Optimum Security protection for PCs

zombied

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Hi
In the present time,what are the various software you absolutely should have (minimum) and possibly should have (optimum) for security,antivirus,antimalware,etc for your PC ? I know things are a touch different from maybe two years back. If the software are free,all the better! Any better ideas? Thanks.

My List for Minimum :
Antivirus(AVG).
Antimalware(Malwarebytes free version),
Antispyware (Spybot),
Firewall (Windows for free firewall)

My list for Optimum:
Above plus Possibly
Antikeylogger (QFX Antikeylogger 3.2 free version),
Antitheft (Don't know any that is free),
Disconnect ( extensions to browsers to prevent tracking),
VPN ( Free VPN or extensions on browsers)
 

smakme7757

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For Windows:
*UAC at an optimum value
*I use MSE
*Firewall = On
*Run as a standard user

Optional
*Bitlocker on both desktops and laptops (Personal preference)

I feel that is both the minimum and optimum. Security is very elastic you should add and remove features as necessary. For the majority of people an AV and Firewall is enough and it's manageable which is important.
 

zombied

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For Windows:
*UAC at an optimum value
*I use MSE
*Firewall = On
*Run as a standard user

Optional
*Bitlocker on both desktops and laptops (Personal preference)

I feel that is both the minimum and optimum. Security is very elastic you should add and remove features as necessary. For the majority of people an AV and Firewall is enough and it's manageable which is important.

Do you basically operate on Standard account(instead of administrator) whenever online and even for any downloads or Installations?
 

seepy83

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Do you basically operate on Standard account(instead of administrator) whenever online and even for any downloads or Installations?

That's the safest way to operate. Always use a regular User and only escalate your privileges to Administrator when it's absolutely necessary.
 

Savatar

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The last time I used Spybot it was incredibly outdated. MalwareBytes actually includes anti-spyware stuff as well, so I don't see much advantage in using Spybot anymore.

Emsisoft Anti-Malware or Online Armor Free includes anti-keylogging features, but it is for advanced users because it does prompt you a lot and can break things if you don't know what you're doing.

As far as firewalls go, the built-in firewall isn't that good at all. If you really need a firewall, you should probably look into something like Comodo, ZoneAlarm, or Online Armor (all have free versions).

Firefox+NoScript, and updating your hosts file with something like HostsMan (at least the MVPS list) is a good combination for preventing ads and malicious scripts on webpages. But you also have to have limited expertise to use this, since occasionally NoScript might cause some sites to not work without temporarily allowing other javascript sources.
 
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zombied

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The last time I used Spybot it was incredibly outdated. MalwareBytes actually includes anti-spyware stuff as well, so I don't see much advantage in using Spybot anymore.

m NoScript might cause some sites to not work without temporarily allowing other javascript sources.

I agree with malwarebytes and spybot to a large extent.So, what would you recommend as the minimum and optimum for 2013? Regards
 

Savatar

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I agree with malwarebytes and spybot to a large extent.So, what would you recommend as the minimum and optimum for 2013? Regards

For the minimum level of security, I feel pretty good about the default packages that come with Windows 8 now, so keeping your system and any third-party applications up to date isn't too bad. Yes, Windows Defender has some of the lowest detection rates of any virus scanner according to third-party testing, but it is there by default and very efficient. Coupled with common-sense practices, and provided the system isn't being used as a server, that is adequate for most users and very efficient.

There really is no 'optimum' level of security as far as I'm concerned, because optimally it would be perfect and you wouldn't have to worry about anything - and no solution is. There are always tradeoffs between security and efficiency/convenience, too. It's all about how you use the system and what you want to accomplish.

Running a third-party scanner every now and then with something like MalwareBytes is desirable, but it's also not something that mom or grandma is going to do. Ideally, if you are worried about security or in a higher-risk environment like a business, you will want to upgrade your real-time protection to something with better detection rates. Nowadays, you will likely be getting other features to go along with that like dynamic link checking, a third-party firewall, and so on.

