Opinions on seatbelt/helmet laws?

[eits]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits
i think seatbelt and helmet laws are justified and should be implemented.

it's not just to help save citizen lives, which government has an obligation to uphold, but to protect the other person involved in a crash. for example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death. on the same token, i wouldn't want to hit and kill a motorcyclist or car driver/passenger who otherwise would have lived had they worn a helmet or seatbelt.

the laws should be in place to protect BOTH parties... not just the person who's immediately affected.

Where would you consider yourself to be on the political spectrum? Socialist? Far left liberal?

left of center.

Let me know how many I get right here:

Left of center, owns/wants to own a BMW or VW, owns a Mac, owns cats, very vocal, believes in 9/11 conspiracies.

How did I do?

i am left of center
i owned a vw passat... my friend totalled it, so now i have a volvo
i have a powerbook
i'm half owner of a cat... my friend allison and i raised a stray together, but she has it
i'm pretty vocal
i believe that the govt had something to do with 9/11

all in all, i'd say you did pretty well. nice memory you've got, there... either that or you stalk my posts.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I really don't understand why a bunch of people who generally wear their seatbelts and/or helmets on a motorcycle are arguing against these laws. I can somewhat see, just ever so slightly, the slippery slope argument but it is so slight as to be almost nonexistent.

I just don't see the connection...So, let me get this straight, if we don't repeal the seatbelt and helmet laws immediately, then 50 years from now we won't be able to eat red meat, skydive, wash the windows in tall buildings, go rock climbing, drink alcohol...and so on and so forth?

Someone said that? (referring to the last paragraph).

But I wouldn't be surprised if "similar" laws were in place at some point in the near future (100 years).

Adults should be allowed to make their own decisions when it concerns themselves. I still don't see how some of these people can make the argument that the seatbelt law protects the other drivers.

or example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death.

If you were in an accident..and it wasn't your fault, but the person died because he/she wasn't wearing a seatbelt/helmet then why would it bother you so much?

you don't think someone dying on the hood of your car is in any way a traumatic event? it's someone's life, dude...

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I really don't understand why a bunch of people who generally wear their seatbelts and/or helmets on a motorcycle are arguing against these laws. I can somewhat see, just ever so slightly, the slippery slope argument but it is so slight as to be almost nonexistent.

I just don't see the connection...So, let me get this straight, if we don't repeal the seatbelt and helmet laws immediately, then 50 years from now we won't be able to eat red meat, skydive, wash the windows in tall buildings, go rock climbing, drink alcohol...and so on and so forth?

Someone said that? (referring to the last paragraph).

But I wouldn't be surprised if "similar" laws were in place at some point in the near future (100 years).

Adults should be allowed to make their own decisions when it concerns themselves. I still don't see how some of these people can make the argument that the seatbelt law protects the other drivers.

or example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death.

If you were in an accident..and it wasn't your fault, but the person died because he/she wasn't wearing a seatbelt/helmet then why would it bother you so much?

you don't think someone dying on the hood of your car is in any way a traumatic event? it's someone's life, dude...

Sure, it would be awful that someone died (is dying) but like I said, if it wasn't my fault..how should I feel? (especially if they were brainless enough to not wear their seatbelt).

Edit: Forgot to add..I would be far more worried about the family/loved ones of the dead man/woman suing me...or being charged with manslaughter. (even if it wasn't my fault).

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I really don't understand why a bunch of people who generally wear their seatbelts and/or helmets on a motorcycle are arguing against these laws. I can somewhat see, just ever so slightly, the slippery slope argument but it is so slight as to be almost nonexistent.

I just don't see the connection...So, let me get this straight, if we don't repeal the seatbelt and helmet laws immediately, then 50 years from now we won't be able to eat red meat, skydive, wash the windows in tall buildings, go rock climbing, drink alcohol...and so on and so forth?

Someone said that? (referring to the last paragraph).

But I wouldn't be surprised if "similar" laws were in place at some point in the near future (100 years).

Adults should be allowed to make their own decisions when it concerns themselves. I still don't see how some of these people can make the argument that the seatbelt law protects the other drivers.

or example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death.

If you were in an accident..and it wasn't your fault, but the person died because he/she wasn't wearing a seatbelt/helmet then why would it bother you so much?

you don't think someone dying on the hood of your car is in any way a traumatic event? it's someone's life, dude...

Sure, it would be awful that someone died (is dying) but like I said, if it wasn't my fault..how should I feel? (especially if they were brainless enough to not wear their seatbelt).

Edit: Forgot to add..I would be far more worried about the family/loved ones of the dead man/woman suing me...or being charged with manslaughter. (even if it wasn't my fault).

that was part of my point in the post i made FOR the seatbelt/helmet laws...

