opinions on tithe?

[Ameesh]

what do you think about tithe in general, what about the people who pay it or the people who refuse to?


thoughts?

 

[Passions]

It was awesome, I liked it alot.

 

[Kadarin]

Tithe as in the church collection basket?

 

[Jackhammerz]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?

That's what I understood the question to be about. I see nothing wrong with tithes. It's only 10%. That's the least thing you can do to give back to God and the church. Read the bible.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Jackhammerz

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?

That's what I understood the question to be about. I see nothing wrong with tithes. It's only 10%. That's the least thing you can do to give back to God and the church. Read the bible.

Does God really want your cash? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus himself have some kind of problem with churches/temples and money?

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Jackhammerz

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?

That's what I understood the question to be about. I see nothing wrong with tithes. It's only 10%. That's the least thing you can do to give back to God and the church. Read the bible.

Does God really want your cash? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus himself have some kind of problem with churches/temples and money?

Yes God REQUIRES 1/10th (or a tithe) of everything you earn. Back in the Old Testament the people would tithe 1/10th of their goods such as fruit or meat. Some of this would go to feed the staff at the temple and some of it would be burned as a gift to God. God wants our cash b/c our cash keeps the church going, feeds the poor, pays missionaries, etc. Jesus only had a problem with the churches/temples and the money b/c the people running it were either skimming off the top, or buying/selling in the temple at unreasonable rates (I assume you are referring to the story where Jesus b/c angry with the collectors/sellers and flipped over the tables and drove them out of the temple)

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Jackhammerz

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?

That's what I understood the question to be about. I see nothing wrong with tithes. It's only 10%. That's the least thing you can do to give back to God and the church. Read the bible.

Does God really want your cash? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus himself have some kind of problem with churches/temples and money?

Not really. he had a problem with currupt church leaders keeping the money to be rich. Useing the money for church upkeep, helping out the poor etc is fine. I have no problem doing that.


But poeple like Jim baker ruin it. I cant see giving any church money when the leaders live like they did.

 

[Siddhartha]

It has to do with religion right?

 

[xxAgentCowxx]

I luuuuuuuuuv big tithes

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
It has to do with religion right?

its where you pay 10% of your gross salary to the church every month.

 

[Zenmervolt]

My theological position is that tithing, like the rest of the Mosaic Law, has been invalidated by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Now, this does not mean that one should not give his "first fruits" to the church (at least, in my opinion), but it does, I believe, quite clearly eliminate the 10% dictum.

ZV

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Jackhammerz

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?

That's what I understood the question to be about. I see nothing wrong with tithes. It's only 10%. That's the least thing you can do to give back to God and the church. Read the bible.

Does God really want your cash? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus himself have some kind of problem with churches/temples and money?

Yes God REQUIRES 1/10th (or a tithe) of everything you earn. Back in the Old Testament the people would tithe 1/10th of their goods such as fruit or meat. Some of this would go to feed the staff at the temple and some of it would be burned as a gift to God. God wants our cash b/c our cash keeps the church going, feeds the poor, pays missionaries, etc. Jesus only had a problem with the churches/temples and the money b/c the people running it were either skimming off the top, or buying/selling in the temple at unreasonable rates (I assume you are referring to the story where Jesus b/c angry with the collectors/sellers and flipped over the tables and drove them out of the temple)

There is a contradiction here. What point is there in burning money or usable stuff as a "gift to God"? I would think God (assuming, of course that there is a God) would vastly prefer people not burn the stuff as "gifts", but instead put it to good use.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
My theological position is that tithing, like the rest of the Mosaic Law, has been invalidated by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Now, this does not mean that one should not give his "first fruits" to the church (at least, in my opinion), but it does, I believe, quite clearly eliminate the 10% dictum.

ZV

I have spoken with people who are seriously into studying the Bible, and some believe that the "old Covenant" has been superceded by the "new Covenant" as brought forth by Jesus. If this is true, aren't ALL points on the "old Covenant" rendered invalid, as opposed to allowing anyone to pick and choose?

I apologize, I am not a Bible scholar, so if someone could please elaborate and make sure I am using correct terminology, etc..

 

[DWW]

I don't agree with tithe.

Why? If I want to give money back I'll just do it myself so they (those receiving) get 100% what I give out.

Remember folks, your supreme being (God, Allah, d-g, g-d, Buddha whatever) knows all your intent. Being forced to pay money does not make it sincere.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
My theological position is that tithing, like the rest of the Mosaic Law, has been invalidated by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Now, this does not mean that one should not give his "first fruits" to the church (at least, in my opinion), but it does, I believe, quite clearly eliminate the 10% dictum.

ZV

I have spoken with people who are seriously into studying the Bible, and some believe that the "old Covenant" has been superceded by the "new Covenant" as brought forth by Jesus. If this is true, aren't ALL points on the "old Covenant" rendered invalid, as opposed to allowing anyone to pick and choose?

