Opinions on seatbelt/helmet laws?

[Koing]

I make f0cking sure I wear a seat belt.

I don't ride a cycle helmet even though I should but I don't cycle that often and usually it was a 10minute commute.

Koing

 

[JASANITY]

chuck norris doesn't wear seatbelts. Seatbelts wear him.

 

[0roo0roo]

if u look at any documentary on the history of car safety features its just sad. seatbelts were offered, and ignorant public rejected them. 3 point seatbelts were offered by car makers to make up for the lap belts inadequacies and it was rejected. the rate of deaths from car accidents just kept climbing as more and more americans bought cars and they got faster and faster. people are ignorant now about basic physics, how do u think they were then

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Nope, you're wrong. And I was wrong when I was in my teens and learning how to drive and had the same view you do now. Society has to clean up after the mess you make on the roadways. So yeah, I think we have a say.

Do I respect a guy's right to be stupid? No, I don't. Why the hell would I ever respect a moron?

Are you one of those people who thinks that a person doesn't really own themself? That society owns the person?

I see all kind of stupid reasoning being based on that. You have the left-wing people thinking that nobody should be free and that we all owe ourselves to the collective, and we have the right-wing bible thumpers against things like gay marriage because even though it's their own personal decision, it's a sin and a crime against humanity.

Why can't people wise up and control themselves, without feeling the need to control everyone else? If someone idiot wants to wear no seatbelt/helmet, let them. They're only hurting themself. They own themself.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Government's got no business dictating how you should live your life. Only Socialist, left coast liberals would argue otherwise.

DRIVING'S NOT A FVCKING RIGHT, YOU DUMB MOTHERFVCKERS! SHUT YOUR DUMB ASSES UP!

jesus... it's ridiculous. "the governement has no right protecting its citizens".... yes, they fvcking do. that's one of the essential purposes of government, you dumb shyts.

Quick question: How old are you? Can't you express yourself more effectively than that?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: eits

- government making laws to protect other people from you = good.
- government making laws to protect people from themselves by banning things that aren't immediately dangerous or could be used to kill or do harm in excess = bad.

I agree with that part.

The problem is that people often find indirect, roundabout reasons of why it's hurting them.

Sort of like if there's a gay couple getting married in some city 1000 miles away from you, some people are still against it and don't think they should have the right. It boggles the mind of why they'd think that way. The easy answer is that they just don't like it, and don't think that other people (who have free will) should be able to behave in a manner that they don't approve of.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: eits
driving without a helmet or seatbelt is potentially dangerous to you but, more importantly, it causes an emotional/lasting effect on other people whenever your ass or your kid's ass does smear all over the pavement, regardless of who's fault it is.

The fact that you get emotionally harmed easily does not mean that my actions should be limited.

If I decide to say something that hurts your feelings badly, should I be allowed to say it? The answer is yes. Your cry of emotional harm does not supercede my freedom of speech.

If someone wants to ride a motorcycle without a helmet (which, BTW, is perfectly legal in PA), that is their choice, your emotional fragility is your problem, not the rider's.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits

- government making laws to protect other people from you = good.
- government making laws to protect people from themselves by banning things that aren't immediately dangerous or could be used to kill or do harm in excess = bad.

I agree with that part.

The problem is that people often find indirect, roundabout reasons of why it's hurting them.

Sort of like if there's a gay couple getting married in some city 1000 miles away from you, some people are still against it and don't think they should have the right. It boggles the mind of why they'd think that way. The easy answer is that they just don't like it, and don't think that other people (who have free will) should be able to behave in a manner that they don't approve of.

so how does it hurt you to wear a seatbelt? the government controls your life? well guess what, you have to get a marriage license. oh no, government again. your house has to abide by specific building codes... government again!

face it, if the government DIDN'T regulate/control some things, we'd have accidents left and right more than we do now. seatbelt law is meant to protect people.

 

[Pikachu]

1) Marriage effects the way you pay taxes, and the state resources alotted to you and your family.

2) Your house and property effect the neighborhood it's located in, as well as future owners of that house. It's a part of that area long after you've moved on.

