Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?
Originally posted by: Jackhammerz
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?
That's what I understood the question to be about. I see nothing wrong with tithes. It's only 10%. That's the least thing you can do to give back to God and the church. Read the bible.
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Jackhammerz
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?
That's what I understood the question to be about. I see nothing wrong with tithes. It's only 10%. That's the least thing you can do to give back to God and the church. Read the bible.
Does God really want your cash? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus himself have some kind of problem with churches/temples and money?
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Jackhammerz
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?
That's what I understood the question to be about. I see nothing wrong with tithes. It's only 10%. That's the least thing you can do to give back to God and the church. Read the bible.
Does God really want your cash? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus himself have some kind of problem with churches/temples and money?
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
It has to do with religion right?
Originally posted by: Staley8
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Jackhammerz
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Tithe as in the church collection basket?
That's what I understood the question to be about. I see nothing wrong with tithes. It's only 10%. That's the least thing you can do to give back to God and the church. Read the bible.
Does God really want your cash? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus himself have some kind of problem with churches/temples and money?
Yes God REQUIRES 1/10th (or a tithe) of everything you earn. Back in the Old Testament the people would tithe 1/10th of their goods such as fruit or meat. Some of this would go to feed the staff at the temple and some of it would be burned as a gift to God. God wants our cash b/c our cash keeps the church going, feeds the poor, pays missionaries, etc. Jesus only had a problem with the churches/temples and the money b/c the people running it were either skimming off the top, or buying/selling in the temple at unreasonable rates (I assume you are referring to the story where Jesus b/c angry with the collectors/sellers and flipped over the tables and drove them out of the temple)
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
My theological position is that tithing, like the rest of the Mosaic Law, has been invalidated by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Now, this does not mean that one should not give his "first fruits" to the church (at least, in my opinion), but it does, I believe, quite clearly eliminate the 10% dictum.
ZV
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
My theological position is that tithing, like the rest of the Mosaic Law, has been invalidated by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Now, this does not mean that one should not give his "first fruits" to the church (at least, in my opinion), but it does, I believe, quite clearly eliminate the 10% dictum.
ZV
I have spoken with people who are seriously into studying the Bible, and some believe that the "old Covenant" has been superceded by the "new Covenant" as brought forth by Jesus. If this is true, aren't ALL points on the "old Covenant" rendered invalid, as opposed to allowing anyone to pick and choose?
Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
My theological position is that tithing, like the rest of the Mosaic Law, has been invalidated by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Now, this does not mean that one should not give his "first fruits" to the church (at least, in my opinion), but it does, I believe, quite clearly eliminate the 10% dictum.
ZV
I have spoken with people who are seriously into studying the Bible, and some believe that the "old Covenant" has been superceded by the "new Covenant" as brought forth by Jesus. If this is true, aren't ALL points on the "old Covenant" rendered invalid, as opposed to allowing anyone to pick and choose?
While the new law superceded the old, there is no reason you can't go above and beyond. There may no longer be a specific demand to tithe, but I don't think God would hold it against you if you should wish to.
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
It has to do with religion right?
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Staley8
Yes God REQUIRES 1/10th (or a tithe) of everything you earn. Back in the Old Testament the people would tithe 1/10th of their goods such as fruit or meat. Some of this would go to feed the staff at the temple and some of it would be burned as a gift to God. God wants our cash b/c our cash keeps the church going, feeds the poor, pays missionaries, etc. Jesus only had a problem with the churches/temples and the money b/c the people running it were either skimming off the top, or buying/selling in the temple at unreasonable rates (I assume you are referring to the story where Jesus b/c angry with the collectors/sellers and flipped over the tables and drove them out of the temple)
There is a contradiction here. What point is there in burning money or usable stuff as a "gift to God"? I would think God (assuming, of course that there is a God) would vastly prefer people not burn the stuff as "gifts", but instead put it to good use.
Originally posted by: Staley8
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Staley8
Yes God REQUIRES 1/10th (or a tithe) of everything you earn. Back in the Old Testament the people would tithe 1/10th of their goods such as fruit or meat. Some of this would go to feed the staff at the temple and some of it would be burned as a gift to God. God wants our cash b/c our cash keeps the church going, feeds the poor, pays missionaries, etc. Jesus only had a problem with the churches/temples and the money b/c the people running it were either skimming off the top, or buying/selling in the temple at unreasonable rates (I assume you are referring to the story where Jesus b/c angry with the collectors/sellers and flipped over the tables and drove them out of the temple)
There is a contradiction here. What point is there in burning money or usable stuff as a "gift to God"? I would think God (assuming, of course that there is a God) would vastly prefer people not burn the stuff as "gifts", but instead put it to good use.
