Opty 165 temp help!

[thanatos355]

I finally ordered an opty 165 a few weeks ago. At the same time my mom decided she wanted one too. So I got two CCBBE 0616xpmw's in the mail. I opened my case up, installed this "beast", and low and behold I had the worst stock temps I'd ever seen! Almost 50° at idle! Needless to say I reset the hsf (several times), switched out processors, and looked around online to find that they had an ihs issue. So I rma'd both chips and thought the matter would be settled. Well, the day before yesterday, the ups guy delivered the two replacement procs and I was eager to dig in. I received one CCBBE 0610dpmw and one CCBBE 0615epmw two steppings that are supposed to be the cream of the crop! So I tore down my rig again and installed the 0610. Guess what? It was running hot too! In the low 40s at idle and shutting down after a few minutes under load. So I installed the 0615 same thing. I reset both of them 3-4 times each so it's not that. I have 6 80mm case fans running full tilt, so there's plenty of air getting to them. I though maybe it was the rough surface of the stock hsf, so I dug out my xp90 and installed it. the temps are slightly better with an 80mm fan sitting on top of it running full speed, but only a couple of degrees and it still shuts down after less than an hour under load. I've installed the amd optimizer and the ms fix, and I've done everything else I can think of. I am pulling my hair out here guys. I have two of the best steppings amd has made and I can't even run them at stock speeds! For the love of god HELP! :brokenheart:

 

[RallyMaster]

It's a dual core you fool. Low 40s is a norm. What kind of case do you have anyway? Good cooling all around? Maybe it's time to replace the stock heatsink with something like....a Freezer 64 Pro?

And jeez, reinstall Windows with the proper CPU driver...

EDIT: Ok, after reading your entire post, I've concluded that everything is NORMAL. Stop worrying about it. Have your motherboard shut down after the core reaches 55C or so. Otherwise, stop worrying.

 

[thanatos355]

Low 40s AT IDLE is NOT in any way shape or form normal for these! Them shutting down after a few minutes of load because of heat is NOT NORMAL. I'm thinking you didn't even read my post, man. I have used the stock hsf and an xp90! The case is the one listed in my sig. Everything is the same as in my sig except for the processor(s) that I'm trying to get running correctly.

 

[zephyrprime]

Use more heatsink grease. What kind of board are you using?

 

[thanatos355]

I've tried both alot and very little thermal compound on both the stock hsf and the xp90. Running the dfi nf4 ultra-d that's in my sig. The thing that's just driving me nuts is that they have all ran like this straight out of the box!

 

[Markfw]

whats load temp with an XP90 ? , and is this at stock ? verify with cpuz. Screenshot of temp and cpuz ?

 

[thanatos355]

Load temp with the xp90 is around 51°. Yes, it is at stock speed and vcore, both verified with cpuz. With the xp90, I ran orthos for just under an hour when my system locked up.

 

[thanatos355]

Screenshot.

I would have posted it sooner, but the damn thing just locked up on me at idle!

 

[Markfw]

well, first, you are using core temp, and my 4400 @2.2 (stock) runs 58c using coretemp. So those are normal. What NOT normal is your lockups. Have you done a scratch install ? What was in there before ? What memory ?

 

[thanatos355]

Temps are the same with everest. A fresh install was the first thing I did. So there wouldn't be any os issues. The winnie 3000+ that's in my sig was there before and I'm using the gskill ram that's in my sig as well. Everything from my sig is the same except the proc.

 

[Markfw]

well, thatsa very odd..... Maybe for some reason, the new proc doesn;t like your ram. Try some other ram first, just for grins , even one stick. Or try only one stick of what you have, if not stable, try the other. Or bad ram altogether, or PSU ??????? At this point, I would look to those instead of the proc, but its definitely NOT temps. Mine is stable 24/7@ 100% load@58c (per core temp)

 

[thanatos355]

I have my mom's comp sitting in the corner right now. Everything in her system is different, except she has a newer ultra-d.

I'm thinking it's the ihs...again, but what are the odds? Four different 165s all with badly set ihs? Two of them with steppings that no one has had any problems with? That just doesn't seem possible.