3) Accidents left and right are reduced by traffic laws in place to protect other motorists from YOU.

4) Seatbelts laws are only only protecting you from yourself. It's a slippery slope protecting people from themselves. Where do you draw the line?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
1) Marriage effects the way you pay taxes, and the state resources alotted to you and your family.

2) Your house and property effect the neighborhood it's located in, as well as future owners of that house. It's a part of that area long after you've moved on.

3) Accidents left and right are reduced by traffic laws in place to protect other motorists from YOU.

4) Seatbelts laws are only only protecting you from yourself. It's a slippery slope protecting people from themselves. Where do you draw the line?

it does affect other people though... insurance rates are the way they are for a reason. if a bunch of teenage dumba$$es hadn't damn near killed themselves driving beyond their limits, my insurance might not be sky high before insane reductions (multiple drivers, good student, etc.)

 

[Pikachu]

Using that logic, the government should also make alcohol and cigarettes illegal, since it would reduce all of our insurance costs far more than lack of seatbelt use. But, I think that's already been mentioned... SEVERAL TIMES!

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Pikachu
1) Marriage effects the way you pay taxes, and the state resources alotted to you and your family.

2) Your house and property effect the neighborhood it's located in, as well as future owners of that house. It's a part of that area long after you've moved on.

3) Accidents left and right are reduced by traffic laws in place to protect other motorists from YOU.

4) Seatbelts laws are only only protecting you from yourself. It's a slippery slope protecting people from themselves. Where do you draw the line?

it does affect other people though... insurance rates are the way they are for a reason. if a bunch of teenage dumba$$es hadn't damn near killed themselves driving beyond their limits, my insurance might not be sky high before insane reductions (multiple drivers, good student, etc.)

So the answer to teenagers causing accidents is to mandate seatbelt use? Why not raise the driving age to 18?

 

[amicold]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

Oh shut the fvck up. No one ever gets ticketed for no seatbelt, and it's a foolish thing not to wear one anyways.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: amicold
Oh shut the fvck up. No one ever gets ticketed for no seatbelt, and it's a foolish thing not to wear one anyways.

Great argument. Where'd you learn to debate like that?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Pikachu
1) Marriage effects the way you pay taxes, and the state resources alotted to you and your family.

2) Your house and property effect the neighborhood it's located in, as well as future owners of that house. It's a part of that area long after you've moved on.

3) Accidents left and right are reduced by traffic laws in place to protect other motorists from YOU.

4) Seatbelts laws are only only protecting you from yourself. It's a slippery slope protecting people from themselves. Where do you draw the line?

it does affect other people though... insurance rates are the way they are for a reason. if a bunch of teenage dumba$$es hadn't damn near killed themselves driving beyond their limits, my insurance might not be sky high before insane reductions (multiple drivers, good student, etc.)

So the answer to teenagers causing accidents is to mandate seatbelt use? Why not raise the driving age to 18?

age doesn't mean they'll use seatbelts more often. my brothers suggest we need better driving schools, i really agree w/ them. my driving school in MD was such a joke...

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

it does affect other people though... insurance rates are the way they are for a reason. if a bunch of teenage dumba$$es hadn't damn near killed themselves driving beyond their limits, my insurance might not be sky high before insane reductions (multiple drivers, good student, etc.)

You can't use insurance rates as a valid reason to control other people's actions, though. Think of all the other things that affect your insurance, too.

For instance, riding a motorcycle in general is much, much riskier than driving a car. Any minor "fender bender" is likely to result in serious injury for the rider, even if they are wearing a helmet and pads. For any given accident, the cost of injury will be much higher for a rider of a motorcycle. Why should they be allowed, given this fact?

Also, eating red meat and fatty foods has been proven to cause health problems. Without a doubt, this raises your health insurance premium. Do you advocate controlling what other people eat, since it affects your insurance bill?

And as Pikachu mentioned, smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol cause health problems, too, yet they're legal. People that smoke/drink raise your insurance more than people who don't wear their seatbelts. Yet their actions are legal and you have no say about it.

Many things that people directly do to themselves indirectly affect you in some way. That doesn't mean that you get to control what they do.