Opteron 165 start.

[racer42]

Thanks, Derektm. What happened to hurt your 146?

 

[imported_drx]

Why does newegg show the 165 with 2mb L2 cache and a price of $475?

 

[NatePo717]

Originally posted by: drx
Why does newegg show the 165 with 2mb L2 cache and a price of $475?

1 mb L2/ core * 2 cores = 2mb L2

 

[Phluxed]

Im heavily considering getting this processor for its overclockability which would save me some money. Is there a guide I can read to really learn more about overclocking. I've done so in the past but not really knowing what I was doing, more following a guide. Any help would be much appreciative.

Note that I know of the sticky at the top of this forum, but I'd like something a little more thorough.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: drx
Why does newegg show the 165 with 2mb L2 cache and a price of $475?

More importantly, why is it $475 at newegg, and $305 at mwave ?

 

[Cooler]

newegg price gouging again they do this every time there is hot part like x800GTO2

 

[gozulin]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001I agree, the retail box 165 is only about $12 more at Monarch than the OEM is, and you get a longer warranty and a pretty nice heatsink for that money. I guess the warranty isn't too much of an issue if you overclock (which I believe voids the warranty?), but the heatsink by itself is worth at least $12...

What are you, a moron? The warranty is ESPECIALLY useful to overclockers because, if they fry their chip, they can return it and claim they did nothing to damage it. It's called lying and human beings do it ALL the time. Welcome to the real world!

 

[drifter106]

Poster from another website mentioned the following :

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So we've all seen how beastly the 14x series Opterons are. People are reporting 50% overclocks on air, almost regularly. And I think we've all seen our fair share of the people who managed to get over 3GHz on high-end air or water. Of course, there's the issue of the CABNE series, which are FX-line processors, versus the CABYE, which are San Diego cores, and the CABGE, which are supposedly trash.

Can anyone substantiate this and should we hold this to be true?

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: AkumaX
:Q

Stock cooler runs w/ heatpipe?

*saves $$*

Yea but it's not as robust as an after market cooler.. Don't let looks fool you. I'm at 77C right now and it idles at 42... Really light weight with a 70x15mm fan spinning @ 2500 rpm max.

Question...is there a relatively easy way to replace the fan on the stock heatsink with a bigger one? And, assuming that is possible...would you then recommend sticking with that, or spending the extra money for an XP-120 or something?

(FWIW, I'm still thinking I might go for the ASRock board with the resistor voltmod since that sort of bypasses the BIOS control in a way...adds +0.25V to whatever's set in the BIOS, as I understand it - and a few of the beta BIOS versions seem to work reasonably well. That is - assuming I can mod it without destroying it or find someone willing to do it for me - or unless I can trade my 6800GT for a PCI-E one easily. )

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I agree, the retail box 165 is only about $12 more at Monarch than the OEM is... but the heatsink by itself is worth at least $12...

Actually it is only $4 more. Why? Because Monarch specifies that you HAVE to buy a heatsink/fan combo from them if you buy an OEM CPU with the motherboard combo. Cheapest HSF is $8 and most of us probably won't go for any of the Thermaltake units that are the other alternatives.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I agree, the retail box 165 is only about $12 more at Monarch than the OEM is... but the heatsink by itself is worth at least $12...

Actually it is only $4 more. Why? Because Monarch specifies that you HAVE to buy a heatsink/fan combo from them if you buy an OEM CPU with the motherboard combo. Cheapest HSF is $8 and most of us probably won't go for any of the Thermaltake units that are the other alternatives.

Nope, just select the $0 dollar option and ask them to send you everything in the retail packaging. I've done if 4 or 5 times now.

Just ordered a 165 combo myself on Saturday.

Great time to jump on these. We're still early enough in the dual cpu game that your current cpu will not have depreciated too much. Add to that the tendency of earlier CPUs to be better OCers and you've got yourself a good reason to upgrade.

 

[canoneos1d]

Ordered mine on friday at 9pm eastern time from mwave and was delivered at 10am this morning with 3 day fedex service. numbers on chip are-
CCBWE 0534SPMW

Still looking for a new motherboard to replace my s754 chaintech, so maybe I will have to wait out for the new asus an832

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: AkumaX
:Q

Stock cooler runs w/ heatpipe?

