Opinions on seatbelt/helmet laws?

[Pikachu]

He'll pay even more for smoker's medical bills. Guess smoking should be illegal too! :roll:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

Fine with me as long as when you're injured in an accident you pay for the medical bills all by yourself.

What you fail to understand is that the people that do not support seatbelt/helmet laws are FINE with this. I could care less if my insurance company OR hospital denies anyone that isn't wearing/using them..


Again - what you guys fail to see is that we WEAR seatbelts and helmets - I'm arguing my RIGHT not to if I don't want to...


there's a huge HUGE difference being deciding it's a good idea so that I can get hospital insurance coverage and being FORCED to by the gov't.


Insurance is a private institution keep in mind

I'm still trying to figure out why the fvck you care if you always wear seatbelts and helmets. I wear my seatbelt all the time and can't imagine riding a motorcycle without a helmet and guess what...I don't give a fvck if the law says I have to!!! It's common sense and only an idiot would argue otherwise.

Because you're a fscking blind moron who just does as he's told - without seeing the difference being what you want to do (or think is right) and what you are told to do...


Primarily being that just because you or I do it and think it's right doesn't mean we should FORCE our ideas on other people (and neither should the gub'mt)

Screw you assbag, I actually care about my life and if I can do something as simple as click on a seatbelt to increase my chances of survival I will gladly do so. I started driving in NY right before the seatbelt law took effect...I was a dumbass teen and hated it. I thought it was total BS back then but after an accident in which I wasn't wearing one I quickly changed my mind. Some people aren't that lucky.

I know a guy who doesn't wear a seatbelt on general principle and even though I respect him as a person I think he's a total idiot for his stance on seatbelts.

Just because you don't think we need to protect you from your dumbass self doesn't mean you're right.

 

[LeadMagnet]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
He'll pay even more for smoker's medical bills. Guess smoking should be illegal too! :roll:

we should outlaw ALL food that has more than 15% of it's calories come from fat while we are passing laws to prolong life.

And we shouldn't make cars that can not exceed the speed limit, (a little transmitter in a speed limit sign would tell the car it's max) - and cars sold in USA would only be designed to go 75MPH

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

Fine with me as long as when you're injured in an accident you pay for the medical bills all by yourself.

What you fail to understand is that the people that do not support seatbelt/helmet laws are FINE with this. I could care less if my insurance company OR hospital denies anyone that isn't wearing/using them..


Again - what you guys fail to see is that we WEAR seatbelts and helmets - I'm arguing my RIGHT not to if I don't want to...


there's a huge HUGE difference being deciding it's a good idea so that I can get hospital insurance coverage and being FORCED to by the gov't.


Insurance is a private institution keep in mind

I'm still trying to figure out why the fvck you care if you always wear seatbelts and helmets. I wear my seatbelt all the time and can't imagine riding a motorcycle without a helmet and guess what...I don't give a fvck if the law says I have to!!! It's common sense and only an idiot would argue otherwise.

Because you're a fscking blind moron who just does as he's told - without seeing the difference being what you want to do (or think is right) and what you are told to do...


Primarily being that just because you or I do it and think it's right doesn't mean we should FORCE our ideas on other people (and neither should the gub'mt)

Screw you assbag, I actually care about my life and if I can do something as simple as click on a seatbelt to increase my chances of survival I will gladly do so. I started driving in NY right before the seatbelt law took effect...I was a dumbass teen and hated it. I thought it was total BS back then but after an accident in which I wasn't wearing one I quickly changed my mind. Some people aren't that lucky.

I know a guy who doesn't wear a seatbelt on general principle and even though I respect him as a person I think he's a total idiot for his stance on seatbelts.

Just because you don't think we need to protect you from your dumbass self doesn't mean you're right.

Do you really not respect you're "guy's" right to decide ON HIS OWN not to wear a seatbelt??? It's HIS decision to be a ******; NOT YOUR'S..... or anyone else's... if he wants to be a moron then it's his choice

 

[Number1]

Extra incentive to motivate people to buckle up is a good thing. The Bozos who want the choice to wear or not to wear a seat belt need it.
Let?s recap:
A: Not wearing a seat belt is stupid.
B: Thinking about not wearing a seat belt is stupid.
C: There is nothing wrong with wearing a seat belt.

Anny questions?

About helmet laws: Ask Ben what he thinks about it now.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

Fine with me as long as when you're injured in an accident you pay for the medical bills all by yourself.

What you fail to understand is that the people that do not support seatbelt/helmet laws are FINE with this. I could care less if my insurance company OR hospital denies anyone that isn't wearing/using them..


Again - what you guys fail to see is that we WEAR seatbelts and helmets - I'm arguing my RIGHT not to if I don't want to...


there's a huge HUGE difference being deciding it's a good idea so that I can get hospital insurance coverage and being FORCED to by the gov't.


