Option 1 vs Option 2, best Air vs unknown water setup

[silverphoenix]

What would give better temps option 1 or 2?

Cooling

e6600 @ 3.6ghz 1.45V

Current Load temps 38C, using hydor L35, dual heatercore with sanyo denki's pushing 80CFM each

Option 1
TR Ultra 120 Extreme + sanyo denki

Option 2
2 BIP 120.1's MCP355 using antec tricools

also what if instead of BIP's I used BI GTS's?

I know the BIP setup isn't ideal but would it still be better than the TR extreme?

-edit also I may get my hands on one BIGTX 120.1, so how about that plus say a BIP as well

 

[A5]

2 will probably be better, but a lot more work and $$$. I personally stick with air for $ reasons, but if you already have the parts, go with 2.

 

[Raider1284]

id say use that mcp355 on your dual heatercore. A dual rad will be less restrictive then two single fans rads.

Whats the BTU/hour on those heatercores though? anyone know?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: A5
2 will probably be better, but a lot more work and $$$. I personally stick with air for $ reasons, but if you already have the parts, go with 2.

+1 with this statement.

Unless your ready mentally and budget wise for water.

Skip it.

 

[silverphoenix]

I've got the budget for water, The heatercore is nice but its way to large to fit into my new case, and will remain on my test rig setup(imagine the test station). Not only is it too large but requires high pressure fans that are noisier and larger that also dont' fit with the case. If the single rads can keep the cpu under 50C that would be awesome at that OC or at best around 50C load.

 

[Marci]

e6600 @ 3.6ghz 1.45V = 131w
MCP355 = 18w Heatload max

Total heatload = 149w

http://www.thermochill.com/PAT...201cwVSFlowrateGPM.jpg - as you can see, using "silent" fans (ie: Nexus 120mm) the PA120.1 footprint rad would shift around 110w at a 10degC air to coolant differential. BUT, as you give it more heatload, the differential simply increases (ie: temps will go up). That's the best performing 120.1 rad when it comes to lownoise fans... all others of same footprint (1x120) will result in hotter temps. As you can see tho, using lownoise fans such as the Nexus, the rad is borderline able to cope. 2 of them would be fine however and give you a 220w capacity (ish)... 2x Swiftech MCR120 rads would be the next best choice (slightly less capacity), followed by 2x BIP's (again, a bit less capacity), followed by 2x BIGTS (and even less capacity).

If your fans shift more CFM than the Nexus 120mm, then work out roughly where this CFM would land on the graph based on nearest points from plotted fans... you never know. With the tricools the PA120.1 might well shift 150cfm, but personally I doubt it...

You'd need to jump up to the PA160 and a Nexus 120mm fan to shift that heatload with a single rad / single fan whilst maintaining the 10 deg C differential (ie: Your coolant ends up 10 deg hotter than room temp... if room is 22, coolant is 32). c/w of block multiplied by heatload, added to coolant temp = approximate resulting cpu temp. Space constraints would become the issue here tho.

 

[Raider1284]

Originally posted by: Marci
e6600 @ 3.6ghz 1.45V = 131w

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

 

[silverphoenix]

Originally posted by: Raider1284

Originally posted by: Marci
e6600 @ 3.6ghz 1.45V = 131w

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

well it is running 1.2ghz over stock and the voltage has also been increased.

 

[nealh]

Originally posted by: Raider1284

Originally posted by: Marci
e6600 @ 3.6ghz 1.45V = 131w

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

Not sure where he got the data..but I promise if you if Marci gives those numbers they are well thought out and accurate...he is top notch and makes the best radiators on the market bar none..period, end of story

Thermochill for the win

I have a PA160..I ran 1.5v on an e6600 L628A266 with storm rev2, x1900xt with MCW60
this e6600 idles hot..idles were 42c..loaded at 58-59c after 24hrs of Prime blend(ambient was 23-25c)
my L629F at 1.4v..idle at 32/33c but load at 50-55c with 12hrs of Prime95 blend...I have a Panaflo L1A 120x38 at 7v idle..at 12v for load

 

[JEDIYoda]

. double post

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: nealh

Originally posted by: Raider1284

Originally posted by: Marci
e6600 @ 3.6ghz 1.45V = 131w

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

Not sure where he got the data..but I promise if you if Marci gives those numbers they are well thought out and accurate...he is top notch and makes the best radiators on the market bar none..period, end of story

