit any legal recourse in case of an accident. That means, they shouldn't be able to sue anyone, can't collect any unemployment wages, AND should still owe the govt as much in taxes as they paid pre-accident.

 

[fustercluck]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Meh. Driving is a privilege, not a right. You have to abide other rules while driving, this one is probably the most benign of any of them. You have to register yourself before you can operate a vehicle. You have to provide proof of insurance before you can own a vehicle. Once you own a vehicle you have to register it with the state. Once you are able to drive, and own a car, then you have to abide by the rules of your state.

Seatbelt laws are just one of those rules. Deal with it.

They save lives. They aren't bothering you. Stop your bitching. Driving a car isn't a freedom. You can always walk or ride a bike.

QFT

I can't believe so many people (including smart people i know) choose not to wear seatbelts. It's not that hard to snap a seatbelt in, and it can easily save your life in a car crash, so what am i missing? They just don't wear them because "Hey, it's a free country, i'll do what i please! YEEHAW!"? Are people just too lazy to buckle up?

Riding a motorcycle without a helmet is even worse (you hear that Ben Roethlisberger? ) Again, i don't see how people could be so stupid. It does matter how good of a driver/bike rider you are, you can't just think you won't ever be in a crash, there are a lot of crazy drivers on the road, and they could run into you at 60MPH. The accident may not be your fault, but you could be dead for not buckling up or wearing a helmet.

As for the law aspect of it. Seatbelts being required really makes sense, as someone said earlier, you could not only kill yourself by not wearing your seatbelt, but other passengers as well.

Helmets are a bit different in that aspect, but it's still really stupid not to wear them. I don't ride a bike often, but when i do, i don't wear a helmet, even though i should, because it's a stupid thing to do. Though i admit i do feel stupider wearing a bike helmet, they just look kinda lame is all - Though bicycle helmets aren't required if you're older than 18 or something like that i think, unless your on the road maybe, hell i don't know.

Blahblahblah, Anyways, moral of the story...Always Buckle up, and wear helmets when necessary stupid!

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Stupidity isn't punishable by death. If you're too dumb to wear a helmet by choice, you need the government to protect you,

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That is the biggest load of crap ever. I can't wait to see what other things the government "protects" me from.

I see right now, George Bush is trying to protect us from that pesky gay marriage! Whoo-hoo! Discrimination, for your protection!

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Meh. Driving is a privilege, not a right. You have to abide other rules while driving, this one is probably the most benign of any of them. You have to register yourself before you can operate a vehicle. You have to provide proof of insurance before you can own a vehicle. Once you own a vehicle you have to register it with the state. Once you are able to drive, and own a car, then you have to abide by the rules of your state.

It's great to see that our government doesn't feel the need to extend rights to anything made after 1776.

 

[IBuyUFO]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

It should be my choice not to pay the increase in insurance premium because of people like you who don't buckle up and then die.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO

It should be my choice not to pay the increase in insurance premium because of people like you who don't buckle up and then die.

Think before you speak. If they're dead, they're not costing you anything. If they survive and need treatment, then they cost you money.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO

It should be my choice not to pay the increase in insurance premium because of people like you who don't buckle up and then die.

Think before you speak. If they're dead, they're not costing you anything. If they survive and need treatment, then they cost you money.

To be fair, relatives still sue.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO

It should be my choice not to pay the increase in insurance premium because of people like you who don't buckle up and then die.

Think before you speak. If they're dead, they're not costing you anything. If they survive and need treatment, then they cost you money.

To be fair, relatives still sue.

But isn't that in civil court and not through the auto insurance?

 

[Shawn]

Doesn't matter to me. I ALWAYS put my seatbelt on as soon as I get it the car.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Shawn
Doesn't matter to me. I ALWAYS put my seatbelt on as soon as I get it the car.

Me too, I just don't think the government should profit off abusing their authority... "for my protection".

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: IBuyUFO

It should be my choice not to pay the increase in insurance premium because of people like you who don't buckle up and then die.

Think before you speak. If they're dead, they're not costing you anything. If they survive and need treatment, then they cost you money.

To be fair, relatives still sue.

But isn't that in civil court and not through the auto insurance?

Unfortunately, it still often gets kicked to the insurance. I guess that may be good for the person getting sued, since they're pretty much covered to the limits of their policy, but it's still a reflected cost.