Insurance is a private institution keep in mind

I'm still trying to figure out why the fvck you care if you always wear seatbelts and helmets. I wear my seatbelt all the time and can't imagine riding a motorcycle without a helmet and guess what...I don't give a fvck if the law says I have to!!! It's common sense and only an idiot would argue otherwise.

Because you're a fscking blind moron who just does as he's told - without seeing the difference being what you want to do (or think is right) and what you are told to do...


Primarily being that just because you or I do it and think it's right doesn't mean we should FORCE our ideas on other people (and neither should the gub'mt)

Screw you assbag, I actually care about my life and if I can do something as simple as click on a seatbelt to increase my chances of survival I will gladly do so. I started driving in NY right before the seatbelt law took effect...I was a dumbass teen and hated it. I thought it was total BS back then but after an accident in which I wasn't wearing one I quickly changed my mind. Some people aren't that lucky.

I know a guy who doesn't wear a seatbelt on general principle and even though I respect him as a person I think he's a total idiot for his stance on seatbelts.

Just because you don't think we need to protect you from your dumbass self doesn't mean you're right.

Do you really not respect you're "guy's" right to decide ON HIS OWN not to wear a seatbelt??? It's HIS decision to be a ******; NOT YOUR'S..... or anyone else's... if he wants to be a moron then it's his choice

Nope, you're wrong. And I was wrong when I was in my teens and learning how to drive and had the same view you do now. Society has to clean up after the mess you make on the roadways. So yeah, I think we have a say.

Do I respect a guy's right to be stupid? No, I don't. Why the hell would I ever respect a moron?

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
I got three out of four, didn't I? :laugh:

... no. you lose. stop trying.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Government's got no business dictating how you should live your life. Only Socialist, left coast liberals would argue otherwise.

DRIVING'S NOT A FVCKING RIGHT, YOU DUMB MOTHERFVCKERS! SHUT YOUR DUMB ASSES UP!

jesus... it's ridiculous. "the governement has no right protecting its citizens".... yes, they fvcking do. that's one of the essential purposes of government, you dumb shyts.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Government's got no business dictating how you should live your life. Only Socialist, left coast liberals would argue otherwise.

DRIVING'S NOT A FVCKING RIGHT, YOU DUMB MOTHERFVCKERS! SHUT YOUR DUMB ASSES UP!

jesus... it's ridiculous. "the governement has no right protecting its citizens".... yes, they fvcking do. that's one of the essential purposes of government, you dumb shyts.

The government does need to protect the citizenry. From others, not from themselves. Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes at all.

 

[Pikachu]

Why aren't they "protecting" us from smoking? Do motorcyclists have a "right" to ride on public roads? Why doesn't the government "protect" people from riding such a dangerous conveyance as a motorcycle? It's the government's job to protect them from themselves, right?

Talk about dumb mofos! Not motorcyclists, but the nanny state Socialists who know best for all of us. :roll:

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

ask ben rothelisbugher...oh, wait...he can't talk

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Why aren't they "protecting" us from smoking? Do motorcyclists have a "right" to ride on public roads? Why doesn't the government "protect" people from riding such a dangerous conveyance as a motorcycle? It's the government's job to protect them from themselves, right?

Talk about dumb mofos! Not motorcyclists, but the nanny state Socialists who know best for all of us. :roll:

they are protecting us from smoking... it's called non-smoking restaurants/bars. you can't really protect smokers from smoking because they'll do what they're gonna do, but you can protect non-smokers from them in enclosed areas, which is actually considered a public health issue.

it's not on the government to protect people from themselves... it's on the government to protect people from each other.

 

[Pikachu]

Talking out of both sides of your mouth now. Logic is NOT your friend!

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Talking out of both sides of your mouth now. Logic is NOT your friend!

wtf are you talking about?

 

[Pikachu]

"Government's got no business dictating how you should live your life." (In reference to the topic.)

.... yes, they fvcking do. that's one of the essential purposes of government, you dumb shyts.

Square that with:

it's not on the government to protect people from themselves... it's on the government to protect people from each other.

:roll:

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
"Government's got no business dictating how you should live your life." (In reference to the topic.)

.... yes, they fvcking do. that's one of the essential purposes of government, you dumb shyts.

Square that with:

it's not on the government to protect people from themselves... it's on the government to protect people from each other.

:roll:

??? are you really not bright enough to know what i'm talking about?

part of the roll of government is to create a society in which people are taken care of and safe. in order to do that, they have to make laws in order to protect people.

if you live your life in a manner that could cause others to be at risk fiancially, physically, legally, emotionally, or otherwise, the government protects others by making a law against your dumbass actions.

it really isn't hard to grasp. maybe if you quit hanging out with other 9 year olds trading pokemon cards, you might come to understand. it's the same reason why your mommy sets a bedtime for you... it's not just for your benefit. it's for the others around you who need to deal with you when you're cranky and annoying.