Thermochill for the win

I have a PA160..I ran 1.5v on an e6600 L628A266 with storm rev2, x1900xt with MCW60
this e6600 idles hot..idles were 42c..loaded at 58-59c after 24hrs of Prime blend(ambient was 23-25c)
my L629F at 1.4v..idle at 32/33c but load at 50-55c with 12hrs of Prime95 blend...I have a Panaflo L1A 120x38 at 7v idle..at 12v for load

marci 7 posts.....no real history on thse forums...
Gotta prove yourself....
You might be right but understand...sometimes post count does influence whether you trust some people.....

 

[SparkyJJO]

Check out the xtremesystems forums, he has been active there for a long time.

For clarification, he doesn't make the thermochill rads, he works for thermochill who makes the rads. Close enough though, he knows all the physics behind them.

 

[nealh]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: nealh

Originally posted by: Raider1284

Originally posted by: Marci
e6600 @ 3.6ghz 1.45V = 131w

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

Not sure where he got the data..but I promise if you if Marci gives those numbers they are well thought out and accurate...he is top notch and makes the best radiators on the market bar none..period, end of story

Thermochill for the win

I have a PA160..I ran 1.5v on an e6600 L628A266 with storm rev2, x1900xt with MCW60
this e6600 idles hot..idles were 42c..loaded at 58-59c after 24hrs of Prime blend(ambient was 23-25c)
my L629F at 1.4v..idle at 32/33c but load at 50-55c with 12hrs of Prime95 blend...I have a Panaflo L1A 120x38 at 7v idle..at 12v for load

marci 7 posts.....no real history on thse forums...
Gotta prove yourself....
You might be right but understand...sometimes post count does influence whether you trust some people.....

Hmm..you know Anandtech is not the internet universe..there are many forums much better on certain topics(with all due respect to agiomoria) such as WCing....wake up

Do you think I would stick my neck out for a "true newbie"....I have been on these forums for 6 more yrs than you JediYoda.....

SparkyJJO
Good point...I just equate Thermochill with Marci..both have awesome reputations....I should be careful and clearify things..I did not mean he physically made the radiator(I knew he worked for them and I figure based on his post at XS, is/ was a part of the development or input on the rads...I know Cathar had a big role as I understand it on developing PA series of Rad or at leat the PA160)

 

[SparkyJJO]

darn I forgot the I was just being picky for the heck of it, I knew what you meant

 

[silverphoenix]

I really do wish I could use a PA rad, but size and cost is restricting me, I only have about a month before I leave as well so the two BIP's are decently cost effective until I come up with another way of incorporating TC rads, with minimal mods to the case and keep it internal.

 

[Marci]

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

Common knowledge within w/cing scene - the maximum poss heat output of an item is equal to the maximum power consumption of an item. An E6600 at 3.6Ghz with 1.45v consumes 131w... so at full load will create 131w worth of heat at most. So to summarise the maximum possible heatload of a system, just use a power consumption calculator for each item that you're attaching a waterblock to.
EG: http://www.extreme.outervision.../psucalculatorlite.jsp

 

[drakore]

2 things...

i can't believe that marci was questioned.
i can't believe that marci now posts on anandtech

 

[Marci]

I'm just a regular guy like everyone else... nowt special about me, trust me folks... I'm here to be questioned, otherwise there ain't much point being on ANY forums...

On a side note to my post above... the reason why I bolded "at most" is because it all depends on the efficiency of the PSU and motherboard's power phases as to exactly how much wattage the CPU etc consumes and thus radiates as heat. The PSU Calcs do it off the CPU Specs, so provides the maximum figure it is likely to ever be... but the "reality" figure WILL in most cases be a shade lower... but for an approximation to ensure you have enough, doing it this way satisfies that criteria. Always cater for more heatload than you actually have basically to be on the safe side. Better to have more cooling capacity than needed than not enough cooling capacity...

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Marci

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

Common knowledge within w/cing scene - the maximum poss heat output of an item is equal to the maximum power consumption of an item. An E6600 at 3.6Ghz with 1.45v consumes 131w... so at full load will create 131w worth of heat at most. So to summarise the maximum possible heatload of a system, just use a power consumption calculator for each item that you're attaching a waterblock to.
EG: http://www.extreme.outervision.../psucalculatorlite.jsp

omg marci is that calculator correct???