If you are looking at only free options for a more secure environment:
1. Real-time antivirus: Avira or AVG (Avira is usually ranked the highest of these), can still use an ad-hoc scanner like MalwareBytes to complement your A/V. The best detection rates come from things like Kaspersky or Bitdefender, which are not free (and there is always the possibility of a program that will conflict and cause problems).
2. Firewall: Comodo, ZoneAlarm, or Online Armor Free (Comodo is usually ranked the highest here).
3. Dynamic link checking: For firefox, something like WOT or Webutation (WOT is usually ranked higher). I don't personally use this because I find it annoying, but some people really like it.
4. Ad blocking/JS-blocking: This can prevent a lot of vulnerabilities on websites today. Adding the NoScript plugin for FireFox and disabling a bunch of ad/malware sites via your hosts file with something like HostsMan can help add another layer of protection as well (be sure to disable your DNS Client service if you do this, or else browsing will be slow on system startup).
5. Use BitLocker or TrueCrypt to encrypt your hard disk (this is more important for business laptops).
6. Use something like KeePass if you have a lot of crazy passwords you have to remember.

A lot of the times, the best security won't actually come from security programs, but will be user behavior and system usage habits... so I will add the following:

7. If you are paranoid, don't use Flash, don't use Adobe Acrobat, and don't use Java. I would personally add Silverlight to the list of programs to avoid as well, which means no Netflix, which could be a big sacrifice to some. These programs remain very common targets for exploits.
8. Keep your system and all third-party applications up to date. There seems like there will always be 'another' vulnerability in the future, so you'll need to keep patching them.
9. For the ultra-paranoid, use a Virtual Machine for all of your online activities that you can quickly trash and restore. This will usually keep your system from being infected even if the VM itself becomes infected with something. Obviously running games on a VM is not ideal though, so that's a huge sacrifice for some.

I've not heard of QFX or Disconnect, so I'll have to check those out before I can comment on them.

I hope these tips may help. Keep in mind that there is no 'magic bullet' or perfectly secure environment, though. You know what they say... 'peace and security' and then sudden destruction comes.
 

Entropism

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Avira and AVG are actually quite poor the past few years, though still better than MSE. For free AVs, I'd go with Avast or Forticlient, alongside Malwarebytes Pro. if you can't spend $10 for a lifetime license, I don't know what to tell you.

Add in a standard user account, a good router and NoScript, and you're pretty much safe as you're going to get. Anything more is past the tipping point of paranoia.
 

John Connor

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Prove to me Avira is poor. Look here http://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/avc_fdt_201303_en.pdf

I use:

Avira
Comodo Firewall
Third party firmware for router DD-WRT with NetBIOS and ActiveX blocked. I have several IPtables that enhance the firewall.
OpenDNS
Firefox with many security addons like Secretagent, Do Not Track Me, Noscript, Self Destructing Cookies, Betterprivacy, Noreferer and Disconnect.
I use Firefox in a Truecrypt container.
Spybot Search and destroy
 

John Connor

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I'm more considered on file detection results. If you look at those you wiil see Avira right up there. Can't say Avira is piss poor based on that. Plus, Avira has a solid engine where it can detect stuff that others can't and don't have definitions to. You will notice anti-virus ratings vary month to month and test by test, Aviara always ranks highest.

A computer shop down the street uses Avira on all their PCs.
 

Entropism

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I'm more considered on file detection results. If you look at those you wiil see Avira right up there. Can't say Avira is piss poor based on that. Plus, Avira has a solid engine where it can detect stuff that others can't and don't have definitions to. You will notice anti-virus ratings vary month to month and test by test, Aviara always ranks highest.

A computer shop down the street uses Avira on all their PCs.

File detection means you're already infected. Thanks, but no thanks

I never said Avira was "piss poor", I said they're not as ood as they were, and are doing poorly comparatively.

Their hueristics to catch what "others can't" are middle of the pack:
http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php?chart=chart8&year=2013&month=3&sort=1&zoom=0

Avira doesn't "always rank the highest", because they've been on the lower ends of these tests for about a year now. Should I post the definition of "always"? They ranked the highest about 3-4 years ago.

I know computer shops that use MSE and McAfee. Doesn't mean they're right. One could even argue most shops WANT you infected, so they can make money on the service calls.
 

John Connor

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All that matters is that I use Avira and bitdefender on another computer and never been infected.
 

cytg111

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I use MSE and comodo internet security .. I like comodo for its sandbox and defense+ .. for example, everytime a non approved app would like to install a system wide hook I get to choose .. allow or deny. (if its my own, allow, if not deny )
 
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