While the new law superceded the old, there is no reason you can't go above and beyond. There may no longer be a specific demand to tithe, but I don't think God would hold it against you if you should wish to.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
My theological position is that tithing, like the rest of the Mosaic Law, has been invalidated by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Now, this does not mean that one should not give his "first fruits" to the church (at least, in my opinion), but it does, I believe, quite clearly eliminate the 10% dictum.

ZV

I have spoken with people who are seriously into studying the Bible, and some believe that the "old Covenant" has been superceded by the "new Covenant" as brought forth by Jesus. If this is true, aren't ALL points on the "old Covenant" rendered invalid, as opposed to allowing anyone to pick and choose?

While the new law superceded the old, there is no reason you can't go above and beyond. There may no longer be a specific demand to tithe, but I don't think God would hold it against you if you should wish to.

I don't think God would, either.. But "choice" is a lot different than "requirement". But I can also expand my point to apply to any rule in the Old Covenant (is this the right terminology?), I believe.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
It has to do with religion right?

you catch on quick

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Staley8
Yes God REQUIRES 1/10th (or a tithe) of everything you earn. Back in the Old Testament the people would tithe 1/10th of their goods such as fruit or meat. Some of this would go to feed the staff at the temple and some of it would be burned as a gift to God. God wants our cash b/c our cash keeps the church going, feeds the poor, pays missionaries, etc. Jesus only had a problem with the churches/temples and the money b/c the people running it were either skimming off the top, or buying/selling in the temple at unreasonable rates (I assume you are referring to the story where Jesus b/c angry with the collectors/sellers and flipped over the tables and drove them out of the temple)

There is a contradiction here. What point is there in burning money or usable stuff as a "gift to God"? I would think God (assuming, of course that there is a God) would vastly prefer people not burn the stuff as "gifts", but instead put it to good use.

The reason is that that food/offering belonged to God and nobody else could have it. The Bible many times states that the burnt offerings were an aroma pleasing to God. A burnt offereing also represented the cleansing of sin. For example a person would have to take a bull, sheep, or dove (depending on their wealth) and it MUST be an umblemished one. At this point they would lay their hands on the animal, in a sense transferring your sin to the animal. Then the animal would be killed and the priests would cut it up and burn it. The reason we don't do it now is that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for us so we are no longer required to have burnt offerings or other sacrifices. However the tithing rule is widely believed to still be in effect. Many churches won't come right out and say "you must give 10% of gross" but it tends to be implied even nowadays.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Staley8
Yes God REQUIRES 1/10th (or a tithe) of everything you earn. Back in the Old Testament the people would tithe 1/10th of their goods such as fruit or meat. Some of this would go to feed the staff at the temple and some of it would be burned as a gift to God. God wants our cash b/c our cash keeps the church going, feeds the poor, pays missionaries, etc. Jesus only had a problem with the churches/temples and the money b/c the people running it were either skimming off the top, or buying/selling in the temple at unreasonable rates (I assume you are referring to the story where Jesus b/c angry with the collectors/sellers and flipped over the tables and drove them out of the temple)

There is a contradiction here. What point is there in burning money or usable stuff as a "gift to God"? I would think God (assuming, of course that there is a God) would vastly prefer people not burn the stuff as "gifts", but instead put it to good use.

The reason is that that food/offering belonged to God and nobody else could have it. The Bible many times states that the burnt offerings were an aroma pleasing to God. A burnt offereing also represented the cleansing of sin. For example a person would have to take a bull, sheep, or dove (depending on their wealth) and it MUST be an umblemished one. At this point they would lay their hands on the animal, in a sense transferring your sin to the animal. Then the animal would be killed and the priests would cut it up and burn it. The reason we don't do it now is that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for us so we are no longer required to have burnt offerings or other sacrifices. However the tithing rule is widely believed to still be in effect. Many churches won't come right out and say "you must give 10% of gross" but it tends to be implied even nowadays.

It is either in effect or it is not. Either the New Covenant supercedes the Old Covenant, or it does not. The fact that there is even ANY uncertainty on this rather important point very strongly implies that the Church (and perhaps other entities) is using invalidated and superceded rules as listed in the Old Testament for their own purposes. Does it not?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
My theological position is that tithing, like the rest of the Mosaic Law, has been invalidated by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Now, this does not mean that one should not give his "first fruits" to the church (at least, in my opinion), but it does, I believe, quite clearly eliminate the 10% dictum.

ZV

I have spoken with people who are seriously into studying the Bible, and some believe that the "old Covenant" has been superceded by the "new Covenant" as brought forth by Jesus. If this is true, aren't ALL points on the "old Covenant" rendered invalid, as opposed to allowing anyone to pick and choose?

While the new law superceded the old, there is no reason you can't go above and beyond. There may no longer be a specific demand to tithe, but I don't think God would hold it against you if you should wish to.

