Get an X2 4200 then @ 2.2GHz. It's slightly more than the 165, but you get a much higher multiplier.Originally posted by: jayanath
yeah i was considerin the 165 what bothers me is its 1.8ghz stock speeds
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Not even close, Opty 165. Even at 2.5 it will best a PentiumD@4.2, and you need phase change to get that, where the Opty will do 2.5(alomost guaranteed) on stock air cooling, and may go as high as 3.0 on air (not typical)
Originally posted by: Faikius
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Not even close, Opty 165. Even at 2.5 it will best a PentiumD@4.2, and you need phase change to get that, where the Opty will do 2.5(alomost guaranteed) on stock air cooling, and may go as high as 3.0 on air (not typical)
Wow...Just wow...
Where to begin pointing out your ignorance...
1) It takes an AMD at 2.6-7Ghz to match a P4 at 4.2Ghz
2) 4.2Ghz DOES NOT require phase change. Trust me on this
I've been running at 4.2 for three months now...
Originally posted by: Faikius
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Not even close, Opty 165. Even at 2.5 it will best a PentiumD@4.2, and you need phase change to get that, where the Opty will do 2.5(alomost guaranteed) on stock air cooling, and may go as high as 3.0 on air (not typical)
Wow...Just wow...
Where to begin pointing out your ignorance...
1) It takes an AMD at 2.6-7Ghz to match a P4 at 4.2Ghz
2) 4.2Ghz DOES NOT require phase change. Trust me on this
I've been running at 4.2 for three months now...
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: Faikius
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Not even close, Opty 165. Even at 2.5 it will best a PentiumD@4.2, and you need phase change to get that, where the Opty will do 2.5(alomost guaranteed) on stock air cooling, and may go as high as 3.0 on air (not typical)
Wow...Just wow...
Where to begin pointing out your ignorance...
1) It takes an AMD at 2.6-7Ghz to match a P4 at 4.2Ghz
2) 4.2Ghz DOES NOT require phase change. Trust me on this
I've been running at 4.2 for three months now...
Wow ! First, I have both and have benchmarked them. It depends on what you are running but my statement is true, and I posted the benchmarks back when I got the 820D. On the phase change, I was talking 8xx, not 9xx. If you know anyone that has a 8xx (805 or 820 specifically) that runs 4.2 on any kind of air, please post link.
As to telling me I am ignorant, since I own them and know of what I speak, and you don;t, well figure it out, and thanks for the insults. I got banned for that, but since I don;t PM a mod every time some ignoramus posts, I will just end this here.....
Originally posted by: Faikius
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: Faikius
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Not even close, Opty 165. Even at 2.5 it will best a PentiumD@4.2, and you need phase change to get that, where the Opty will do 2.5(alomost guaranteed) on stock air cooling, and may go as high as 3.0 on air (not typical)
Wow...Just wow...
Where to begin pointing out your ignorance...
1) It takes an AMD at 2.6-7Ghz to match a P4 at 4.2Ghz
2) 4.2Ghz DOES NOT require phase change. Trust me on this
I've been running at 4.2 for three months now...
Wow ! First, I have both and have benchmarked them. It depends on what you are running but my statement is true, and I posted the benchmarks back when I got the 820D. On the phase change, I was talking 8xx, not 9xx. If you know anyone that has a 8xx (805 or 820 specifically) that runs 4.2 on any kind of air, please post link.
As to telling me I am ignorant, since I own them and know of what I speak, and you don;t, well figure it out, and thanks for the insults. I got banned for that, but since I don;t PM a mod every time some ignoramus posts, I will just end this here.....
You've benchmarked a 920 at 4.2Ghz? Nope. I rememeber your threads.
a) You had an 820, not a 920. The processors perform differently at the same speed due to cache size differences.
b) From what I remember of your posts you got your 820 nowhere near 4.2Ghz so your comparisons were nothing more than extrapolation.
c) On the phase change, your fault for not specifying. You gave the impression that it takes phase change to get an Intel D up to 4.2. NOT the case.
Originally posted by: stevty2889
I have a 920, 805, and X2, and had an 830 as well...his description is pretty accurate, 4.2ghz will equal around a 2.6ghz X2. There will be some programs where the Pentium-D will pull ahead before that, but for the most part 4.2ghz is needed to match or pull ahead in a majority of programs. Most programs are not very cache dependant either, so the cache differance between the 820 and 920 means very little in a majority of cases. My 805 and 920 compare very similarly at 3.7ghz, despite the cahce differance, and FSB differance. The main differance I see between the 8xx and 9xx series is the amount of heat generated, the 8xx series runs a lot warmer.
Originally posted by: Faikius
Originally posted by: stevty2889
I have a 920, 805, and X2, and had an 830 as well...his description is pretty accurate, 4.2ghz will equal around a 2.6ghz X2. There will be some programs where the Pentium-D will pull ahead before that, but for the most part 4.2ghz is needed to match or pull ahead in a majority of programs. Most programs are not very cache dependant either, so the cache differance between the 820 and 920 means very little in a majority of cases. My 805 and 920 compare very similarly at 3.7ghz, despite the cahce differance, and FSB differance. The main differance I see between the 8xx and 9xx series is the amount of heat generated, the 8xx series runs a lot warmer.
My only points, besides the phase change misinformation, were:
1) The people making the comparison between their AMD's at 2.6 and the Intel D' at 4.2 have not actually gotten their Intel's to 4.2, or in Marks's case were using a 820 to extrapolate 920 performance. Nobody that I've seen has been able to do an apples to apples comparison.
2) Cache size difference does make a substantial diference in the only apps I care about; Games. The D920's outperform their 820 counterparts at the same clock speed consistently.
Originally posted by: Faikius
Originally posted by: stevty2889
I have a 920, 805, and X2, and had an 830 as well...his description is pretty accurate, 4.2ghz will equal around a 2.6ghz X2. There will be some programs where the Pentium-D will pull ahead before that, but for the most part 4.2ghz is needed to match or pull ahead in a majority of programs. Most programs are not very cache dependant either, so the cache differance between the 820 and 920 means very little in a majority of cases. My 805 and 920 compare very similarly at 3.7ghz, despite the cahce differance, and FSB differance. The main differance I see between the 8xx and 9xx series is the amount of heat generated, the 8xx series runs a lot warmer.
My only points, besides the phase change misinformation, were:
1) The people making the comparison between their AMD's at 2.6 and the Intel D' at 4.2 have not actually gotten their Intel's to 4.2, or in Marks's case were using a 820 to extrapolate 920 performance. Nobody that I've seen has been able to do an apples to apples comparison.
2) Cache size difference does make a substantial diference in the only apps I care about; Games. The D920's outperform their 820 counterparts at the same clock speed consistently.