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
If I didn't end up having higher rates I wouldn't care.

Right, but I do, so I care.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I really don't understand why a bunch of people who generally wear their seatbelts and/or helmets on a motorcycle are arguing against these laws. I can somewhat see, just ever so slightly, the slippery slope argument but it is so slight as to be almost nonexistent.

I just don't see the connection...So, let me get this straight, if we don't repeal the seatbelt and helmet laws immediately, then 50 years from now we won't be able to eat red meat, skydive, wash the windows in tall buildings, go rock climbing, drink alcohol...and so on and so forth?

Someone said that? (referring to the last paragraph).

But I wouldn't be surprised if "similar" laws were in place at some point in the near future (100 years).

Adults should be allowed to make their own decisions when it concerns themselves. I still don't see how some of these people can make the argument that the seatbelt law protects the other drivers.

or example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death.

If you were in an accident..and it wasn't your fault, but the person died because he/she wasn't wearing a seatbelt/helmet then why would it bother you so much?

you don't think someone dying on the hood of your car is in any way a traumatic event? it's someone's life, dude...

Sure, it would be awful that someone died (is dying) but like I said, if it wasn't my fault..how should I feel? (especially if they were brainless enough to not wear their seatbelt).

Edit: Forgot to add..I would be far more worried about the family/loved ones of the dead man/woman suing me...or being charged with manslaughter. (even if it wasn't my fault).

that was part of my point in the post i made FOR the seatbelt/helmet laws...

But many still don't wear their seatbelt, and some still die in car crashes because they didn't, even though it is the law.

And being sued could happen whether the "victim" was wearing their seatbelt or not. I meant that in a more general sense.

 

[bluestrobe]

For someone who has pulled a body out of a ditch after a single car accident and saw brain matter in the windshield of a car after a bike hit it, both laws are justified. People forget how driving is a privilege rather than a God given right. Those laws are there to help protect us, not to hurt us or restrict us. There are too many myths out there on the topic of seatbelts (If my Uncle?s Cousin?s Sister was wearing a seatbelt, she would have been killed) and the helmet laws are fought by those who most times have never been in a wreck with their bike. Statistics tell the facts on this issue.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: bluestrobe
For someone who has pulled a body out of a ditch after a single car accident and saw brain matter in the windshield of a car after a bike hit it, both laws are justified. People forget how driving is a privilege rather than a God given right. Those laws are there to help protect us, not to hurt us or restrict us. There are too many myths out there on the topic of seatbelts (If my Uncle?s Cousin?s Sister was wearing a seatbelt, she would have been killed) and the helmet laws are fought by those who most times have never been in a wreck with their bike. Statistics tell the facts on this issue.

amen.

driving isn't a right.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Seatbelts : Should be required, why? Because in an emergency situation it may be all that is capable of allowing you to remain in control of your car. If you are fighting to stay in the seat how are you going to control the car?

Helmets : Should be required as with eye protection. Considering the amount of crap that bounces of my helmet you have to be damn stupid to ride without one. Again its about control, you can lose control of the situation very quickly if something pops you wrong.


What bugs me the most about helmets is the twits I know who won't use real ones or take them off as soon as they cross into a state without a law. Why does it bug me? Most are married and/or have children. Yet its THEIR rights they harp about while totally ignoring the fact they have responsibilities to others beyond the general public.

Wear a helmet or get off the bike. You do not have a right to ride without one, its not in the Constitution anywhere.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Rather than enforcing laws to do so, I would rather let natural selection takes it course on stupid people who refuses to wear seatbelts and helmets.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits
i think seatbelt and helmet laws are justified and should be implemented.

it's not just to help save citizen lives, which government has an obligation to uphold, but to protect the other person involved in a crash. for example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death. on the same token, i wouldn't want to hit and kill a motorcyclist or car driver/passenger who otherwise would have lived had they worn a helmet or seatbelt.

the laws should be in place to protect BOTH parties... not just the person who's immediately affected.

Where would you consider yourself to be on the political spectrum? Socialist? Far left liberal?

left of center.

Let me know how many I get right here:

Left of center, owns/wants to own a BMW or VW, owns a Mac, owns cats, very vocal, believes in 9/11 conspiracies.

How did I do?

i am left of center
i owned a vw passat... my friend totalled it, so now i have a volvo
i have a powerbook
i'm half owner of a cat... my friend allison and i raised a stray together, but she has it
i'm pretty vocal
i believe that the govt had something to do with 9/11

all in all, i'd say you did pretty well. nice memory you've got, there... either that or you stalk my posts.

bahahaha awesome and completely typical




"please gov't take care of me please!!"

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
Seatbelts : Should be required, why? Because in an emergency situation it may be all that is capable of allowing you to remain in control of your car. If you are fighting to stay in the seat how are you going to control the car?