*saves $$*

Yea but it's not as robust as an after market cooler.. Don't let looks fool you. I'm at 77C right now and it idles at 42... Really light weight with a 70x15mm fan spinning @ 2500 rpm max.

Question...is there a relatively easy way to replace the fan on the stock heatsink with a bigger one? And, assuming that is possible...would you then recommend sticking with that, or spending the extra money for an XP-120 or something?

(FWIW, I'm still thinking I might go for the ASRock board with the resistor voltmod since that sort of bypasses the BIOS control in a way...adds +0.25V to whatever's set in the BIOS, as I understand it - and a few of the beta BIOS versions seem to work reasonably well. That is - assuming I can mod it without destroying it or find someone willing to do it for me - or unless I can trade my 6800GT for a PCI-E one easily. )

Easy? Not unless you have a tablesaw to shave off .5mm from each side the 70mm x 15mm grove the stock fan is in to put in a regular 80mmx25mm fan in. I think it's a scam by whomever makes these HSF for AMD so overclockers are tempted to buy thier better stuff.. I mean what other HS uses 70x15mm fan? Has hardy any throw (static pressure)

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Got mine from Mwave today. CCBWE 0534SPMW for me too, guess that's what their shipment was. Running pretty stable at 2.5 right now, on the 1.42-1.44v the Neo2 gives me when I ask for 1.5v+5% over vid. Could probably get some more out of it, but I'm not sure how safe I feel running the thing at 1.5v when it's 1.3v stock. I suspect the XP-90 could probably keep it cool if I toss another.05 at it, just not sure how safe that would be.

Wondering what to do about my ram. This stuff just doesn't seem to overclock that well, and it seems my choices are 2-2-2 with the 133 divider for 180mhz or so, or 2.5-3-3 with the 166 divider. Might do some more testing on that, but it didn't O/C well with the old winnie I had in there, and I'm not expecting any miracles out of it.

The stock heatsink is most impressive looking for a stock heatsink. Didn't even bother to try it though. Might replace to stock cooler on my g/f venice with it, might just sell it along with my old winchester.

Didn't see much of an improvement in games, but didn't test too much. Is there a utility or a way to create shortcuts/settings for programs so they always start out with affinity set to one core or the other? Going into task manager and changing it manually every time could be a real pain.

Discovered DVD shrink was in fact multithreaded, causing me much joy.

Kinda wish there was a way to independently change the multipliers on the cores, since it's always core 1 faulting out in prime 95, while core 0 goes strong.

All in all though, I'm quite pleased. $300 for something faster then an $800 4800+ is nothing to sneer at, y'know?

 

[Agnostos Insania]

Would you guys say OCing a processor is too hard for someone who's never OC'd before? Would it just be easier for a novice to pay a little more for a X2?

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania
Would you guys say OCing a processor is too hard for someone who's never OC'd before? Would it just be easier for a novice to pay a little more for a X2?

Easier, yes. Worth it? Who knows. Are you ready for major headaches and long evenings figuring stuff out? Go for the OC'ing, it's worth it in the long run

 

[jmunjr]

Originally posted by: Cooler
newegg price gouging again they do this every time there is hot part like x800GTO2

LOL, this is not price gouging, this is basic economics. Gouging would be applicable for non-luxury items like food, gasoline, housing, etc. It is never gouging when someone charges extra for a high demand luxury item such as a new car, or in this case, over-hyped CPU..

 

[jmunjr]

Originally posted by: gozulin

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001I agree, the retail box 165 is only about $12 more at Monarch than the OEM is, and you get a longer warranty and a pretty nice heatsink for that money. I guess the warranty isn't too much of an issue if you overclock (which I believe voids the warranty?), but the heatsink by itself is worth at least $12...

What are you, a moron? The warranty is ESPECIALLY useful to overclockers because, if they fry their chip, they can return it and claim they did nothing to damage it. It's called lying and human beings do it ALL the time. Welcome to the real world!

Only scumbags and low-lifes lie pull this kind of crap. I've done it before too, and I was a scumbag. We all need to get a clue and live a little more honestly folks..

 

[Neptune3000]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Got mine from Mwave today. CCBWE 0534SPMW for me too, guess that's what their shipment was. Running pretty stable at 2.5 right now, on the 1.42-1.44v the Neo2 gives me when I ask for 1.5v+5% over vid. Could probably get some more out of it, but I'm not sure how safe I feel running the thing at 1.5v when it's 1.3v stock. I suspect the XP-90 could probably keep it cool if I toss another.05 at it, just not sure how safe that would be.