 

[Pikachu]

Yet, cigarettes are legal and riding motorcycles is legal. In your Socialist world, both would be outlawed. Good thing we have checks & balances for you and your friends, Ralph, Ted, Hillary and Jane!

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Yet, cigarettes are legal and riding motorcycles is legal. In your Socialist world, both would be outlawed. Good thing we have checks & balances for you and your friends, Ralph, Ted, Hillary and Jane!

?? uh, no?

you really ARE that dumb, aren't you? christ, i didn't realize 9 year olds were so stupid this day in age...

let me explain this in a much easier way for you to understand:
- government makes and passes laws... that's part of their job.
- government making laws to protect other people from you = good.
- government making laws to protect people from themselves by banning things that aren't immediately dangerous or could be used to kill or do harm in excess = bad.

 

[Cattlegod]

dude, you guys don't understand. it is because it lowers insurance costs. if there was no law, less people would wear belts causing more accidents and damage. thus the law is in place and overall insurance levels are lower than they would be if there was no law.

i agree it should be up to the person to decide, but once it starts taking money out of my pocket book, i'm for the law.

 

[Pikachu]

Driving without a seatbelt is immediately dangerous. Riding a motorcycle is immediately dangerous. Ipso facto, riding a motorcycle should be against the law, for the same reason seatbelt laws are in place... by YOUR (and your socialist friend's) logic.


it lowers insurance costs

So would making tobacco and alcohol illegal. Let's go for it! :roll:

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Driving without a seatbelt is immediately dangerous. Riding a motorcycle is immediately dangerous. Ipso facto, riding a motorcycle should be against the law, for the same reason seatbelt laws are in place... by YOUR (and your socialist friend's) logic.


it lowers insurance costs

So would making tobacco and alcohol illegal. Let's go for it! :roll:

you are comparing apples to oranges. besides, the government makes a boatload of cash off of tobacco and alcohol.

 

[Whisper]

I'm about as liberal as people come on many issues, but even I disagree with seatbelt and helmet laws. I always wear my belt when driving and my helmet when riding, but I don't feel the government should have the ability to tell me to do so. If someone wants to be dumb, let them be dumb, so long as their idiocy doesn't drastically affect others directly.

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
dude, you guys don't understand. it is because it lowers insurance costs. if there was no law, less people would wear belts causing more accidents and damage. thus the law is in place and overall insurance levels are lower than they would be if there was no law.

i agree it should be up to the person to decide, but once it starts taking money out of my pocket book, i'm for the law.

I see your point about insurance costs, but I disagree with your statement that not wearing seatbelts would cause more accidents. I have a feeling that the number of accidents would be the same, just that there might be greater injury in those accidents. Then again, I have a feeling that if seatbelt laws weren't around, the number of people wearing/not wearing belts would stay about roughly where it is now. If someone doesn't feel like wearing one nowadays, they just don't wear one. The law itself--and the subsequent minor fine--don't seem to be deterring very many people.

However, the one exception I will make is for children, whose parents--as they are now--should be forced to use seatbelts and childseats up to a certain age.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Driving without a seatbelt is immediately dangerous. Riding a motorcycle is immediately dangerous. Ipso facto, riding a motorcycle should be against the law, for the same reason seatbelt laws are in place... by YOUR (and your socialist friend's) logic.


it lowers insurance costs

So would making tobacco and alcohol illegal. Let's go for it! :roll:

no, it's not immediately dangerous. you don't turn your car on and blow up because you didn't have your seatbelt on. driving without a helmet or seatbelt is potentially dangerous to you but, more importantly, it causes an emotional/lasting effect on other people whenever your ass or your kid's ass does smear all over the pavement, regardless of who's fault it is. it's not MY logic that riding a motorcycle should be illegal... that's YOUR dumbass logic. i never said anything that hinted to your ridiculous conclusion. i bet you got an F in high school geometry last semester, didn't you?

not only that, but once you die, who's going to pay for the other person's damages (if it was your fault)? who protects the other person in court from your family claiming to have killed you, even though your dumbass wasn't wearing a helmet? who pays for the therapy bill of the person you ran into because they can't seem to get the image of a corpse on the roof of their car out of their head?

by the way, quit with the "your socialist friends" crap.... we get the point - you're an idiot. we got it loud and clear.

 

[Pikachu]

you are comparing apples to oranges.

Cost of smoking related illnesses.

Cost of alcohol related illness.

You're right. Health cost from lack of seatbelt and helmet use comes nowhere near!

 

[knoxweather]

Well from what I have seen my firefighting career which is almost all EMS these days it helps some people live to see another day.