I don't think God would, either.. But "choice" is a lot different than "requirement". But I can also expand my point to apply to any rule in the Old Covenant (is this the right terminology?), I believe.

I would agree with you. To an extent.

While the "requirement" is no longer applicable, can a person who gives nothing of his time nor of the fruits of his labor to supporting the church ("church" being used in the generic sense of "community of God" which knows no boundaries of denomination nor of geography) really be considered to be a believer? So the giving of time, labour, and/or capital need not be to a religious organization. Someone who spends time feeding the hungry and clothing the needy through secular organizations is still giving back to the community of God.

So while the 10% dictum is rendered invalid (as is the entirity of the Old Testament law according to many scholars), this does not mean that we can be completely selfish and not care about others. Remember that the new covanent is to love God with all ourself and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. A person who is not giving any of his resources to God cannot be truly said to love God. Likewise a person who gives nothing at all to others, cannot truly be said to be loving his neighbors. So while you're not going to be damned for only giving 9.5% of your resources, if you're giving nothing at all, it makes it much, much harder to claim that you truly love God and your neighbors.

Zv

 

[So]

God needs our money. Without money, god can't feed the poor, nor can he keep his churches standing.

 

[Ranger X]

This one church near my house built a multi-million dollar state-of-the-art bible study room with the 10% everyone was forking over each week. Personally, I'm not into tithing so that church officials can live their lives in luxury AND to have high tech buildings built when they're not necessary.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Staley8
Yes God REQUIRES 1/10th (or a tithe) of everything you earn. Back in the Old Testament the people would tithe 1/10th of their goods such as fruit or meat. Some of this would go to feed the staff at the temple and some of it would be burned as a gift to God. God wants our cash b/c our cash keeps the church going, feeds the poor, pays missionaries, etc. Jesus only had a problem with the churches/temples and the money b/c the people running it were either skimming off the top, or buying/selling in the temple at unreasonable rates (I assume you are referring to the story where Jesus b/c angry with the collectors/sellers and flipped over the tables and drove them out of the temple)

There is a contradiction here. What point is there in burning money or usable stuff as a "gift to God"? I would think God (assuming, of course that there is a God) would vastly prefer people not burn the stuff as "gifts", but instead put it to good use.

The reason is that that food/offering belonged to God and nobody else could have it. The Bible many times states that the burnt offerings were an aroma pleasing to God. A burnt offereing also represented the cleansing of sin. For example a person would have to take a bull, sheep, or dove (depending on their wealth) and it MUST be an umblemished one. At this point they would lay their hands on the animal, in a sense transferring your sin to the animal. Then the animal would be killed and the priests would cut it up and burn it. The reason we don't do it now is that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for us so we are no longer required to have burnt offerings or other sacrifices. However the tithing rule is widely believed to still be in effect. Many churches won't come right out and say "you must give 10% of gross" but it tends to be implied even nowadays.

It is either in effect or it is not. Either the New Covenant supercedes the Old Covenant, or it does not. The fact that there is even ANY uncertainty on this rather important point very strongly implies that the Church (and perhaps other entities) is using invalidated and superceded rules as listed in the Old Testament for their own purposes. Does it not?

To be honest. It IS in effect. The problem is that nowadays people are so sensative about issues (especially regarding money), and people don't like to be told what to do. Therefore the church has to be a little more politically correct many times b/c they don't want to offend everyone in the church (or visitors) and have that be a deterrant for becoming a Christian. So they won't come out directly and say it all the time, but if you are around a church long enough it will be said whether you like it or not. And finally the church will say it is required from God and the church will expect it but the church will not check up on each person (note: they church will NOT take your W2 and compared it to your giving) b/c that is between the individual and God.

P.S. This has been a very civilized religion debate thus far.....is this ATOT or did I type in the wrong addy?

 

[Platypus]

Choices always were a problem for you.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
what you need is someone strong to use you...
Like me.

If you want to get your soul to heaven*,
trust in me.
Don't judge or question.
You are broken now,
but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow.
Let me lay my holy hand upon you.

My God's will
becomes me.
When he speaks out,
he speaks through me.
He has needs
like I do.
We both want
to rape you.

Jesus Christ, why don't you come save my life.
Open my eyes and blind me with your light
and your lies.



*you'd better fill the fvcking collection plate.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Staley8
To be honest. It IS in effect.

That is not universally accepted. I'm sorry. While many Evangelical and Fundamental Christian churches keep the tithe as an unspoken "rule", there are numerous others where it never even comes up. I was raised in a Uniter Methodist church. In my 22 years there the issue of tithe has never once come up. To the best of my knowledge, it has not once come up at my grandparents' Lutheran church either. It depends largely on the denomination as to whether the idea of tithing is considered doctrinal.

Originally posted by: Staley8
P.S. This has been a very civilized religion debate thus far.....is this ATOT or did I type in the wrong addy?

Sadly, the post immediately after yours confirmed that this is indeed ATOT.

ZV