Recommended PSU Wattage: 1517W!?!?!?!? @ 100% peak?

 

[nealh]

Originally posted by: drakore
2 things...

i can't believe that marci was questioned.
i can't believe that marci now posts on anandtech

exactly

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Marci

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

Common knowledge within w/cing scene - the maximum poss heat output of an item is equal to the maximum power consumption of an item. An E6600 at 3.6Ghz with 1.45v consumes 131w... so at full load will create 131w worth of heat at most. So to summarise the maximum possible heatload of a system, just use a power consumption calculator for each item that you're attaching a waterblock to.
EG: http://www.extreme.outervision.../psucalculatorlite.jsp

omg marci is that calculator correct???

Recommended PSU Wattage: 1517W!?!?!?!? @ 100% peak?

What did you put in there, 20% cap aging and 20% surge comp and multiple PCIe cards?

OK but seriously, what were your settings in there?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Marci

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

Common knowledge within w/cing scene - the maximum poss heat output of an item is equal to the maximum power consumption of an item. An E6600 at 3.6Ghz with 1.45v consumes 131w... so at full load will create 131w worth of heat at most. So to summarise the maximum possible heatload of a system, just use a power consumption calculator for each item that you're attaching a waterblock to.
EG: http://www.extreme.outervision.../psucalculatorlite.jsp

omg marci is that calculator correct???

Recommended PSU Wattage: 1517W!?!?!?!? @ 100% peak?

What did you put in there, 20% cap aging and 20% surge comp and multiple PCIe cards?

OK but seriously, what were your settings in there?

4 raptors.
Q6600 @ 3.6 @ 1.50V
2 7900GTX <--- there overvolted to those specs
2 ram.

11 fans
1 fan controler
1 relay.
2 opticals
3 usb

Total comes out to 1517W

 

[nealh]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Marci

Where did you get this info from? Anyone know of a good site that shows heatoutput of common components at stock and when overclocked? An e6600 really runs at 131W when overclocked? almost doubles its heat output?! wow thats crazy

Common knowledge within w/cing scene - the maximum poss heat output of an item is equal to the maximum power consumption of an item. An E6600 at 3.6Ghz with 1.45v consumes 131w... so at full load will create 131w worth of heat at most. So to summarise the maximum possible heatload of a system, just use a power consumption calculator for each item that you're attaching a waterblock to.
EG: http://www.extreme.outervision.../psucalculatorlite.jsp

omg marci is that calculator correct???

Recommended PSU Wattage: 1517W!?!?!?!? @ 100% peak?

What did you put in there, 20% cap aging and 20% surge comp and multiple PCIe cards?

OK but seriously, what were your settings in there?

4 raptors.
Q6600 @ 3.6 @ 1.50V
2 7900GTX <--- there overvolted to those specs
2 ram.

11 fans
1 fan controler
1 relay.
2 opticals
3 usb

Total comes out to 1517W

Huh?? thats 1500W????

 

[silverphoenix]

I can see maybe overvolted 2x 7900GX2's pushing W that high.

anyways I bought the two BIP's we'll see how the do, They are cheap and they fit, I at least got a better pump and bought the petra DDC pump as well.

 

[Marci]

Go to the PSU Calc link... scroll down to the CPU: drop down box, choose your CPU. For instance, choose an E6800. Now, look down a few boxes, you'll see a tick box to "overclock my cpu!"

Tick it. For stock wattage, type 2930 into the OVERCLOCKED CPU Speed box, and 1.25 into the vcore. Hit the "Overclock" button, and to the right it tells you the wattage.

Change overclocked speed and overclocked vcore, hit "overclock" again, tells you your overclocked wattage.

ONLY SELECT THE ITEMS YOU'RE ATTACHING BLOCKS TO. You want heatload applied to cooling system, not the entire PC itself... so, you select your CPU, and overclock settings, and your GPUs, and your pump... that's it. Don't change anything else. You'll notice it starts off with 38w by default, so after you hit "calculate" subtract 38w off the answer to get the heatload of the actual items in question.