Wondering what to do about my ram. This stuff just doesn't seem to overclock that well, and it seems my choices are 2-2-2 with the 133 divider for 180mhz or so, or 2.5-3-3 with the 166 divider. Might do some more testing on that, but it didn't O/C well with the old winnie I had in there, and I'm not expecting any miracles out of it.

The stock heatsink is most impressive looking for a stock heatsink. Didn't even bother to try it though. Might replace to stock cooler on my g/f venice with it, might just sell it along with my old winchester.

Didn't see much of an improvement in games, but didn't test too much. Is there a utility or a way to create shortcuts/settings for programs so they always start out with affinity set to one core or the other? Going into task manager and changing it manually every time could be a real pain.

Discovered DVD shrink was in fact multithreaded, causing me much joy.

Kinda wish there was a way to independently change the multipliers on the cores, since it's always core 1 faulting out in prime 95, while core 0 goes strong.

All in all though, I'm quite pleased. $300 for something faster then an $800 4800+ is nothing to sneer at, y'know?

YES. I was using it to test out the power of teh CPU. It took about 32mins@2.7ghz to encode lord on the rings return of the king.

at 2.6ghz, it took about 36mins. Impressive

 

[KrazyCrusader]

Based on the information of this thread, I sprung for the Opteron 165 from mwave. I haven't decided what board or ram I'm going to complement it with yet but I wanted to get something!

I already also have a 7800GTX Gigabyte video card.

What motherboard should I pick up? One of the DFI SLI DR boards?

I'm upgrading from a P4 2.6 running at 3.0 in a MSI 865PE Neo2 Board.

I also already have a XP-90. What should should I throw on there? Maybe a panaflo?

Thanks for providing all this information in this thread! It's great that the community helps each other like this!

 

[Zebo]

Board-
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA21275
Mem-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227211

Best combo. Board can clock sky high.. has mem voltages to use that ram (BH-5).. Has best on-board audio.

Perfect OC would between 2600-2800Mhz and run memory 2-2-2 200-245 Mhz depending where you set divider. (166/183)

 

[KrazyCrusader]

My question with this is, isn't it true I can't go SLI and get the same performance? I have thought about going SLI in the future, but I'm guessing it's probably not worth the cost of upgrading at this point. Usually when I upgrade I do board/cpu/video/ram all at once. Thanks for replying so quickly! That's sweet!

Originally posted by: Zebo
Board-
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA21275
Mem-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227211

Best combo. Board can clock sky high.. has mem voltages to use that ram (BH-5).. Has best on-board audio.

Perfect OC would between 2600-2800Mhz and run memory 2-2-2 200-245 Mhz depending where you set divider. (166/183)

 

[Zebo]

I dont understand your question really.. If you want the SLi board then get it DFI makes one it's like $150. Alternativly wait until user results come in for this board>http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2589

But that's too rich for my blood.. $250 right now!! I say wait because opteron 165 has only 9x which means to overclock to full potential you need a board guarnteed to hit at least 300Mhz HTT/FSB. One sample, anands sample is not enough IMO.

 

[OvErHeAtInG]

My question with this is, isn't it true I can't go SLI and get the same performance? I have thought about going SLI in the future, but I'm guessing it's probably not worth the cost of upgrading at this point. Usually when I upgrade I do board/cpu/video/ram all at once. Thanks for replying so quickly! That's sweet!

Uh, if your question is, Should I get the SLI-DR, then yes, if you want to do SLI in the future then get it. Or you could wait and get one of the new "Xpert" ones. Otherwise just get the Ultra-D.

So, these chips just went OOS at mwave and monarch....

 

[KrazyCrusader]

I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to pay the extra $40 to get the SLI-DR board or if I should just say single card and go with with Ultra-D.

Usually when a video card comes out, it costs 2 times as much as the fastest previous generation card. However it's about twice as fast as the previous generation..

So if that's the case 2 Old Gen Cards cost 1/2 as much as 1 new gen card. And they perform about the same...

That's the reason i'm thinking SLI might be a nice technology for someone that is going to buy 2 top of the line cards, but for a value proposition it's not important?