The reason is that that food/offering belonged to God and nobody else could have it. The Bible many times states that the burnt offerings were an aroma pleasing to God. A burnt offereing also represented the cleansing of sin. For example a person would have to take a bull, sheep, or dove (depending on their wealth) and it MUST be an umblemished one. At this point they would lay their hands on the animal, in a sense transferring your sin to the animal. Then the animal would be killed and the priests would cut it up and burn it. The reason we don't do it now is that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for us so we are no longer required to have burnt offerings or other sacrifices. However the tithing rule is widely believed to still be in effect. Many churches won't come right out and say "you must give 10% of gross" but it tends to be implied even nowadays.
I would agree with you. To an extent.Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I don't think God would, either.. But "choice" is a lot different than "requirement". But I can also expand my point to apply to any rule in the Old Covenant (is this the right terminology?), I believe.Originally posted by: Jzero
While the new law superceded the old, there is no reason you can't go above and beyond. There may no longer be a specific demand to tithe, but I don't think God would hold it against you if you should wish to.Originally posted by: Astaroth33
I have spoken with people who are seriously into studying the Bible, and some believe that the "old Covenant" has been superceded by the "new Covenant" as brought forth by Jesus. If this is true, aren't ALL points on the "old Covenant" rendered invalid, as opposed to allowing anyone to pick and choose?Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
My theological position is that tithing, like the rest of the Mosaic Law, has been invalidated by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Now, this does not mean that one should not give his "first fruits" to the church (at least, in my opinion), but it does, I believe, quite clearly eliminate the 10% dictum.
ZV
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Staley8
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Staley8
Yes God REQUIRES 1/10th (or a tithe) of everything you earn. Back in the Old Testament the people would tithe 1/10th of their goods such as fruit or meat. Some of this would go to feed the staff at the temple and some of it would be burned as a gift to God. God wants our cash b/c our cash keeps the church going, feeds the poor, pays missionaries, etc. Jesus only had a problem with the churches/temples and the money b/c the people running it were either skimming off the top, or buying/selling in the temple at unreasonable rates (I assume you are referring to the story where Jesus b/c angry with the collectors/sellers and flipped over the tables and drove them out of the temple)
There is a contradiction here. What point is there in burning money or usable stuff as a "gift to God"? I would think God (assuming, of course that there is a God) would vastly prefer people not burn the stuff as "gifts", but instead put it to good use.
The reason is that that food/offering belonged to God and nobody else could have it. The Bible many times states that the burnt offerings were an aroma pleasing to God. A burnt offereing also represented the cleansing of sin. For example a person would have to take a bull, sheep, or dove (depending on their wealth) and it MUST be an umblemished one. At this point they would lay their hands on the animal, in a sense transferring your sin to the animal. Then the animal would be killed and the priests would cut it up and burn it. The reason we don't do it now is that Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for us so we are no longer required to have burnt offerings or other sacrifices. However the tithing rule is widely believed to still be in effect. Many churches won't come right out and say "you must give 10% of gross" but it tends to be implied even nowadays.
It is either in effect or it is not. Either the New Covenant supercedes the Old Covenant, or it does not. The fact that there is even ANY uncertainty on this rather important point very strongly implies that the Church (and perhaps other entities) is using invalidated and superceded rules as listed in the Old Testament for their own purposes. Does it not?
That is not universally accepted. I'm sorry. While many Evangelical and Fundamental Christian churches keep the tithe as an unspoken "rule", there are numerous others where it never even comes up. I was raised in a Uniter Methodist church. In my 22 years there the issue of tithe has never once come up. To the best of my knowledge, it has not once come up at my grandparents' Lutheran church either. It depends largely on the denomination as to whether the idea of tithing is considered doctrinal.Originally posted by: Staley8
To be honest. It IS in effect.
Sadly, the post immediately after yours confirmed that this is indeed ATOT.Originally posted by: Staley8
P.S. This has been a very civilized religion debate thus far.....is this ATOT or did I type in the wrong addy?