 

[KingofFah]

Well the temps don't look bad. I've got a G-Power on my poor stepping and week CCBWE 0604TPMW opteron 165. My temps coretemp temps at idle at stock vcore are around 29-30c, and under load about 41C for one and 45C for the other. At 1.425 and 2.5ghz, it's more like 34/36 idle and 50/57 load. But the instability doesn't sound too good. Your old ones that you returned were probably fine.

As said above, have you done a fresh install? Is the hardware the same as you used to use with your winchester in your sig? If so, are you overclocking the RAM more now than you did before?

You have an athena power supply? Maybe someone else knows, but is that a decent PSU? Doing some googling leads me to believe they might be shoddy.

 

[thanatos355]

The temps would be fine if I wasn't running at stock speed and vcore this whole time!

Yes, I did a fresh install of xp pro when I installed the dual cores.

Nothing in my rig, or my mom's system is running at anything other than bone stock speeds.

Both systems are behaving identically.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: thanatos355
Low 40s AT IDLE is NOT in any way shape or form normal for these! Them shutting down after a few minutes of load because of heat is NOT NORMAL. I'm thinking you didn't even read my post, man. I have used the stock hsf and an xp90! The case is the one listed in my sig. Everything is the same as in my sig except for the processor(s) that I'm trying to get running correctly.

Low 40s is fine...shutdown is an issue unrelated to heat output.

my X2 3800+ was once running at 70c and didn't shut off. I fixed that.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: thanatos355
The temps would be fine if I wasn't running at stock speed and vcore this whole time!

Yes, I did a fresh install of xp pro when I installed the dual cores.

Nothing in my rig, or my mom's system is running at anything other than bone stock speeds.

Both systems are behaving identically.

You have pretty low end PSUs (wattage means nothing) and that could attribute to something.

Try setting everything manually...everything from memory timings to HTT multiplyer, to CPU miltiplyer to FSB.

 

[thanatos355]

Explain the same behavior in the other system with a AeroCool ZERODBA-S620?

I've already tried setting everything manually, just like the dfi nf4 boards like.

I'm not new to computers, overclocking, or any of this, just dualcores. And right now I am damn close to just putting the winnie back in and getting my money back on these 165s.

 

[KingofFah]

Well, I just don't think it is the processor. Do you have another power suppy that you can use? Other than that raidmax and athena?

 

[thanatos355]

I haven't tried a raidmax psu. I've used my Athena and my mom's system which has an aerocool zerodb 620.

Sorry if I seem kinda....grumpy guys, I've been trying to track this down for a couple of days and it's driving me nuts. I really do appreciate all the suggestions, even if I've already tried them.

 

[Markfw]

AeroCool ZERODBA-S620?, Is that a PSU ? Never heard of them..... Could be PSU, as you are drawing more power than single core.

Try it with a Fortron or an Antec...

 

[thanatos355]

Yes, it's a really nice psu.


The absolute only thing that's changed is the cpu. I went from my 3000+ @2.4ghz @ 1.5v (for complete stability) to these 165s @ 1.8ghz @ 1.3v.

 

[KingofFah]

I didn't see that. Well, you don't know anyone with a 939 system that is decent, do you? If so, see if you can pop em in there for a sec and see if you get the same result.

I don't know what else to think of, since just googling around that aerocool seems to be fine.

 

[thanatos355]

Up till these 165s, my rig and the one I built for my mom have been 100% rock solid. We live in rural Ok, we're probably the only people in the state that knows what a "939" is.

 

[KingofFah]

Hmm, well did you try putting a little more volts on the CPU? I think that might void warranty, though. And these have been tried in two different mobos? I honeslty think the first pair you got were fine. I'd be willing to test them for you, lol, because I bet they are fine and there is just something we are overlooking.

What bios version do you have of the ultra-d?

 

[thanatos355]

Yes, two different mobos.

I'm using the last official bios from dfi.

My biggest thing is how these optys are acting straight out of the box. AMD and newegg would not be shipping these things if they weren't going to run right straight from the box.