Helmets : Should be required as with eye protection. Considering the amount of crap that bounces of my helmet you have to be damn stupid to ride without one. Again its about control, you can lose control of the situation very quickly if something pops you wrong.


What bugs me the most about helmets is the twits I know who won't use real ones or take them off as soon as they cross into a state without a law. Why does it bug me? Most are married and/or have children. Yet its THEIR rights they harp about while totally ignoring the fact they have responsibilities to others beyond the general public.

Wear a helmet or get off the bike. You do not have a right to ride without one, its not in the Constitution anywhere.

If you are hit hard enough to fly out of your car through the windshield, you will most assuredly not be able to keep your car in control even if your seatbelt is on. It would all happen too fast.

Concerning your 2nd paragraph: those people are idiots.

 

[Beev]

I only read the OP, but if someone gets hurt because they didn't wear a helmet or seat belt don't the taxpayers in some round about way pay his medical bills? Yeah, fvck that. If you don't wear a helmet or seatbelt then you waive your right to live.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits
i think seatbelt and helmet laws are justified and should be implemented.

it's not just to help save citizen lives, which government has an obligation to uphold, but to protect the other person involved in a crash. for example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death. on the same token, i wouldn't want to hit and kill a motorcyclist or car driver/passenger who otherwise would have lived had they worn a helmet or seatbelt.

the laws should be in place to protect BOTH parties... not just the person who's immediately affected.

Where would you consider yourself to be on the political spectrum? Socialist? Far left liberal?

left of center.

Let me know how many I get right here:

Left of center, owns/wants to own a BMW or VW, owns a Mac, owns cats, very vocal, believes in 9/11 conspiracies.

How did I do?

i am left of center
i owned a vw passat... my friend totalled it, so now i have a volvo
i have a powerbook
i'm half owner of a cat... my friend allison and i raised a stray together, but she has it
i'm pretty vocal
i believe that the govt had something to do with 9/11

all in all, i'd say you did pretty well. nice memory you've got, there... either that or you stalk my posts.

bahahaha awesome and completely typical




"please gov't take care of me please!!"

oh, ok... like you're not typical at all. i bet you've got a confederate flag someplace and defend it as being part of your heritage or some bullcrap.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits
i think seatbelt and helmet laws are justified and should be implemented.

it's not just to help save citizen lives, which government has an obligation to uphold, but to protect the other person involved in a crash. for example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death. on the same token, i wouldn't want to hit and kill a motorcyclist or car driver/passenger who otherwise would have lived had they worn a helmet or seatbelt.

the laws should be in place to protect BOTH parties... not just the person who's immediately affected.

Where would you consider yourself to be on the political spectrum? Socialist? Far left liberal?

left of center.

Let me know how many I get right here:

Left of center, owns/wants to own a BMW or VW, owns a Mac, owns cats, very vocal, believes in 9/11 conspiracies.

How did I do?

i am left of center
i owned a vw passat... my friend totalled it, so now i have a volvo
i have a powerbook
i'm half owner of a cat... my friend allison and i raised a stray together, but she has it
i'm pretty vocal
i believe that the govt had something to do with 9/11

all in all, i'd say you did pretty well. nice memory you've got, there... either that or you stalk my posts.

bahahaha awesome and completely typical




"please gov't take care of me please!!"

oh, ok... like you're not typical at all. i bet you've got a confederate flag someplace and defend it as being part of your heritage or some bullcrap.

nope try again.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

Fine with me as long as when you're injured in an accident you pay for the medical bills all by yourself.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

Fine with me as long as when you're injured in an accident you pay for the medical bills all by yourself.

What you fail to understand is that the people that do not support seatbelt/helmet laws are FINE with this. I could care less if my insurance company OR hospital denies anyone that isn't wearing/using them..


Again - what you guys fail to see is that we WEAR seatbelts and helmets - I'm arguing my RIGHT not to if I don't want to...


there's a huge HUGE difference being deciding it's a good idea so that I can get hospital insurance coverage and being FORCED to by the gov't.


Insurance is a private institution keep in mind

 

[Pikachu]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eitsi think seatbelt and helmet laws are justified and should be implemented.

it's not just to help save citizen lives, which government has an obligation to uphold, but to protect the other person involved in a crash. for example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death. on the same token, i wouldn't want to hit and kill a motorcyclist or car driver/passenger who otherwise would have lived had they worn a helmet or seatbelt.

the laws should be in place to protect BOTH parties... not just the person who's immediately affected.

Where would you consider yourself to be on the political spectrum? Socialist? Far left liberal?

left of center.

Let me know how many I get right here:

Left of center, owns/wants to own a BMW or VW, owns a Mac, owns cats, very vocal, believes in 9/11 conspiracies.

How did I do?

i am left of center
i owned a vw passat... my friend totalled it, so now i have a volvo
i have a powerbook
i'm half owner of a cat... my friend allison and i raised a stray together, but she has it
i'm pretty vocal
i believe that the govt had something to do with 9/11

all in all, i'd say you did pretty well. nice memory you've got, there... either that or you stalk my posts.

LMAO :laugh:

I wanna try too. eits heroes: One, Two, Three, and Four

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pikachu

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: eitsi think seatbelt and helmet laws are justified and should be implemented.

it's not just to help save citizen lives, which government has an obligation to uphold, but to protect the other person involved in a crash. for example, if some douchenozzle doing bike tricks runs into my car and dies, i don't want to have to constantly think about a dude dying on my car or that i somehow contributed to someone's death. on the same token, i wouldn't want to hit and kill a motorcyclist or car driver/passenger who otherwise would have lived had they worn a helmet or seatbelt.

the laws should be in place to protect BOTH parties... not just the person who's immediately affected.

Where would you consider yourself to be on the political spectrum? Socialist? Far left liberal?

left of center.

Let me know how many I get right here:

Left of center, owns/wants to own a BMW or VW, owns a Mac, owns cats, very vocal, believes in 9/11 conspiracies.

How did I do?

i am left of center
i owned a vw passat... my friend totalled it, so now i have a volvo
i have a powerbook
i'm half owner of a cat... my friend allison and i raised a stray together, but she has it
i'm pretty vocal
i believe that the govt had something to do with 9/11

all in all, i'd say you did pretty well. nice memory you've got, there... either that or you stalk my posts.

LMAO :laugh:

I wanna try too. eits heroes: One, Two, Three, and Four

wow, you're terrible at this game. you do realize that all 91ttz did was look at previous threads i've posted in and "make his guesses," right? he isn't a dumbass who just prattles off without some kind of insurance...

 

[Pikachu]

I got three out of four, didn't I? :laugh:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

Fine with me as long as when you're injured in an accident you pay for the medical bills all by yourself.

What you fail to understand is that the people that do not support seatbelt/helmet laws are FINE with this. I could care less if my insurance company OR hospital denies anyone that isn't wearing/using them..


Again - what you guys fail to see is that we WEAR seatbelts and helmets - I'm arguing my RIGHT not to if I don't want to...


there's a huge HUGE difference being deciding it's a good idea so that I can get hospital insurance coverage and being FORCED to by the gov't.


Insurance is a private institution keep in mind

I'm still trying to figure out why the fvck you care if you always wear seatbelts and helmets. I wear my seatbelt all the time and can't imagine riding a motorcycle without a helmet and guess what...I don't give a fvck if the law says I have to!!! It's common sense and only an idiot would argue otherwise.

 

[LeadMagnet]

I am all for no personal safety laws, but I hate paying for moron's medical bills with my taxes.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Apex

Originally posted by: zixxer
I personally competely disagree with ANY law that is designed to protect a single individual.. i.e. seatbelt laws - that protect me only. Same for helmet laws, etc.


I think you're RETARDED to not wear a seatbelt or a helmet. However, WTF does it hurt? Insurance companies should only offer policies to people who use these safety devices... bleh


the gene pool is too crowded. Why do us americans try to make it worse? I don't understand.. help people who are mentally ill adapt so they can work - have families, etc...

Seat belt laws also protect other people in the car.

It should be MY choice to decide whether or not to trust my life with the driver - not the governments

Fine with me as long as when you're injured in an accident you pay for the medical bills all by yourself.

What you fail to understand is that the people that do not support seatbelt/helmet laws are FINE with this. I could care less if my insurance company OR hospital denies anyone that isn't wearing/using them..


Again - what you guys fail to see is that we WEAR seatbelts and helmets - I'm arguing my RIGHT not to if I don't want to...


there's a huge HUGE difference being deciding it's a good idea so that I can get hospital insurance coverage and being FORCED to by the gov't.


Insurance is a private institution keep in mind

I'm still trying to figure out why the fvck you care if you always wear seatbelts and helmets. I wear my seatbelt all the time and can't imagine riding a motorcycle without a helmet and guess what...I don't give a fvck if the law says I have to!!! It's common sense and only an idiot would argue otherwise.

Because you're a fscking blind moron who just does as he's told - without seeing the difference being what you want to do (or think is right) and what you are told to do...


Primarily being that just because you or I do it and think it's right doesn't mean we should FORCE our ideas on other people (and neither should the gub'mt)

 

[Pikachu]

Government's got no business dictating how you should live your life. Only Socialist, left coast liberals would argue otherwise.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: LeadMagnet
I am all for no personal safety laws, but I hate paying for moron's medical bills with my taxes.

Which bugs you more?